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Hank vs. Hank (Grace)

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Hank J. Wimbleton tracked the Auditor's goons to Arlen Texas and has begun hunting them down, only to find that Hank Hill has been selling Propane to the A.A.H.W.! Now he's off to stop Hill from selling this vital supply to his enemies, and they prepare to meet in combat.

-Both are 9-A (Mag Hank)

-Speed Equalized

-Battle takes place in Arlen, TX

Hank J. Wimbleto: (7 votes, Pixel, Jacky, Torli, Christian, Crimson, Divine, Phoenix)

Hank Hill: (1 votes, Butter)

Incon: (0 votes)

Mag Hank
Hankhilll
 
Does Hank Hill have a calc?

Btw, Hank FRA.
 
Vaporizing a human is around 300 megajoules, so in AP, they are basically around equal (MAG Hank can keep up with Jesus who vaporizes people a lot).

Not much to say. Hank's not an experienced fighter, while MAG Hank is. MAG Hank can shrug off wounds better. MAG Hank is better with a gun and can survive more lethal gun wounds. Thus, MAG Hank gets my vote.
 
Do take note. That feat was 1 small building explosion. That was 3. Each explosion provided small building. Which Hank did come out only Scoffed up. So he likely would take the edge there.
 
Hank's guns still one-shot comparable beings, so one clean shot kills Hank Hill.
 
Hank can survive wounds far, far better than Hill. Hank has been shot and stabbed and rendered basically a zombie, while Hill mostly resembles a regular person. As well, even one Bullettime means Hill gets obliterated.

So, Hank is far, far more skilled, can survive wounds better, has a giant arm that can stab Hill through the chest, limited electricity manipulation, and has bullettime. My vote doesn't change.
 
Hank is "far far" more skilled. Ehhh.

Hank Hill is full able to dominate martial arts trained people, military, and a Texas ranger, with very little effort. Hank Hill is extremely skilled.

Speed is equal so, that's irrelevantly

Hank J is definitely gonna be able to take more pain, should that pain not be fatal.

But Hank Hill is gonna be the stronger, tougher, and physical stronger (as in lifting) strength. Hank J is 300 Megajoules.

Hank Hill is 314 Megajoules plus 153 plus 137.501815 Megajoules. (Tanking all those explosion as). Which also is using the lower end. Overpressure getting a lower end than the standard formula. Which gives him 623.50338284000008571 Megajoules for the first explosion alone.

It takes place in Arlen which gives Hank a really good advantage in knowing his environment.

If J gets too close, Hank physically takes him down in both types of strengths.

A distance game would give Hank a huge advantage into playing the battle field. He has used military Tatics before when in a game of paintball. Having a stealthy approach. And could pop him out from a distance.
 
Hank J. Wimbleton can take on literal swarms of dozens upon dozens of soldiers, with his total killcount across the series coming out to be in the hundreds across the 11 episodes (and some of them, he was dead/not present).

Hank J. Wimbleton has Bullettime to amp his speed and reactions.

Hank J. can take decently lethal wounds as well.

Hank J. would absolutely decimate Hank Hill in a game of strategy. "Military tacitcs in paintball" doesn't compare to steathily assassinating dozens of people, then fighting dozens more, then fighting a telekinesis-using flying Jesus and his zombies, then keeping up with a clown who could easily blitz him. All of that happened in a singular episode of Madness Combat, consecutively. ************* paintball doesn't compare to that.

Hank actually upscales pretty high from 300 MJ, from being much, much stronger than Jesus who preformed the 300 MJ feat. MAG Hank is a massive upgrade, and allows Hank to physically contend with enemies that use to be three times his size and uncontestable in melee combat.

So effectively:

Hank J has speed, skill, resistance to wounds, and abilities.

Hank Hill has... a small AP advantage, which doesn't matter since Madness Combat characters regularly one-shot eachother with blades/guns, and a home field advantage by being in his home town.

Did I get that right?
 
A kill count amounts more towards experience. Not that he isn't skilled or anything. And Hank is much more skilled than Dale who he even has the skill to sneak into a guarded gun club that had severity and traps set all around the place. Outwitted the entire gun club. And Dale is the considerable Idiot compared to the rest. Bill took on several people on his own in a bar fight and is a much better solider than most during his time, And Boom is a Texas ranger which requires dozens of requirements to be in. Like several years In Law enforcement, outstanding physical condition, amount with other requirements. And Hank can casually beat all of these people with little to no effort. I'm not Saying Hill is more skilled. I'm just saying Hank J isn't Way Way More skilled like you said.

