Half-Body vs Half-Demon: Kuromueina vs Dante

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Seems thematic, hopefully not a stomp for either one

Both are FTL, so idk if speed needs to be equalized, also not too sure which 2-C Dante to use, so lets go with both of them at their strongest version of 2-C and unequalized speed for now.

Who wins?
Kuro:
Dante:
Inconclusive:
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[Shmooply]

Following. Will give input later.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Mid-Godly, Oof.

half-body start with? and how many universe is she?

Dante is 2

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

3 i guess, she can destroy several universes.

As for what she starts with, battles between Gods always turn into fist fights due to both nullifying each others powers. Ie Kuro vs Shiro.

Kaito who is blessed by Shiro, nullifies any hostile abilities used against him, so it adds to the idea that Gods all nullify all of each others abilities.

That said, this Kuro does use the prologue which is probability manipulation + plot manipulation, it generates possibilities, the moment it is used is the prologue and from there she can change the story however she wants, hence why she gained the ability to travel between universes when she didn't have it before.

 

[Shmooply]

How good are her resistances, by-the-by? Nearly every hax Dante has is on a 4-D level.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Like planetary, she resist Isis hax which is more potent than the Evil God's that affected the whole world. Also resist a bunch of other stuff but it's not 4-D.

Thing is as i said fights against Gods turn into fist fights due to their passive power null that nullifies each others abilities, so there really isn't any room to show them like resisting each others stuff.

 

[Shmooply]

That's gonna be a problem for Kuro as Dante has two layers of resistance to power nullification, and the fact that his 4-D fear hax kicks in when he's serious (which he tends to do in his strongest key). Though she does have probability and plot hax, so that should help her out here.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Wait, Dante finally has the edge against some VN/LN character?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Which resistances of Dante's aren't 4-D?

The abilities of ppl like Kuro seem to be more potent than normal ones.

For example Chronois time stop is more powerful than a normal time stop cause it's an authority given to her by Kuro.

Fate choose to alter the past itself instead of negating Life's ability which was granted to her by Shiro, because Shiro's ability is greater and thus she wouldn't have been able to negate it.

Not too sure how to take those, if those make the Supreme Gods smurf or whatever.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Which resistances of Dante's aren't 4-D?

For the moment all of them are, after the downgraded it will be like all of Argosax, Mundus and the Beastheads hax which is like 80% of the hax in verse

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Fate choose to alter the past itself instead of negating Life's ability which was granted to her by Shiro, because Shiro's ability is greater and thus she wouldn't have been able to negate it.

Dante is Acausal type 4 idk if that helps

 

[Mister6ame6]

That's gonna be a problem for Kuro as Dante has two layers of resistance to power nullification, and the fact that his 4-D fear hax kicks in when he's serious (which he tends to do in his strongest key). Though she does have probability and plot hax, so that should help her out here.

Probability get resisted by Acausality Type 4

For example Chronois time stop is more powerful than a normal time stop cause it's an authority given to her by Kuro.

Dante resist two layers of resistance to time stop on this key, so he should be able to resist the time stop here.

Idk about the rest tho

For the moment all of them are, after the downgraded it will be like all of Argosax, Mundus and the Beastheads hax which is like 80% of the hax in verse

Seems like a waste of time to downgrade that, if 80% of the verse hax is on that level tho

 

[deonment]

Probability get resisted by Acausality Type 4

no, it does not

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Seems like a waste of time to downgrade that, if 80% of the verse hax is on that level tho

It has to happen, we need to fix Earl and our mistake

 

[Mister6ame6]

no, it does not

Last time a thread was made about this, it was concluded that Probability get resisted by Acausality Type 4 iirc, but i don't remember the thread, so not going to argue this.

It has to happen, we need to fix Earl and our mistake

Still, it seems like a waste of time to make that tho if basically every hax is going to be on that level, but fair enough.

