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Not extremely educated on both characters, but can't AoC just Power Null reality overwrite? HA Dio doesn't really have anything overwhelm AoC. I'm giving to to AoC.
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HA Dio Vs AoC (Hopefully not a stomp)
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No? DIO can just time stop or overwrite it out of existence on a whim.
>power null.
Not when each have that. And negating tier 2 power instantly?
>power null.
Not when each have that. And negating tier 2 power instantly?
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Make a thread, like I said before, that is more like he is acausal than has passive power nullification.
Well when you manipulate reality on a multiversal level, you technically can pop out universes by rewriting it. Also, you sure this a universe and not a pocket dimension?
Nah, just simply cutting off the connection of the power to the user. Now that I think about it, its a bit op, although probably limited on who it can be used on.
DIO is not The World, the world is a manifestation of his willpower, like all stands are. Although even if he is The World (somehow), that doesn't matter either, since Law of Cycles is Madoka as well, at least until the Power Drain.
Well when you manipulate reality on a multiversal level, you technically can pop out universes by rewriting it. Also, you sure this a universe and not a pocket dimension?
Nah, just simply cutting off the connection of the power to the user. Now that I think about it, its a bit op, although probably limited on who it can be used on.
DIO is not The World, the world is a manifestation of his willpower, like all stands are. Although even if he is The World (somehow), that doesn't matter either, since Law of Cycles is Madoka as well, at least until the Power Drain.
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Except why would it be attributed to his power if that was the case? And nah, just a matter of out of context or misinformed. Gotta get the quote but obviously .
Uses the same term it used for every other universe.
Dude, ya have ignored or at least side stepped the question.
Can it effect tier 2-A fighters instantly. Not questioning if it can but can the drain happen instantly. Because defintly do not recall it being instant. And ya said >reconnecting. Meaning the connection was already gone.
And on top of all that would mean the aoc has an idea on why and should cut the connection. Why eould it lead with that?
Uses the same term it used for every other universe.
Dude, ya have ignored or at least side stepped the question.
Can it effect tier 2-A fighters instantly. Not questioning if it can but can the drain happen instantly. Because defintly do not recall it being instant. And ya said >reconnecting. Meaning the connection was already gone.
And on top of all that would mean the aoc has an idea on why and should cut the connection. Why eould it lead with that?
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Ok
Ok
Sorry forgot it. No.
Power Drain? No. Power Drain's ability to disconnect? Yes. Yeah, but by then it had already reconnected.
Because it quite literally leads with everything? AoC is a hive mind, ie it had multiple bodies (corrupted wraiths and falslings) as a part of it. Essentially its like fighting an army, each leading with their own actions. In the story, they were all fighting the world's population of magical girls and peoples at once. And even then, Power drain is by touch, so it doesn't need to worry about that.
Also, funnily enough you never did debunk the other passive abilities. By the way, you know AoC can duplicate from the memories right? Since AoC gains his memories, she could just copy him or Jotaro and abuse Jotaro's "same type of stand" stuff.
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Sorry forgot it. No.
Power Drain? No. Power Drain's ability to disconnect? Yes. Yeah, but by then it had already reconnected.
Because it quite literally leads with everything? AoC is a hive mind, ie it had multiple bodies (corrupted wraiths and falslings) as a part of it. Essentially its like fighting an army, each leading with their own actions. In the story, they were all fighting the world's population of magical girls and peoples at once. And even then, Power drain is by touch, so it doesn't need to worry about that.
Also, funnily enough you never did debunk the other passive abilities. By the way, you know AoC can duplicate from the memories right? Since AoC gains his memories, she could just copy him or Jotaro and abuse Jotaro's "same type of stand" stuff.
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Except key problem.
>fighting multiple opponents =/= leading with everything.
Not quite how that works , theoretically yeah, but will it? Context is key.
Does it know stands exist? No. And by that point it would need ta actively do that and all while DIO just needs ta stop time. Cool it gets his memory but equal speed, at that point it has ta go "oh cool, cut the cord". Dio already would have lead with the time stop.
>power drain.
>touch.
Uh, not happening then ?
Jotaro took like an hour of DIO jobbing, 3 fights and more .
>fighting multiple opponents =/= leading with everything.
Not quite how that works , theoretically yeah, but will it? Context is key.
Does it know stands exist? No. And by that point it would need ta actively do that and all while DIO just needs ta stop time. Cool it gets his memory but equal speed, at that point it has ta go "oh cool, cut the cord". Dio already would have lead with the time stop.
>power drain.
>touch.
Uh, not happening then ?
Jotaro took like an hour of DIO jobbing, 3 fights and more .
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That part was more of an explanation why she didn't just destroy everything in the manga, the leading with everything is more due to the fact that she has multiple bodies that can function apart to do so.
How what works?
Well no, memory drain (and thus power mimicry) is passive (Which means it would also gain time stop resistance). Making False DIO would probably take a thought tho, but so would time stop.
Only the power drain is by touch. And it doesn't require an understanding (Unless you're trying to argue Homura understood the full scope of Madoka, which was capable of driving Kyubey mad.) That said, it would gain his memories, so yes it would know stands exist.
