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Who win?
Who win?
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I thought he was Albanian.Ravenous4th said:Hajun because he is an Indian.
Actually, the Throne itself is qualitatively superior to The Singularity, and Taikyoku, even with the smallest amount, is beyond the Throne.First Witch said:Correction, the Singularity isnt just infinite, it can reach infinite, endless layers at its peak, going by Hajuns Singularity. The argument for the recent power surge of Hadou/Gudou gods is that a single Taikyoku value is qualitativly superior to the Singularity, regardless of its deph, making them trancending a full infinite hierachy by having a single Taikyoku.
This match is a incon for once. Both Hajun and Nyarlathothep trancend a hierachy that trancends a hierachy already.
But the Throne itself isnt a infinite layered hierachy right? So its not more than a added layer onto the hierachy. The Taikyoku hierachy just starts by 0 instead of 1 i guessWarren Valion said:Actually, the Throne itself is qualitatively superior to The Singularity, and Taikyoku, even with the smallest amount, is beyond the Throne.
From my knowledge, The Singularity is completely below the Throne floor, being encompassed by it and all.First Witch said:But the Throne itself isnt a infinite layered hierachy right? So its not more than a added layer onto the hierachy. The Taikyoku hierachy just starts by 0 instead of 1 i guess
Yes, this is a fault on my part, as I failed to emphasise what I really meant when Hypnos is infinitely more complex than a regular 1-A. The Gates still transcend Hypnos as if he were a human. That is the main thing to take away.First Witch said:"As I said before, the First Gate is so far above Hypnos, a guy who transcended an infinite number of Outerversal realms before being BTFOed by the First Gate. Yes indeed, the First Gate transcends Hypnos, the same way Hypnos transcends a regular human."
This part here is, no offence, a non sequitour. So Hypnos trancends a infinite hierachy, the First Gate trancends Hypnos. This simply establishes that the Gates are indeed a higher Cardinal, a qualitative superior hierachy to the previous hierachy of Great Old ones.
But the mistakes lies in the misconception that Outerversal trancendence are just infinite stacked upon infinites. Outerversal layers arent spatial dimenions (Witch is even more questionable, as how we currently treat dimensions, no matter how many infinites you stack onto it, it wont reach the higher dimension. For example you could make infinite^infinite 3D and it would still be inferior to superior limited 4D space. At least for now, Ultima looms over this and im no physic nerd to question that system)
Qualitative superiority. No matter how many infinites a being of lower standing stacks, it wont reach the higher layer. It dosnt matter how many inferior hierachies you can stack in a single layer until you reach the higher layer, because that is to be expected for a layer to be considerd truly trancendend of the lower one. Its absolutly hopeless for a god of one taikyoku to beat a god of 2 Taikyoku, regardless of how many singularities can fit into one Taikyoku, because by definitio Taikyoku is superior to the Singularity.
Where did u determine that, because we've got an establishment that Satanels fight, even with tiniest bit of quality gap, to the point Shiori with her infinite possibilities was negged, this is not even when it comes to value difference but merely a tiniest qualityAbu2411 said:That's not exaclty how I define the Taikyoku, I said that even a God with 1 Taikyoku can still be infinetly stornger than a God with 1 Taikyoku as well. Sorry for confusing you.
Debunked by the staff outside of wiki.Abu2411 said:The thing with the Gates is that each one transcends the last the same way the last transcends the one before it. And the difference of transcendence with these Gates is that the strongest being from A lower Gate will seem just like a regular human compared to even the weakest being in the Gate beyond. Exaclty like Yato saying fighting Hajun is like fighting a God.