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Gwynbleiddd's unfinished Naruto and Bleach revision projects?

@Ant

I agree we can't just change everything suddenly. I just pointed out that there's nothing that justifies Yhwach being above Planet level. Him being "At least Planet level, possibly far higher" reminds me of how we used to rank Saitama as "At least Planet level, likely astronomically higher".
 
Well, as you said, 3x Planet level at the very least does qualify for the rating.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
So I guess he wanted to downgrade Bleach to 6-A because that's what the best feats he calculated wield.
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Why 6-A and not the High 6-A high end?


We where using the Moon level high end from the other calc so...


Also, the low end is not really that far from High 6-A either
 
I guess High-End is fine. We could use a mid-end by adding the low and high ends and dividing them by 2 if it's controversial.
 
I agree with High 6-A high end because Aizen 6-A feat was a sealed casual one.
 
Im sorry if im not allowed to comment here, I just saw the recent replies and assumed non-staff was allowed to comment here.

Anyways, @Matthew

If the feat Yhwach was going to do is filled with that many unknowns, then wouldnt it be better to either rate him as "Unknow" or "Unknow, Possibly 5-B" ?
 
How many times were the scans saying ERMAGERD THE WURLDZ GUNNA END WE ARE ALL DED.

Seriously "breaking down the dimensions and roaming around" made me laugh.

About the SKP though unless theres a statement about ichigos speed it wont be changing. Yes its a large lowball but it is all we have at the moment.

I also agree with Yhwach just being 5-B.

The issue is Ichigo and Aizen. Kk suggested we make them At least High 6-A, Likely 5-B. Or something to that effect.

Well that can be discussed in a separate thread
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
If the feat Yhwach was going to do is filled with that many unknowns, then wouldnt it be better to either rate him as "Unknow" or "Unknow, Possibly 5-B" ?
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Unknown. Possibly 5-B would be okay. It's up to the staff consensus.
 
Anyway, I have to confess I actually forgot this was a Staff Only thread. Deleting my previous discussion with the newby member to not clutter this thread.
 
@Aizen

"How many times were the scans saying ERMAGERD THE WURLDZ GUNNA END WE ARE ALL DED."

This is actually a strawman of my argument. My argument is that a statement in-itself doesn't prove anything. And "The worlds will merge" by itself also doesn't inform us of the timeframe, method, and the details of what this implies.

There's a reason that a far more straightforward statement of "I will destroy the entire Solar System" is so wildly controversial, and only accepted because a member did serious digging and showed that it is repeated in every source imaginable, and even then plenty of staff members disagree with it.

"Seriously "breaking down the dimensions and roaming around" made me laugh."

That's a legitimate interpretation of "Merging the three worlds". You don't need to literally fuse landmasses to fuse dimensions. You could simply shatter the barriers separating the dimensions and connect them through dimensional portals and whatnot.

Regardless, I think we should focus on the main issue of this thread.
 
This is actually a strawman of my argument. My argument is that a statement in-itself doesn't prove anything. And "The worlds will merge" by itself also doesn't inform us of the timeframe, method, and the details of what this implies.

  • Except that we have already accepted these world/dimension manipulation feats based on the size of said dimension, even without the timeframe/method/etc.
That's a legitimate interpretation of "Merging the three worlds". You don't need to literally fuse landmasses to fuse dimensions. You could simply shatter the barriers separating the dimensions and connect them through dimensional portals and whatnot.

  • Yhwach's feat just literally said "merging the three worlds". There was no mention of dimensional portals and whatnot, except that Yhwach was just going to merge three of them into a single one. Stop bringing your own interpretations into this.
Anyways, I feel like checking Gwyn's Bleach calcs since I got nothing better to do (plus it would give me a chance to read Bleach on the side, which is always nice).
 
I think that a straight 5-B for Yhwach, and "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B" for Aizen and Ichigo seems fine.
 
"Except that we have already accepted these world/dimension manipulation feats based on the size of said dimension, even without the timeframe/method/etc."

Excuse me, but the timeframe and method of a feat is always needed. This is just like saying that a destroying a city over a period of 1 hour if City level simply because of the size of the city.

