While this is indeed true, tbf, energy shield are defensive and are meant to being effective against anything that will harm the user.
I am iffy about this. Part of me wants to push for this...but I just can't.
This is legit, but pretty much any character is technically "higher" with blades. A 10-A could do some damage to a 9-B with piercing damage, and two 9-A/8-C's could one-shot the other with a knife in the right place.
Massive outlier. I think we should forget that entire fight altogether, the Didact doesn't even use constraint fields in that shitty sorry excuse for a comic.
That would still give these guys a higher rating with them regardless since they're more effective than just punching. Also since War Games (Multiplayer) in Halo 4 is canon we can also use that to note these crazy ass knives can one-shot Spartan IVs through their shields and armor so more consistency.
He still had to pop the shield first to do any damage and during gameplay on Heroic difficulty (the canon difficulty) you can't pop a Zealot's shields with one punch like you can other Elites.
Game Mechanics is a mixed bag as it helps with the story yet at the same time, we talked about a in-game cutscene where we see an Elite getting stabbed in the neck by a knife. Also he shotgun a different Elite before he stabbed the other one too
At least, he killed two more while dying as well.
And don't even get me started on the Field Marshal Noble Six has to kill to get to the MAC gun who has even stronger shields than that and can still be one-shot by an Assassination with the knife.
As I recall there is no "Canon Difficulty". If you are referring to Bungie calling Heroic "the way Halo is meant to be played" that most likely means the recommended difficulty for a rewarding challenge.
We are on the same page here. Though Cinder's point is that Knives, energy daggers, and energy swords can instantly pop through shields.
Do you remember the source for this or nah?
Halo 4; it’s the end cutscene for Lockdown or Terminus
Yeah, I think you are right, but time to double check on YouTube again
Not unless you wanna some shenanigans like that one UNSC nuke that destroyed a moon or whatever it was that blew up.
I think that was already calculated somewhere.
I somewhat share Medeus' position on this. I may be willing to agree when it comes to energy daggers or the energy sword, but as I mentioned previously, pretty much any character in fiction is technically "higher" with sharp weapons, or hot and sharp weapons.
We have numerous examples of them either no-selling or blocking melee strikes as shown with Fal face tanking those Giant Hunters which should easily upscale the regular ones or Master Chief getting slammed into the ground by Atriox without his shield popping or him literally getting yeeted by the Harbinger through a tree and smashing into a rock without his shield flashing either.
Tbf, on this, Piercing Damage is still relied on AP and I think striking strength as now I think about it, you still striking a opponent with your hand + arms. It is simply harming a opponent, but in cases where it one shots kills a enemy, then it is a matter of striking a vital spot to provide the kill.
It's not like the shields are weaker in specific areas, they're full body forcefields.
You are right, also that boulder feat from Tanaka showed her shields flaring after ramming through the boulder.
I agree. Though we can use some assassination animations for AP justifications. Master Chief can punch out the Warden Eternal's joins, and DDM calculated the Warden surviving the Incineration cannon at 8-C+. IIRC DOOM once used similar AP justifications back when it was 7-C.
Even without the shield and their weaknesses, the problems still ties to the whole “strike at an enemy’s vital points”. Let me elaborated on the “vital points”.
You can literally stab Elites and Knights through their shields in completely armored body parts like their heads in Halo 4 and one-shot them despite Master Chief's tech barely changing between 3 and 4, especially considering the fact that the Knights have superior shields to Spartans and the Storm Covenant have had several years to update their tech which they clearly have.
Hmm, then it seems more of a weakness to the shields in those cases as it is not like energy shields doesn’t have weaknesses as it shows how they seems to offer little protection against melee stuff compared to other things. The only exception will been Halo Infinite cutscenes with a fight between Atroix and MC
There's also Fal no-selling a Hunter punching his entire body and he has the most out of date Elite armor in the verse since it hasn't changed since his death, even when Thel got it.
I didn't calc that for a reason. Even highballing the speed of the Hunter's arm, I got 36 Kilojoules. But that is irrelevant since the launching feat is vastly more impressive.
Exactly, so it anything it's more impressive than I made it sound.
I should still specifically mentioned the melee weapons rather than pure Melee.
I just realized this feat might not mean much but doesn't a Knight blitz and one-shot two Elites piloting Ghosts in Halo 4?
Can you provide a video link?
If I can find it, it's been years since I played Halo 4.
