Haru Glory vs Escanor

[Delta3000]

@black

Exactly, by making an educated Guess via his exp whith the holy knights in NNT have the same or similar powers to Haru which escanor would be familier with.

@blah

Escanor is also stronger than other island level characters making him haru's equal. If Haru is faster that would put things in his favour; they should really give exact numbers insted of just a range in the profiles. vesatility and creativity is also favorable if your opponent cannot overpower or hax you.

Honestly i don't know enough about haru to give a conclusive verdict.

 

[BlackDaryl]

Uh huh, and which holy knights with 'similar power' to Haru that would enable him to guess it? Because no one in NnT has a sealing sword. And let me ask again, why would Escanor even connect something as random as 'sealing' as one of Haru's powers, as opposed to other numerous possible options after seeing an explosion sword, fice-ice dual swords, etc?

There are no 'exact' numbers because those calcs are from someone below them in power. NnT's calc was from Galan while Rave's calc was from Megido, both are weaker than the characters we used and I really wanna avoid a speed debate because it's a pain. But you being constantly saying that Escanor is above Haru in stats and starts overpowering him, dodging as he likes till Haru bleeds to death and even disarming Haru is seriously too much because the disparity between them aren't large enough for Escanor to do as he please like that. If anything, Haru should be higher since he has better known feats and more versatility that could directly counter his opponent while the same can't be said to Escanor.

Edit: Also, so much for an 'educated guess' in Escanor's part when his soul was extracted by Meriscyla. It was ineffective against him but he clearly doesn't know what was happening when his soul was extracted with all those question marks.

 

[Delta3000]

He might not imedieatly connect it but still possible if he sees Haru useing runesave to disperse his suns it would remind him of Merlin's absolute cancel and he knows that she has conainment powers like perfect cube and has made sealing items like Gowther's armour . As for characters (not all of them are holy knights) with similar powers : Guila for explosions, Howzer and Merlin for the wind attacks of silfarion (Gilthunder and Zaratras for the speed boost) and melforce, Merlin for the fire and ice of blue crimson, the Holy knight with maracas for gravity core (the powers aren't exactly the same), million suns is basically the same as escanor's sunshine so they cancel and sacrifar appears to do the same as galan's critical over. Meriscyla snuck up on him and he had no hints to what her powers might be Haru on the other hand would display his versatility rather quickly.

 

[BlackDaryl]

You're seriously reaching here. Thinking that because he can use something similar to Merlin's spell suddenly thinks of another thing that's completely irrelevant (Gowther's sealing armor) and reaching the conclusion that it has the same ability. Merlin is a magician while Haru is a swordsman. With Escanor's experience over the years, he should instead differentiate their abilities as none of the warriors shown so far has any sealing power (as far as Escanor is concerned). And even if he did thought Runesave as Merlin's Absolute Cancel, why would he dodge it then, when Absolute Cancel itself has no sealing property? Haru is gonna slash Escanor with Runesave and Escanor already identified the sword with Absolute Cancel, so are you gonna say that he somehow will guess that it also contain a sealing property?

Those similar abilities you mentioned comes from warriors are they not? As in melee, sword-wielding fighters? So why are you suddenly connecting a magician's sealing ability with a seemingly magic-dispelling sword? If he guessed that it only works for dispelling, then he has no reason to believe that it suddenly has another ability of sealing.

And Escanor let Meriscyla did it. Meriscyla herself was saying that she's going to fight him and he's leisurely letting her ability hit him, like how he let Galan lands a blow on him. One thing is for certain, that he didn't know what Meriscyla's abilities are but he paid no heed to that.

 

[Delta3000]

How is it irrelivent when absoulte cancel (merlin has to touch the magic or object for this spell to work) would deactivate sunshine (putting escanor in nighttime state) and keeping it deactivated permenantly if used in conjunction with infinity effectivly sealing him.

 

[BlackDaryl]

Scans of Absolute Cancel deactivating Sunshine? Because if she can why not she just deavtivate him herself and needs Gowther to put him unconscious? Absolute Cancel erases magic, it can't seal it. And it's also much weaker than Runesave since it was unable to completely erase the one placed in Gowther.

And what I was referring to by irrelevant is how you connect an Absolute Cancel with Perfect Cube and then to Gowther's armor. Despite the only common point they have is that they are a magic spell that can be used by Merlin, which you somehow connect to Haru who's a swordsman.

It also seems like you think Escanor would be able to dodge all day from Haru despite Haru have better speed and versatility (having abilities that can temporarily paralyze as well as ignore damage), which he could use to close in on Escanor. Not to mention he can use Runesave from a distance too.