Also I have severe doubts DIO wouldn't get cocky in this match, which would lead to his downfall.
How what works?
Well no, memory drain (and thus power mimicry) is passive (Which means it would also gain time stop resistance). Making False DIO would probably take a thought tho, but so would time stop.
Only the power drain is by touch. And it doesn't require an understanding (Unless you're trying to argue Homura understood the full scope of Madoka, which was capable of driving Kyubey mad.) That said, it would gain his memories, so yes it would know stands exist.
Also I have severe doubts DIO wouldn't get cocky in this match, which would lead to his downfall.
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We should also probably focus on one aspect at a time, so for now, lets debate over the passive abilities rather than power drain.
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The context was different, aic was fighting dufferent things doing different thibgs as a response , here all fighting one man who would just be standing .
Passive does not mean instantaneously. Like the way ya speak it will have the things before the match begins. Making false dio? Cool but DIO woulkd have stopped time by then.
Still have not seen the aoc duplicate tuer 2 powers instantly, yeah homulil but even then, still do not recall it being instant.
And that matters? DIO is not getting touched.
Dio, unless ya Jotaro leads with the kill. Sba dictates he is willing ta kill and DIO in character willing ta kill does not job.
Passive does not mean instantaneously. Like the way ya speak it will have the things before the match begins. Making false dio? Cool but DIO woulkd have stopped time by then.
Still have not seen the aoc duplicate tuer 2 powers instantly, yeah homulil but even then, still do not recall it being instant.
And that matters? DIO is not getting touched.
Dio, unless ya Jotaro leads with the kill. Sba dictates he is willing ta kill and DIO in character willing ta kill does not job.
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Overwrite.
Basically just want aoc gone.
Basically just want aoc gone.
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It's been 5 hours since I bumped this and there's already been 87 other comments.
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Ye, that was what I was suggesting. Outside of fighting everyone, AoC has shown to do it on individual enemies (Mami vs False Mami and False Kyoko, Kyoko vs False Sayaka and corrupted Wraiths)
Passive means >>> than thought tho. Nah, it just means before DIO or AoC react. False DIO is made by just a thought, but like I said, doesn't matter, she'll gain DIO's abilities before then.
Homulily has nothing to do with this. And of course not. I'm arguing that using DIO's memories and abilities (that aren't 2-A), AoC can resist time stop and abuse his weaknesses.
DIO willing to kill does not what?
@PaChi Destroy his physical body? I mean, the next abilities would either be Power Drain or BFR, but again, usually her passives get the job done (Which again, no one has debunked).
Passive means >>> than thought tho. Nah, it just means before DIO or AoC react. False DIO is made by just a thought, but like I said, doesn't matter, she'll gain DIO's abilities before then.
Homulily has nothing to do with this. And of course not. I'm arguing that using DIO's memories and abilities (that aren't 2-A), AoC can resist time stop and abuse his weaknesses.
DIO willing to kill does not what?
@PaChi Destroy his physical body? I mean, the next abilities would either be Power Drain or BFR, but again, usually her passives get the job done (Which again, no one has debunked).
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Worth mention that TWOH 2-A rating came from Hax, not actual state of being or pure firepower. while in actually, DIO and TWOH are juat High 8-C.
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Ok.
And? DIO has passive negation , which will take me whipping out the ps4 unless can find a pastebin of the game text. Passive means it happens.without conscious thought, does not mean it instant. Could passively happen over 5 billion years. Even if it took one second that would be late.
>his weaknesses . But he has none.
Job. Like Gilgamesh.
>BFR Dio can do that too. >destroy his body.
Dio can go "no" and destroy aoc.
Debunk? Telling ya dio has his own passive. And soul pasdive does nothibg. Abd mind pasdive he tanks barely.
And? DIO has passive negation , which will take me whipping out the ps4 unless can find a pastebin of the game text. Passive means it happens.without conscious thought, does not mean it instant. Could passively happen over 5 billion years. Even if it took one second that would be late.
>his weaknesses . But he has none.
Job. Like Gilgamesh.
>BFR Dio can do that too. >destroy his body.
Dio can go "no" and destroy aoc.
Debunk? Telling ya dio has his own passive. And soul pasdive does nothibg. Abd mind pasdive he tanks barely.
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Yeah homu And? Actually 8-B.
That hax is more than enough. Above baseline no less. Can shitstomp other tier 2-A fighters,.
That hax is more than enough. Above baseline no less. Can shitstomp other tier 2-A fighters,.
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You said this, as if implying that DIO is 2-A via pure firepower. He is actually just a 3-D being (few tier lower than AoC) with 4-D power. Passive instant drain will works just fine.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
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And again passive in this case means it starts automatically for AoC, and like I said countless other times, it finishes just as fast.
"Heaven DIO's powers comes from his hands and fists. Should they get wounded or injured in anyway, Dio will not be able to overwrite reality until they heal." Also not including the fact that his personality is extremely cocky.
" >destroy his body.
Dio can go "no" and destroy aoc."
Ah so he can neg his own death now too huh?
