Haru Glory vs Escanor

[AidenBrooks999]

EoS Haru



VS

Daytime Escanor

Escanor is a his peak w/o time limit and has Rhitta. Fight Takes places in the GMG Arena

Who Wins and Why?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Bump.

 

[GreatestSin]

For now i take haru...

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Fir now i take haru...

Any reasons

 

[GreatestSin]

-Form 4 - Runesave: A unique jagged sword which cannot cut anything physical but can cut things without a tangible form like lightning, fire, water or smoke. It can also be used to seal magic.

and this:

Attack Potency: Building level (Able to destroy buildings with explosion) | City level+ | At least Island level (is as strong as Endless infused Lucia). Can seal attacks up to Planetary level with Runesave (Sealed Aetherio which was stated to destroy the planet )

he will seal escanors magic and than kill him via different versions of the ten commandments

 

[Delta3000]

can runesave block physical attacks? if not Ecscanor just cuts Haru appart with ritta as soon as he switches to it.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Runesave can't block physicals.

Going with Haru via Runesave that Escanor has no knowledge of, and thus, won't know to counter instead of dodge it.

 

[Edwellken]

Runesave can't block physicals.
Going with Haru via Runesave that Escanor has no knowledge of, and thus, won't know to counter instead of dodge it.

As if Escanor would feel the need to dodge. He'll likely stand there and take the attack due to his prideful nature. Escanor for reasons above.

 

[GreatestSin]

^if escanor doesnt dodge he will get his powers sealed which will turn him into his wimpy self, haru will one-shot in that case...

 

[Edwellken]

^if escanor doesnt dodge he will get his powers sealed which will turn him into his wimpy self, haru will one-shot in that case...

For real? Lol damn I didn't think of it that way. In that case I'm changing my vote to Haru, easily.

 

[Delta3000]

actually escanor would dodge due to his combat exp and willingness to blitz; he would recognise Haru was a threat and not take chances.

 

[Edwellken]

I don't think so. He didn't do so in the case of Galan or Estarossa in any case.

(Galan was kind of a special case though)

 

[Delta3000]

galan was no threat to him and when in the fight did he take chances Estarossa?

 

[Edwellken]

It's not that he "takes chances" per say, rather it's that he rarely (if ever) takes his opponents seriously. In Estarossa's case, Escanor had his guard down and let Estarossa get the first hit. Thatt'll most likely also be the case here since they aren't bloodlusted.

 

[Delta3000]

fair point. would Haru go for runesave straight away?

 

[BlackDaryl]

fair point. would Haru go for runesave straight away?

Unless he has full intel, then no, he would first try to fight him normally. Runesave is used after several exchanges.

However, even without Runesave, Haru has a MASSIVE amount of endurance. Every single time he fights, he has severe wounds all over his body (at some point, Hardner brought back all the pain he ever felt since he was born and he still stands and fight after receiving it). At final battle, he has numerous slash wounds, a hole in his stomach, and tanked multiple Island level explosions from Endless-infused Lucia but they still didn't phase him.

Also, Haru excelled in versatility. TCM has 10 different forms that each holds a different ability and he can combine them to create an upgraded version of those combined abilities. Escanor is powerful, but so far raw power is all that he got going for him.

 

[Delta3000]

@ blackdaryl

Granted Haru is more versatile, but:1) Haru died in the final battle and endurance means nothing if your opponent has an axe that can split you in half in a single solid hit.

2) looking at the tiering Escanor is stronger than Lucia.

3) Escanor can spam cruel sun (an island level attack) and power it up with pride flare.

4) peak Escanor blitzed Estarossa then one shoted him and Zeldris (estarossa and Zeldris are both island level).

5) Escanor has a lot more combat experience, you said it yourself that Haru gets sevearly wounded in every fight.

 

[Edwellken]

Hmm this is true. If Haru doesn't use Runesave, Escanor most certainly seems to overwhelm him with experience and brute force. However Haru only needs to hit him once with Runesave and it'll be over then and there (though this won't be at all easy.)

It's 50/50 for me.

 

[Delta3000]

all in all, i think this match is inconclusive because Haru can only win if he lands Runesave but if he can't Escanor will make short work of him.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Even with that Escanor is still absurdly powerful though in terms of physicality.

Anyway as much as I love Haru, PRAISE THE SUN!!!