 

[Delta3000]

The sins are all criminals working for the kingdom as punishment, so there being multiple ways to take out each member is not far fetched; in escanor's case blackout arrow is the only means shown so far. Absolute Cancel (þÁÂÕ»¥Õ╝ÀÕêÂÞºúÚÖñ, Zettai Kyōsei Kaijo): By placing her hands over a spell, Merlin is able to completely erase it from existence. However, if the magic is particularly powerful it may be difficult to erase completely, instead being temporarily suspended, this temporary suspension could be made perminant with infinity.

What are you talking about with regard to gowther?

If 2 poeple have the same/similar ability why does it matter if one of them swings a sword?

If Haru really is as fast as blah claimed this match should be speed equalised to prevent a blitz. Haru's paralysis and ignore damage isn't mentioned in his profile so we, as far as i know cannot use it.

 

[BlackDaryl]

Exactly, it's not known and Merlin using Gowther instead of doing it herself suggests that she's unable to.

Merlin stated it herself that her Absolute Cancel couldn't completely erased Gowther's curse, which is why she made the armor.

Because the difference in their profession matters a lot? There are powers that are specifically used by magicians (Teleportation, Perfect Cube) while there are powers specifically used by warriors (various sword beams/slash waves). Thinking a warrior like Haru using a magician's specific skill, while can't be said to be impossible, should be the last thing he's trying to piece together.

Also, it would make more sense to link Haru's Runesave with Meliodas' Counter Vanish. Absolute Cancel completely erased the magic, leaving no traces of it after being cancelled. Runesave however has the property to 'cut' and 'seal' whereas cutting the magic usually more like dispersing it, as in there are scattered insignificant portion of the magic left (like when Haru was parting the tsunami, the water was more like dispersed rather than completely erased as they are not entirely gone). So it looks similar to how Meliodas used Counter Vanish and dispersed Cain's flame, since there were scattered piesces of flickering flames left that wasn't completely erased. It also make more sense since Haru is a swordsman like Meliodas instead of linking it to Merlin.

Unless the OP says that it's equalized, then it's not, and Haru isn't blitzing Escanor anyway. A good speed advantage, yes but it takes more than just doubled the speed to blitz.

About paralyzed and ignore damage:

• Form 6 - Mel Force: The sword of air, this form allows the user to fire powerful bursts of air at the enemy to blow them away and paralyze them.
• Form 9 - Sacrifar: The most destructive of all the forms, Sacrifar is a frightening blade of bloodlust that trades the user's emotio and will for the power of Carnage. As the sword was not made for Haru (but rather Shiba), the sword will take over the user after sometime. The sword gave him an enormous increase in fighting abilities, allowing him to effortlessly overpower a powerful fighter like Lucia.

The 'ignore damage' part was referring to Haru. In Sacrifar, he becomes bloodlusted and loses all emotions except aggression, he was unphased after taking Lucia's explosion and actually smiling. He wasn't able to control it back then but he's capable in the final battle after gaining the 10th form Ravelt.

 

[Delta3000]

Maybe we don't know for sure, though she did amp blackout arrow so maybe gowther's ability to knock him out is dependant on how strong escanor is at the time.

If Escanor assumes Haru is more like Meliodias he wouldn't use magic at all or at least not when Haru is using Runesave.

What's the mechanic of melforce's paralysis and how long does it last?

 

[BlackDaryl]

And because we're not sure, we can't make any assumptions like you did, especially when it suggests otherwise. What's certain is that Merlin uses Gowther instead of using Absolute Cancel on Escanor herself, even though she's fully capable (and is already) sneaking up behind him via teleportation.

Which would make it easier for Haru to land a hit. Haru is already faster without Silfarion, what if he uses Silfarion then switched it mid-slash unexpectedly? Just like how he usually did, since after all, that versatility is one of his main fighting prowess.

It was never extensively explained. Better just show you the scans, King's Melforce and Haru's Melforce . It's not that long but even a split second is fatal in a high speed cqc (especially when it only needed a single slash for Haru to end it).

 

[Delta3000]

the paralysis seems more like a stun.

hhm might change my vote to Haru given all the new info.

 

[BlackDaryl]

Stun is when one's in a daze or semiconscious state.

Paralyze is when one becomes incapable of movement but still conscious.

Haru is still conscious when he got hit with Melforce.

"Might"? What are you still uncertain about? Although Escanor has served as holy knight for years, he presents no indication of someone having a vast combat experience since all he ever does in a fight is powering his way through victory. Having vast amount of experience stomping his opponents handily is nothing compared to having less experience but filled with continuing to challenge your limits and coming up with strategies to defeat opponents stronger than you.

 

[Delta3000]

I misspoke, Ive stopped caring about this argument. Whilst you have raised some good points as to why Haru should win you don't need to shove them down peoples throats; all you needed to do was raise those points and let the votes come in, insted of choaking the thread trying to persuade one person.

 

[BlackDaryl]

I see, and no, I don't even care about the votes. My main interest is to debate. I was only curious about whether or not you have any other arguments. Since you have none then that's it for this thread I guess.