@Homu I forgot about that fact.
"Heaven DIO's powers comes from his hands and fists. Should they get wounded or injured in anyway, Dio will not be able to overwrite reality until they heal." Also not including the fact that his personality is extremely cocky.
" >destroy his body.
Dio can go "no" and destroy aoc."
Ah so he can neg his own death now too huh?
@Homu I forgot about that fact.
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Draining tier 2 power.
That negates other tier 2 power like game ger who could briefly stalemate and the infinite spin. So no, not fine.
Not how that works, especially the stand. Via firepower? Maybe even, he can fire projectiles coming off his tier 2 power or made from the power.
That negates other tier 2 power like game ger who could briefly stalemate and the infinite spin. So no, not fine.
Not how that works, especially the stand. Via firepower? Maybe even, he can fire projectiles coming off his tier 2 power or made from the power.
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Yeah. Except have yet ta see it happening just as fast on tier 2 power. Considering we got an whole movie off that.
Yeah, meant before that, DIO will far likely go "no" before he gets destroyed.
Regardless, DIO passively tells baseline tier 2-A fighters ta piss off without doing anything at his weakest. Max DIO is considerably abive that.
And DIO willing ta kill does not job, unless ya Jotaro.
Yeah, meant before that, DIO will far likely go "no" before he gets destroyed.
Regardless, DIO passively tells baseline tier 2-A fighters ta piss off without doing anything at his weakest. Max DIO is considerably abive that.
And DIO willing ta kill does not job, unless ya Jotaro.
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That honestly may be a good. Bet.
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@PaChi AoC can do that lol
@J-Man it was literally a few seconds. Not a whole movie what are you talking about?
@J-Man it was literally a few seconds. Not a whole movie what are you talking about?
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>few seconds.
ya mean not instant
ya mean not instant
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To be fair, you can't use your abilities mid-drain, so those few seconds are basically a few seconds of helplessness.
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Not gonna work out, DIO has help.
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But the world could.
Remember, connected but not reliant.
Remember, connected but not reliant.
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Hold up didn't you just argue they're the same. The reason I didn't bring it up earlier was that I was arguing otherwise.
Also, again, only Power Drain takes a sec. All the other drains are passive, and yes, I've said this a lot of times, just as fast to finish ie instanteous.
Also, again, only Power Drain takes a sec. All the other drains are passive, and yes, I've said this a lot of times, just as fast to finish ie instanteous.
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@PaChi In which case, they're seperate but connected, which also gets removed by the Power Drain (example Law of Cycles and Madoka).
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Yeah. But dud I not mention he also is no reliant? Odd yeah, honestly not sure how that works, only other stabd like that is carne and purple haze.
Yeah but ignoring passive "no". Dio !also litterally just needs ta go "shinei" and write it out if existence.
Plus soul and mind will not take him out.
Yeah but ignoring passive "no". Dio !also litterally just needs ta go "shinei" and write it out if existence.
Plus soul and mind will not take him out.
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I am going to wait for JMan or PaChi's reasons to wank my lord and savior over heaven.
This thread is hard to keep up with tho, especially since I only know Dio so not sure who to vote yet.
Reality Overwrite in hindsight is all hax tho, so not sure.
This thread is hard to keep up with tho, especially since I only know Dio so not sure who to vote yet.
Reality Overwrite in hindsight is all hax tho, so not sure.
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So TWOH exists without DIO you mean?
Make a revision thread. Untill you do, that's not a valid reason.
You got Mind from scaling to a human surviving a mind based hax, which means the hax is weak not that humans got a natural mind resistance m8. That's also not including life drain, which also has worked on undead.
Also just realized, those resistances also aren't on his page. You have to make a revision at this point.
Make a revision thread. Untill you do, that's not a valid reason.
You got Mind from scaling to a human surviving a mind based hax, which means the hax is weak not that humans got a natural mind resistance m8. That's also not including life drain, which also has worked on undead.
Also just realized, those resistances also aren't on his page. You have to make a revision at this point.
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Kinda?
Not quite man, even if that was how that wirked that would mean all jojo humans get mind hax resistance, even though litterally having your mind removed from ta head, physically all at once, is far better than absorbtion abd only 3 fighters in all of jojo tanked whitesnake. Got the scans, ya wanna look?
Soul actually is mentioned, but got the scans for that too. Yeah the jojo profiles lack things Noriaki Kakyoi being an example.
Not quite man, even if that was how that wirked that would mean all jojo humans get mind hax resistance, even though litterally having your mind removed from ta head, physically all at once, is far better than absorbtion abd only 3 fighters in all of jojo tanked whitesnake. Got the scans, ya wanna look?
Soul actually is mentioned, but got the scans for that too. Yeah the jojo profiles lack things Noriaki Kakyoi being an example.
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So are we waiting for a CRT?
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From what I've seen, Reality overwrite is completely broken, but beyond that, I don't see any other way for HA Dio to beat AoC. Honestly, I'm neutral on this.
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But that way is the only way dio needs.
Also maybe?
Waiting on a calcukation .
Also maybe?
Waiting on a calcukation .
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