 

[BlackDaryl]

@ blackdaryl
Granted Haru is more versatile, but:1) Haru died in the final battle and endurance means nothing if your opponent has an axe that can split you in half in a single solid hit.

2) looking at the tiering Escanor is stronger than Lucia.

3) Escanor can spam cruel sun (an island level attack) and power it up with pride flare.

4) peak Escanor blitzed Estarossa then one shoted him and Zeldris (estarossa and Zeldris are both island level).

5) Escanor has a lot more combat experience, you said it yourself that Haru gets sevearly wounded in every fight.

1) Wait, what? Haru didn't die in the final battle, he was about to but Star Vestiges protected him. And he was only in danger because he was about to get hit with Etherion aka a planet busting magic. Escanor too would've perish if he got hit with one.

2) They're both tier 6-C. Lucia is much more versatile, however. Can Escanor seals a planet busting ability? Cause Haru and Lucia can, and not just that but any non-physical attacks below planet level can be rendered useless when slashed with Runesave.

3) Same with Haru. His explosions are also island level, and he can combine it with other abilities to create multiple and concentrated explosions at once. Cruel Sun can be dispelled with Runesave.

4) Estarossa wasn't blitzed... he was stunned upon looking at Escanor's power (much like Galan). Zeldris was able to get behind Estarossa when Cruel Sun was in mid-flight.

5) Arguable, we don't know how much Escanor have fought in his life. If anything, he would have much lower combat experience since he's powerful enough to dispatch most of his enemies handily. What does 'getting severely wounded in every fight' has anything to do with combat experience? Haru is the MC, his power scales along with the story and he fights more powerful opponents as he progresses, most of whom are stronger than the him at the time. Escanor was able to dispatch his enemies with ease whereas Haru has to challenge his limits everytime he fights.

Oh and Haru has Rave of Knowledge, which gives him warrior skills and techniques, as well as the Rave of Combat, which further enhances his physical attributes. That's one of the reasons how Haru managed to hold his own and even defeats people with veteran combat experiences when he was just an ordinary countryside kid (aside from his battle instincts, talent and the ten commandments ofc). It also provides him with the experience that past-rave master has with their abilities.

 

[Delta3000]

@ blackdaryl
Granted Haru is more versatile, but:1) Haru died in the final battle and endurance means nothing if your opponent has an axe that can split you in half in a single solid hit.

2) looking at the tiering Escanor is stronger than Lucia.

3) Escanor can spam cruel sun (an island level attack) and power it up with pride flare.

4) peak Escanor blitzed Estarossa then one shoted him and Zeldris (estarossa and Zeldris are both island level).

5) Escanor has a lot more combat experience, you said it yourself that Haru gets sevearly wounded in every fight.

1) Wait, what? Haru didn't die in the final battle, he was about to but Star Vestiges protected him. And he was only in danger because he was about to get hit with Etherion aka a planet busting magic. Escanor too would've perish if he got hit with one.
2) They're both tier 6-C. Lucia is much more versatile, however. Can Escanor seals a planet busting ability? Cause Haru and Lucia can, and not just that but any non-physical attacks below planet level can be rendered useless when slashed with Runesave.

3) Same with Haru. His explosions are also island level, and he can combine it with other abilities to create multiple and concentrated explosions at once. Cruel Sun can be dispelled with Runesave.

4) Estarossa wasn't blitzed... he was stunned upon looking at Escanor's power (much like Galan). Zeldris was able to get behind Estarossa when Cruel Sun was in mid-flight.

5) Arguable, we don't know how much Escanor have fought in his life. If anything, he would have much lower combat experience since he's powerful enough to dispatch most of his enemies handily. What does 'getting severely wounded in every fight' has anything to do with combat experience? Haru is the MC, his power scales along with the story and he fights more powerful opponents as he progresses, most of whom are stronger than the him at the time. Escanor was able to dispatch his enemies with ease whereas Haru has to challenge his limits everytime he fights.

Oh and Haru has Rave of Knowledge, which gives him warrior skills and techniques, as well as the Rave of Combat, which further enhances his physical attributes. That's one of the reasons how Haru managed to hold his own and even defeats people with veteran combat experiences when he was just an ordinary countryside kid (aside from his battle instincts, talent and the ten commandments ofc). It also provides him with the experience that past-rave master has with their abilities.