Ok. Bullettime is an ability I assume? If so, that makes more sense

By military tactics. I mean literal military. Cause he and Bill signed up to be in military. He just utilized it while playing paintball showing he knows military tactics. It iirc was Gorrila like strategy. (I'll have to rewatch it to be certai tho)

We can't say to what degree. He could be a couple of Megajoules higher for all we know. Hank on the other hand we have the exact numbers on rapid explosions he survived with no injury. An over 300 Megajoules explosion from one, and close to 150 Megajoules for the other two. All giving Hank little to no damage and only causing Luaan to go Bald.

And take in Mind a Low Tier survived this explosion too. Luaan without a doubt is a low tier. She is typically the weakest being only above Bobby. These are the kind of people Hank could backhand.

Luaan << Bill, Dale, and Boom <<<<< Hank

Hank can casually strangle and overpower the three. Meaning he Upscales this feat by a large large amount. Making the strength and durability gap very sizablez

Hank Hill had a Decently large AP, strength, and Durability advantage, Merle based combat via larger Arsenal and deadlier Arsenal of weapons, a home field advantage, which in turn helps his tactics. Plus an Arsenal that would make getting close pretty much fatal more times than not. And a range game leads into Hank playing the field and gorrila tatics. It would only take one good shot to the head.

Hank J does have the skill, speed with bullettime, his pain tolerance, and eletiricry manipulation
 
Sneaking into a gun club and playing paintball isn't exactly the pinnacle of skill.

MAG Hank easily outclasses Jesus in AP, so the AP difference is likely no more than 1.5x, which is easily overwhelmed by far superior skill and weaponry.

Hank's 'weaponry' doesn't hold a candle to MAG Hank's assortment of guns and swords, all suited for taking down swarms of people who could easily one-shot him. MAG Hank has more experience and skill and intelligence in combat, can easily deal with sneak attacks (In MC, people attack from behind constantly), and has dealt with people with far more AP with little trouble at all.

Hank's only real advantage is... slightly higher AP, and a home field advantage. Both of which are hard countered by MAG Hank in every way imaginable. MAG Hank fights in unknown territories, including magical, reality-shifting territories, all the time.

As well, MAG Hank has dealt with people far above him in AP throughout the series- he fought Jesus in base form, when Jesus could casually beat the crap out of him in striking strength. He also fought against Tricky, who was much faster and fought with irregular and abnormal strategies, who also beat him in AP, who also resurrected into a giant, flaming beast, while also fighting many other soldiers. He also held his own against The Auditor amping close to one-shot range.

How in the world does Hank Hill win against that?
 
You just weakened how good the feat actually is. Sneaking into a normal one sure. Sneaking into one that is run by bounty hunters with legalized training, traps surrounding the entire area as well as cameras keeping lookout without being spotted is very impressive. The paintball again shows him ultizing his skill. Your using the fact it was used during paintball to make it seem less impressive. But I'm saying it shows him utilizing his Actual Military training he would have gotten from the time he was in it. With legit training which he has shown to put to use.

Alright. Wanna go by the he should at least be "this" times stronger. By that logic. I can say Hank is at least x2 times strong than all of his friends together since he casually overpowers them all at once. Sometimes with one arm. Let's even go with the lowest end and Just use the 315 megajoule end which doesn't consider the other two rapid explosions he faced unhurt. Hank has 3 friends who scale to the explosion feat. Which means each one scales to 315 Megajoules. 315 Megajoules times 3 is at least 945 a Megajoules when not even considering the other explosions he also tanked at the same time which would boost the feat up further. Vs Hank J who by your logic is 450 Megajoules. Mali. Hank at his bare minimum, over Twoce as strong.

Let's see. Guns. Hank had several guns too. Swords. Hank has plenty of melee weapons like say. A chainsaw. Attacking from behind. Ehh. No. Thats not what gorrila tatics are: that's immensely different.

And he sealed with those people only when he was stronger. The only people who's AP is higher than hank, would have demolished Hank J had he not been in a stronger form. But he isn't in that form and he is limited against it.