 

[deonment]

Last time a thread was made about this, it was concluded that Probability get resisted by Acausality Type 4 iirc, but i don't remember the thread, so not going to argue this.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/does-...probability-manipulation.117846/#post-3825641 read down from this please, to where don't talk first replys

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The Prologue is also plot manipulation anyway.

So, from what i have gathered so far, Dante has 4-D resistances, and abilities, meanwhile Kuro has mid-godly regen which wouldn't really help if she gets incap.

Her clutch is the Prologue, Dante seems to have a lot more options, question is what does he start with?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Her clutch is the Prologue, Dante seems to have a lot more options, question is what does he start with?

Guns and sword combo, if she dwarfs him in power he will be serious (which he can know asap since he can "see" powerlevels), she will be taken by surprise when she see that his abilities actually work despite the power null, that could buy him time.

Being serious his fear aura starts working so that's a passive fear hax while they clash.

She scales to several universes and that's above his ap/dura so any clash will result with him being turned to paste or worse (and thanks to his regen he will keep going) which would make him go all out and probably resort to any hax that could kill something above his pay grade (any one shot hax basically) and his sealing will come into play once he realizes he can't kill her.

Dunno if she is gonna start with EE/Void or any hax when she just taps and he explodes but the fear hax should be enough to stop her entirely

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Kuro can negate regen up to Low-Godly, so if she sees him regen, she would just null that i think, probably more likely than Void/EEm since i remember her using it on random fodder.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

He resist regen negation up to Low-Godly

That could work, the downside is that he will be in DT the moment he regens and that already kicks his Fear hax if he didn't went all out already so it is unlikely she will use it

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Interesting.

If she starts with the Prologue, so from the beginning she can change the story to be whatever she wants, the ability is in effect, and Dante goes for melee, then fear once he regens, how does this all play out.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Idk, if she can manipulate the story to her favor then it's her chance to win.

She starts with that? Otherwise Dante can just look at her and know he is ****** meaning he goes all out

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I wouldn't really say she starts with it, cause as i said God vs God=fist fight due their abilities being nulled, Kuro used the Prologue because Shiro was nuking her along with the universe and she couldn't get to Shiro cause she didn't have the ability to travel to other dimensions, so she used the Prologue to get the ability to dimension travel.

So if Kuro is fighting Dante, and both of their abilities aren't being nulled, not really sure what she would start with.

Thinking about it, Kuro's power is said to be nothingness itself, and when she is normally facing ppl who aren't Gods she is just this mass of nothingness that attacks ppl, so i guess Void Manipulation is the most likely.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So she is a void that attacks people?

That's... Not really new for him.

In that case in going with that as he can see her power immediately and know how ****** he is in the power department and stop holding back so fear hax and whatever he can do to incap for the win.

Alternatively they throw hands and Dante gets turned to a fine mist only to come back in DT and fear hax leading to the same argument above.

 

[Mister6ame6]

So she is a void that attacks people?

That's... Not really new for him.

In that case in going with that as he can see her power immediately and know how ****** he is in the power department and stop holding back so fear hax and whatever he can do to incap for the win.

Alternatively they throw hands and Dante gets turned to a fine mist only to come back in DT and fear hax leading to the same argument above.

Well, then this is a stomp than in Dante's favor, if she cannot deal with his passives when he is serious.

 

[Thehunter077]

Wait, Dante finally has the edge against some VN/LN character?

I mean not all LN or VN character reach Dante tier.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

This is speed unequalised , Dante has massive scaling in FTL and stat boosts on top.
His DMC3 self was 6.3C.
His DMC2 Base human self could perception blitz Despair Embodied in an open environment.
And his SDT speed amp >>>10x of DT+Quickheart.
This on top of excellent Instinctive reactions and a naturally evasive fighting style means he can keep dodging Kuro effortlessly.
2X above baseline time manip will allow him extra breathing room for decision making.

Power sensing will ensure he will play out the battle cautiously after sensing her power.

Ultimately he will seal her way quickly in early battle itself with Jackpot.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Is a stomp for Dante, since she cannot deal with passive emphatic and fear hax when he is serius, so this match should be closed anyway.