1) fair point

2) Lucia is basically evil Haru, meaning Escanor is stronger than both of them eventhough they are more versatile. The sealing only works if runesave connects and Escanor is capable of doging for hours on end if need be, even in night form, as seen in vampires of edinburgh

3) Escanor had one of his own island level physical attacks reflected back at him at double power and it didn't impead him, so his durability is easily enough to tank any thing Haru can throw at him.

4) Estarossa was stunned after being slashed across the chest by an attack that was to fast for him to react to, so yes he was blitzed. Zeldris was flying at the time and/or Zeldris is faster than the other TC's. Sunshine also boosts physical stats as well so even if he didn't blitz estarossa he would have been able to evenualy.

5) Escanor was an active duty holy knight for at least 6 years (the time between vamps of edinburgh and the sins being framed). In addition he was run out of his homeland as a child and was then picked up by the sins after several years of traveling so he would have mastered his powers and learned how to defend himself in that time. Having combat experince means you know when and how to react to a situation + you have practice in doing so; getting injured means you didn't react the right way or at the wrong time, something an experienced combatant would be able to avoid. As for Escanor stomping his enemies, due to the nature of sunshine, he can only do that between particular times, as such he would have to be aware of when (like with Galan and the vamp king). Even with the raves of knowlage and combat Haru still gets the crap kicked out of him by more experinced fighters in his verse, so they are kinda irrelevent here.

 

[BlackDaryl]

1) fair point

2) Lucia is basically evil Haru, meaning Escanor is stronger than both of them eventhough they are more versatile. The sealing only works if runesave connects and Escanor is capable of doging for hours on end if need be, even in night form, as seen in vampires of edinburgh

3) Escanor had one of his own island level physical attacks reflected back at him at double power and it didn't impead him, so his durability is easily enough to tank any thing Haru can throw at him.

4) Estarossa was stunned after being slashed across the chest by an attack that was to fast for him to react to, so yes he was blitzed. Zeldris was flying at the time and/or Zeldris is faster than the other TC's. Sunshine also boosts physical stats as well so even if he didn't blitz estarossa he would have been able to evenualy.

5) Escanor was an active duty holy knight for at least 6 years (the time between vamps of edinburgh and the sins being framed). In addition he was run out of his homeland as a child and was then picked up by the sins after several years of traveling so he would have mastered his powers and learned how to defend himself in that time. Having combat experince means you know when and how to react to a situation + you have practice in doing so; getting injured means you didn't react the right way or at the wrong time, something an experienced combatant would be able to avoid. As for Escanor stomping his enemies, due to the nature of sunshine, he can only do that between particular times, as such he would have to be aware of when (like with Galan and the vamp king). Even with the raves of knowlage and combat Haru still gets the crap kicked out of him by more experinced fighters in his verse, so they are kinda irrelevent here.

2) Lucia actually much more powerful than Haru. They win because of PIS, Lucia has Endless (who's another planet buster with Overdrive) and his Mother Dark Brings (MDB), but he couldn't use them because they're charging Overdrive. MDB has plenty of broken abilities that you can see in his profile and being unable to use them crippled him a lot in the final battle.

Also, Runesave doesn't need to connect, Lucia use his Runesave from a distance to seal Haru's Runesave[1] [2]

3) Yes but so does Haru, though he never got his attacks reflected, he endured multiple attacks that are similar to his own. Both of them have similar durability but Haru can render Escanor's non-physical attacks useless while the same can't be said to Escanor.

4) Oh that, yea he did blitzed Estarossa then. I thought you meant when he got hit with Cruel Sun. Zeldris was flying while Cruel Sun was also flying so it's shown that he actually get behind Estarossa faster.

5) What I meant was, sustaining severe injuries doesn't mean he's inexperienced. Like I said, Haru starts off weak as the MC and his power grows as the series progressed. EoS Haru would oneshot everyone he fights that gave him those severe wounds except his final battle opponents. Also, if you read his profile about Rave of Truth, then you'll see that at first the Rave didn't acknowledge him as the second Rave Master so he has to fight Shiba the first Rave Master. Shiba drank a potion that turned him at his prime age and both of them fights. This is Shiba who went through 50 years of battle experience and ended the first war that destroys 1/5th of the world. Haru beat him.

Injuries =/= inexperienced, or are you saying that Goku is also inexperienced because he sustained many injuries everytime he fights?

 

[Delta3000]

By connect i mean the sealing attack striking it's target, i wasn't refering to it's range.