Hanks Real advantages is, a much higher AP advantage. And a one shot should we go by your logic. Physical strength, Durability, home field advantage, Close courters weaponry.

How does Hank Hill win. Smacks em if they get to close which one shots by your logic. And Takes em out from distance using several guns and a high knowledge of his surroundings and how to use them
 
1. You are honestly arguing that playing paintball is better than killing over 535 armed people over the course of a few days, most of which is consecutive.

2. You're pulling numbers out of nowhere, man.

3. Guerrilla* tactics, not gorilla tactics. Gorilla tactics is beating your chest and smacking the opponent. As for the actual point, are you still trying to argue Hank Hill having superior stealth?

4. What? I just said Hank beat the crap out of people higher in AP than him, while in a weaker form. He could contend with Jesus while Jesus was far superior to him in striking strength, he could hold his own against Tricky, and he was able to fend off against The Auditor.

5. Se above. Also, Hank Hill's weaponry is not better, at all, not to mention Hank J's massive skill advantage.

6. Except. Hank J, like I said, can take lethal wounds. And has more skill. And can one-shot. And can deal with foreign territory, including reality-warping territory.

I plead you to explain how you are coming to this conclusion. How does Hank Hill bypass the skill disadvantage? How does he deal with getting one-shotted while Hank J. can survive many terrible wounds? How does he contend with Hank J's superior strategy against people stronger than him?
 
1. No. I'm arguing That Hank Hill has shown military tatics. The paintball is just a situation where he utilized it before

2. No im not. The result of The Megalomart explosion is 315 Megajoules for one of the explosions. And the other two I didn't take in account for. But are a little close to 150 Megajoules. Which even a low tier survives. So no doubt mid tiers scale (and logically are superior). So a single Mid tier is able to exert 325 Megajoules as being able to harm each other. Hank Casually. And even has done with one hand, overpowered Mii ole of his friends and even all of them at one point. So if he is overpowering 2 to 3 people who can exert at least 315 Megajoules (at the barest minimum considering that is putting them low tier AP, and not considering the other two bombs), Hank has to At the very least exert 639-945 Megajoules to overpower them. AT LEAST mind you. Cause he does this casually. Meaning he is likely immediensly higher. That isn't pulling out random numbers. It's just the basic math needed to pull off such feats

3. I'm arguing Hanks stealth tatics, several guns, plus his familiarity in the environment gives him a really good edge with a range game.

4. Ehh. Them having the same name might be getting confusing now. Hank Hill had a huge AP advatage and not one that J could handle if he was up close. And you can't beat someone up if they have a much higher AP than you. If he pulled this off. Then he would just logically scale to that level.

5. MELEE weaponry. Hank has several melee weapons like a chainsaw which could easily contend with a sword

6. Then that just means those people are under 300 Megajoules. That doesn't say much considering Hank Hill is vastly above it. And if he takes a shotgun to the head. That head is coming off. And he ain't surviving that. Ones that go through his chest he could survive. But if Hank wins for the head. Or even just rapid fires him. Than its overwhelming him.

How does Hank Hill bypass the skill disadvantage. Simply By being Skilled himself with a familiar environment. Plus an Large gal in power. How does he deal with getting one shot? By doing the same. Stealth tatics keep him out of a line of fire. And sure he could survive a shot to the chest or something. He has better tolerance. But if Hank takes one to his head, uses a bigger gun like a shotgun, or chainsaws him a new one. He isn't surviving all that. It just means he can get shot or hurt more and keep going. An advatage sure. But not a reason he will win. Hank has strategy of his own which will help work on his favor due to his home field advatage and training. And Number 5 explains the last one.
 
Beating 3 people weaker than you doesn't make you 3 times stronger than them, or else any time someone wiped out an army of fodder, we'd have some problems.

Stealth, which MAG Hank has dealt with, guns, which MAG Hank has and deals with, and environment, which MAG Hank has dealt with in spades.

Hank Hill's AP advantage isn't any more than x2, fam. We have different definitions of "huge".

Chainsaws, contrary to popular belief, are not the greatest melee weapons.