"Yhwach's feat just literally said "merging the three worlds". There was no mention of dimensional portals and whatnot, except that Yhwach was just going to merge three of them into a single one. Stop bringing your own interpretations into this"

No, without clarifications of how exactly it happens, it's just a vague statement. I'm not bringing my interpretations, I am instead showing alternatives to how it could have happened.

We don't know how it would happen, or which timeframe, and what exactly would it entail. Interpreting it as "The landmasses literally fuse together" is just as baseless.
 
Antvasima said:
I think that a straight 5-B for Yhwach, and "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B" for Aizen and Ichigo seems fine.
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I would rather go with "At least High 6-A, likely / possibly 5-B" for all three.
 
I think we should leave Yhwach at 5-B, and focus on the other ratings after the revisions have been completed.
 
@Matthew

Well, I think that we should interpret Yhwach's feat as 5-B. It falls under reality warping after all, and we gauge that by size/scale, in lack of better options.

@Lina

Thank you very much for helping out with this.
 
Well, regardless, your various discussions here are technically derailing the thread from its original purpose, which was to investigate Gwynbleiddd's calculation results, find out which characters that should scale from them, and fill in the missing parts with more calculations.

As it is, given that the discussion here has turned incoherent, we may need to restart the thread again for a clean slate.
 
No problem, although I think that you should let Lina, and people knowledgeable about Bleach and Naruto, such as LordAizenSama, handle the progression of this thread from now onwards.
 
I disagree with the likely Planet level rating because Yhwach was portrayed as a glass cannon, Aizen and Ichigo did got a boost in their power but not this much as Aizen never damaged Yhwach and Ichigo was only able to cut him only when he was distracted or left without his powers.
 
However, if we are going to continue arguing about this here, we will likely need a separate discussion thread in which Lina and other members can try to manage the actual project with organising Gwynbleiddd's calculation results, filling in the missing parts with new calculations, and figuring out which characters that should be scaled from them.
 
Tell me where it is stated that Yhwach has become more durable than before? and tell me how Ichigo powerup made him superior to the most powerful being in the verse if Yhwach was playing with him and destroyed his bankai with ease?, if Uryu did nothing he would have stomped him.
 
Because in the Bleach verse Reiryoku = ap and sometimes dura (Arrancar's Heirro) and Reiatsu = dura. Examples including Ichigo vs Zaraki how Ichigo was not able to cut him because of his massive reiatsu and when Ichigo was honing his Reiryoku he was then able to cut him (also Zaraki vs Nnoitra. Same thing happened but this time with Zaraki). Aizen stating a battle is a battle of reiatsu.

But those don't even matter since Yhwach would scale to Ichigo and Aizen taking hits from him either way. Ichigo was also stated in the novel to be a replacement for the Soul King.

Edit: Anyway, as Ant said, we should make a seperate thread for these kind of posts. It's getting off topic.
 
The argument about the receplament could apply to anyone as Ukitake was willing to become one, if that is what Gwyn wanted then the low-end and possibly/likely should be not used.
 
I personally agree with KuuIchigo, but again, let us allow the people who are willing to organise this project to do so, without off-topic distractions.
 
KuuIchigo said:
Because in the Bleach verse Reiatsu = ap and dura. Examples including Ichigo vs Zaraki how Ichigo was not able to cut him because of his massive reiatsu and when Ichigo was honing his reiatsu he was then able to cut him (also Zaraki vs Nnoitra. Same thing happened but this time with Zaraki). Aizen stating a battle is a battle of reiatsu.

But those don't even matter since Yhwach would scale to Ichigo and Aizen taking hits from him either way. Ichigo was also stated in the novel to be a replacement for the Soul King.

Edit: Anyway, as Ant said, we should make a seperate thread for these kind of posts. It's getting off topic.
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I know im not a staff member but i think this help your argument kuu https://plus.google.com/115262547992321571782/posts/JN6Gko5Ap1T
 
Lina has currently turned inactive from the wiki, so I would appreciate if other calc group members could help out with taking over this project.
 
I referred to both, but Lina just messaged me that he has changed his mind again, and will give this wiki another chance.
 
I do not know. Lina might stay, or he might not. He seems undecided.
 
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