2) interesting but it doesn't change Haru's stats.

3) true then durability isn't much of a factor in this fight. if haru has to use runesave to negate escanor's magic and runesave can't block physical attacks haru is forced to choose between getting roasted or chopped up.

5) Granted getting injured doesn't nessacerily mean you are inexperienced, but it is a factor; the other main factor is the power and exp of the opponent, all of haru and goku's opponents have been a bit stronger and more experienced (in most cases).

 

[BlackDaryl]

2) Wasn't referring to Haru, it was more about Lucia.

3) But Escanor has to choose whether he wanna use his normal attack or magic. Cruel Sun is obviously much stronger and that's what Haru gotta watch out for instead of his normal attack that even Estarossa tanked. If Escanor used Cruel Sun then Haru will use Runesave, if he use a normal attack then Haru can just tank that and use Runesave to slash Escanor instead.

4) Exactly, it has too many variables such as the opponents. Not to mention every opponents Haru fought has some insane hax that enables them to ignore conventional damage. It also doesn't help when they meet beings who can **** with time and space as they please multiple times along their journey.

 

[Delta3000]

Hhm escanor is definatly the physicaly superiour of the two by sheer size and muscle mass i mean he's a 9 ft (if not more) giant of pure muscle to Haru's 510 skinny late teen body so i wouldn't say his physical strikes are weaker than his magic (he only used magic against Estarossa due to Estarossa's full counter). There is also the fact that Escanor passively radiates enough heat to melt steel (not much of a factor against someone of similar durability, but still). there is also the possibility of a disarm, if Haru were disarmed he would be stomped since he has only got his physicality without TC; escanor on the otherhand has his superiour physicality and magic when disarmed.

Having said all that i think this match is inconclusive for the reasons i stated way above.

 

[BlackDaryl]

Size and muscle means little in fiction. Zeno Zoldyck is stronger than the obviously more muscular Silva. Ragna Bloodedge and Arcueid Brunestud are also as skinny as Haru (or even skinnier) but either of them can beat both Haru and Escanor alone. And don't even get me started on those lolis who can cause a big bang when they punch.

But his physical strike was tanked by Estarossa, so it shows that it's actually weaker than his magical ones.

To disarm Haru, he needs to make contact obviously and that's the chance for Haru to use Runesave. And Haru was never disarmed by his enemy, not even when his whole body was roasted and is melting and many of his bones broken, he's still holding his sword and fight.

 

[Delta3000]

That's because fictional verses have the whole, having more of the fictional energy makes you stronger than someone with less regardless of other factors thing.

That strike wasn't intended to kill/cause serious damage (still cut him like he was made of butter though), Escanor was showing off.

Blocking a physical attack with a weapon that cannot block a phsical attack is ******** and even if escanor's magic is sealed, if Haru has rhitta buried in his skull, that's a win for escanor.

 

[BlackDaryl]

Yes and we don't know who has more energy between them. Haru is powered by Rave while Escanor is powered by Sunshine. The only thing we know is that both are Island level.

Huh? How do you even know that? There was no indication that Escanor was showing off, he was angry at the time and it makes more sense that he puts all of his power on that strike rather than holding back. For all I know, Haru was holding back in his battle with Lucia because for one, Haru truly didn't wish to kill him (he even extended his hand to try and save him when he turned to dust and lamented his death).

Seriously? Haru wouldn't retardedly leave him completely defenseless. He can just sacrifice an arm while his other arm slashes Runesave.

 

[Delta3000]

True.

If you re-read the fight you will learn that as soon as it went 1/2 hour to noon, when his stats exeded Estarossa's he said things like who decides which of us is stronger, me escanor burned away blackout and slashed estarossa's chest to prove he was stronger magicaly and physicaly ie every indication he was showing off. Escanor pitied Estarossa, which is why he could avoid the effect of Estarossa's commandment, said commandment renders anyone who feels anger towards Estarossa unable to fight.

and Haru bleeds to death (unless he has Plue with him) while escanor runs away/evades using his speed which is still MH even in nighttime form.

 

[BlackDaryl]

He said that because he was addressing Estarossa's words that he can't touch him with his physical attacks, not showing off at all. Seriously, if this is considered holding back, then Haru is more so considering his typical shounen bullshit behaviour that doesn't wish to kill his enemies throughout his journey (even angry at Lucia when he killed Hardner, the guy who nearly destroy the demon world for bringing Endless).