What are you talking about? He can take actual, lethal wounds. Even fodder has guns and swords that can one-shot eachother in Madness Combat. By the end of Madness Combat 6, Hank J. Wimbleton is basically a walking corpse, lacking his entire jaw, bandages all over his head, alongside heavy injuries across his head. And that's his weaker form- this form has telekinesis and electricity manip, and is likely stronger than his previous MAG form after being amped by The Auditor in MC 11.

Hank J. Wimbleton is mroe skilled, faster, can actually get shot a few times, deals with stealth and has used stealth plenty of times, and more. This is an unbelievably decisive battle in favor of Hank J. Wimbleton.
 
Also, in Madness Combat 10, MAG Hank did get stabbed in the head, and just completely shrugged it off as if it was nothing.
 
1. If these three people all together can't overpower something. Then that something is at least their strength put together. 3 people who could provide the force of 315 Megajoules at their lowest all together couldn't overpower another person. Then yes. He is 3 times stronger than one of them. If not even 3 of them can make Hank budge.

2. Hank J has dealt with people shooting him from behind. Hanks tatics can come from any direction. He just is keeping himself hidden. Which is very different to what Hank J had handled with

3. A bit over times 2 AT LEAST. That was low balling it heavily. Assuming that the mid tiers weren't any higher, which they are a lot higher, and as well, not even taking in account the other 2 small building explosions that he faced. As they blew up 3 times in the Megalomart. 3 rapid ones which even a Low tier faced all of them and came out scuffed up and bald at worse. So the edge is far more than it's being given credit for

4. When it's a main with a chainsaw and at least an over 2 times strength edge and a heavier class strength edge. A chainsaw will do wonders on Hank J

5. Yes. I said he can tank leathal wounds. Just not forever, and some of hanks weapons would kill him regardlessz like a shotgun if aimed in the right place like his head, it would literally cause his head to be ripped apart. Which is Bull to assume he would survive that much. And even if he did. He is basically heavily crippled at that point. That would most certainly leave him blind and easy picking for a second shot to end him. And melee wouldn't help cause hanks weapons would tear through him. As well as his strength advatage. He ain't surviving say. Being decaptiated, cut in half. Having essentially limbs cut off. He ain't ever showed he could survive something like that which Hank could easily do thanks to the heavy strength edge
 
1. Not how it works, still. You can't say he's three times stronger because he can, with effort, take on three middle-aged men.

2. If he can deal with people from behind, and both uses and counters stealth regularly, Hank Hill doesn't have shit on him when it comes to stealth.

3. I've already pointed out how your scaling chain doesn't make a lot of sense.

4. Chainsaws are not good weapons.

5. So your logic is "Well, Hank J. Wimbleton has more skill, speed, can tank hits better, and all that, and Hank Hill will die and fall far more easily, but Hank Hill gets the first shot and wins." No.
 
Man these votes can get hilariously hard to interpret.

4-1, assuming Buttersamurai stands for Propane.
 
MC Hank takes this fairly easily.

Much more skilled, experienced, can take lethal wounds like a champ, likely stronger (Jesus who vaporized people would be stomped by this Hank), Mag Hanks also has more versatility (with lightning punches, telekinesis and bullet timing).
 
1. It is how it works. If thrrr peoples strength together isn't able to overpower Hank. All three of them who can each individually provide 315 Megajoules at their minimum all together aren't able to match Hank. Who can overpower them all at once. Then yes he is that much stronger.

2. Bull. He has military training and again, shows he utilizes his stealth in combat. As well. His tatics are very different from just attacking from behind. And I already explained this more than once

3. And I already pointed out you are wrong there.

4. Wrong here. A chainsaw welled by Hank with which a power advantage is a very good weapon. Amy weapon win balded ends in good. Heck. Any weapon due to the strength advantage

5. No. You are completely ignoring what I have actually said. Hill can easily end should J try and come up close due to a physical advatage by a long shot and needed weapons to kill him. He has a home field advatage which will help his stealth tatics knowing the place and could use his knowledge to his advantage. I'm saying he isn't winning up close. And Hanks homefield advantage plus his own training and skill.
 
Not extremely fair, but given Butter's adamance, it's not a stomp.

I'll let the votes speak. Butter and I would simply be arguing in a circle. I've refuted the points, it's 5-1, let's wait for the next two.
 
I just looked at his page for the immortality types and umm

"Whenever he is killed, he is soon after revived by the mysterious "Higher Powers""
 
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