Ah, I forgot about Estarossa's commandment. Escanor did sound pretty annoyed at least.

What? Bleeds to death how? It's not like Escanor can easily injure Haru here especially when he himself wouldn't try to dodge Haru's attacks and rather try to meet his blow. And Haru himself was once received many sword wounds from a cursed sword that won't heal and will bleeds again in increasing pain until it peaks at midnight, he endured it for days and still manage to fight again against the one who caused it despite sustaining those injuries.

 

[Delta3000]

Estarossa backed up his words with actions.

You said Haru would sacrifice an arm. That is a weirdly convenient feat, reeks of Hiro Mashima's infamous plot armour/plot abilities that aren't ever repeated or explained #becauseshe'sErza.

You know this conversation is literaly half the thread; we should probably wrap this up sometime soon.

 

[BlackDaryl]

Ok, so what my main point in the first place is that Haru has means to render Escanor's magical attacks useless while the same can't be said to Escanor. It doesn't help that Escanor prefers to directly meets his opponent's attacks rather than dodging (the only time Escanor ever dodge was an attack from Gowther but that's because he knows Gowther's abilities, not to mention he was at his weakest at the time and without Rhitta).

 

[Delta3000]

This is why i think this match is inconclusive, because Haru can seal Escanor and win that way but if he fails to do so Escanor will kill him eventualy given he can stomp other island level characters and Haru doesn't have his plot armour here. If Escanor were to fight other characters with anti-magic abilities like Melodias and Merlin it might shed some light on how this fight would play out.

 

[BlackDaryl]

And the possibilities of Escanor getting sealed is simply much higher due to the reasons that have been stated aka Escanor's magical attacks are useless and he needs to go melee in which he will fall prey to Runesave, not to mention Escanor would most likely face Runesave head on rather than dodgin due to his nature since this is not full knowledge.

 

[Delta3000]

This is where Escanor's combat exp would come in ie. he would see that TC can change forms and assume ,worst case that one of TC's forms would be his weakness, sealing, consequently Escanor's response would be to use his greater speed to force Haru to only defend physicaly or to disarm him (just because Haru has never been disarmed doesn't mean he couldn't be); in the former case he would eventualy overwhelm Haru with speed, strength, Rhitta's weight and charge and fire ability which allows Rhitta to store and discharge magic, combining magical and physical blows. In the latter case Haru is powerless whithout TC and would be quickly killed.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Yout comment is just making Haru looks like a ****** with a Sword, why Escanor could be so smart of disarm Haru, if his pride could easily give Haru a opening?

 

[Delta3000]

I don't think Haru is a ****** with a sword but while his pride is Escanor's weakness, it is stated in in his profile that it is tempered by his combat exp, so if he figures out what runesave does (similar to when he fought Gowther) he will know to avoid and not let Haru use it. Haru has won alot of his battles via plot armour which he doesn't have here; Escanor on the other hand has had no (noticable) plot armour at all and has stomped most, if not all his opponents

 

[BlackDaryl]

You're grasping at straws here. How will Escanor even knows that Haru has sealing ability? By guessing? He didn't 'figure out' Gowther's ability when fighting him, it's because he already know about it (hell, he got disabled with Gowther's blackout and it probably occured more than once). He doesn't know Haru's however. Haru has explosion swords, fire-ice dual swords, wind shockwave swords and extremely heavy swords that he usually uses first to test his opponents. So it doesn't make much sense that he would connect something as random as 'sealing' as one of Haru's powers, as opposed to other numerous possible options.

 

[Blahblah9755]

@Delta

Why are you treating this like Escanor is leagues above Haru? Haru and Lucia are both stronger than other island level, likely higher, individuals, such as Shiba and the two Gales. And he's faster than Mach 3800, nearly twice the highest calced speed in NnT, even without using silfarion.

He likely has higher fighting skill against opponents his equal than Escanor, since Escanor is known to just overpower his opponents in his daytime/prideful form, while Haru possesses the RAVE of knowledge to boost his fighting skill, and constantly comes up with new ways to beat opponents his equal even despite their hax.

Haru's consistently shown to keep fighting with severe injuries, so no it's not just a one time plot-armor-to-victory thing, it's just very high stamina. And he's always beaten stronger opponents through his versatility from the rave stones and 10 commandments.

I'd say Haru takes this.