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Guy with a truck and some very bad luck vs Cuelex Assassins

I mean, you were the one that accepted the processing speed was bad in the first place, why are you falling back on this to fit your argument? Also, this is common sense, you cannot argue that processing speed is reaction speed in good faith.
 
InfiniteDay said:
The FTL reactions are stupid as they processed information in nanoseconds, and processing speed is a completely different thing from reaction speed. Thus, we have used Hypersonic (the speed a type of marine can attack and react) for their speed here, as the feat in question was both reaction and attack speed.
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I mean Assassins are often depicted as superior to Marines which means they are a higher level of Hypersonic than Marines, either way you yourself stated that explosions are Hypersonic so if their reactions are Hypersonic they could potentially react to the explosion.

Theres also the fact that highly experienced and trained marines usually are given FTL reactions meaning if Assassins are faster than them then them having FTL reactions could be legit.
 
Also, here is the last thread, it was slightly different in location, but it didn't matter much if at all.

This basically everything that has happened: "Dr. Gerald has been: caught on fire; trampled; dropped several stories onto concrete; shot; run over by several vehicles; badly cut; given amnesia; dragged through several kilometers of [DATA EXPUNGED]; eaten; blown up; frozen; asphyxiated; hit repeatedly with several blunt instruments; electrocuted; bitten; and in one incident, was mentally reconfigured...".

Most of these aren't anomalous, and in the comments he also got his tie stuck in a paper shredder. While blowing things up seems to be what is most prevalent, he has all these other bad luck scenarios that aren't supernatural, just anomalously bad luck. Like Iaptis said, it's unconventionally supernatural, and because negating warp related supernatural powers DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN JUST NEGATE EVERY SINGLE SUPERNATRUAL POWER IN FICTION, and the fact that geralds luck most likely doesn't fit under what a warp based power would be in Warhammer, it wouldn't fit under Culex's power null equalization (check the last thread), would lead to how I described the events would go, which makes a massive semi-truck explosion that one shots Culex in 99/100 scenarios. (his 7-C feats some from rollerblades, a semi-truck would be far greater than that)

And, it has been shown his bad luck can actually save him (Dr. Clef went to Dr. Gerald's office with a shotgun, saw his tie got stuck in a paper shredder, and got him out, proving that his bad luck can activate in ways that don't seem very convenient, but can be)

And for the last FTL feat, that was against a daemon prince, which daemons are notorious in giving Culex fighters a massive stat amp do to them absorbing their warp energy, which can explain how a Culex was able to react and kill one of them)

And for the hypersonic, explosions are at least hypersonic and on the at least 1600m/s scale at that, which is too much for Culex to react to, and as I explained actual explosives are 4000m/s to 10300m/s, which is Hypersonic+ to High Hypersonic, which is far more then Culex can react to.

All in all, it's a very close match, but from the last thread and this, Gerald narrowly gets this win.
 
gerald is passivelly incapacitated, aka he doesn't drive anyone, aka his powers stop working, aka vehicle doesn't explode
 
Gerald isn't dead, he has a seizure, read his profile, his powers don't just "stop working", and assuming that your passive powers stop working when you have a seizure (ie incapped) is stupid, as his powers are still there, and he isn't dead. Also, he just needs to be in a vehicle, not driving. Where did you get that he needs to be driving for his powers to activate? And now you are making baseless assumptions on how his powers work that contradicts what are in his SCP profile and person profile.
 
geral's powers only work when he's driving, if he's incapacitated he's by fact not driving

the powers stop working
 
He just needs to be controlling it in any form, if he is having a seizure and the car is still moving as a result, or his foot is still on the pedal, he is still controlling it's trajectory. He doesn't need to be driving, just controlling the vehicle he is in any way for his powers to still be activated.
 
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Do you have no clue what the word "controlling" means?
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A seizure isn't a complete incapped, he isn't knocked out, he still has some control of his body, and if he falls to the floor in the driver seat he wouldn't just be in the passenger seat and not affect the pedals, he's in the drivers, and thus would fall ONTO THE PEDALS, and thus would determine the behavior of the semi-truck.
 
no, just because you are on top of the pedals it doesn't mean that you are piloting the vehicle, also the chances of him falling exactl on the pedals is very much NOT assured, as it's much more probable he falls to the sides

besides, he would just crush into a random tree and cause the truck to explode, leaving him powerless, while the Culexus can just move out of the way/phase out of reality
 
Did I specify the environment? Did I specify where he is driving? Did I specify SBA setting?

The answer to these is no, and thus we have no trees. And HOW DO YOU NOT GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD, he needs to control the vehicle he is in in any way, and his powers are activated. Also, I have cleary set up the scenario that would be most likely to happen, where Gerald has a seizure, Culex intags and comes into the vehicle for a one shot (he has FTL processing speed, he is also a Genius, he knows that Gerald just dies if he touches them, so he uses his Hypersonic reactions and intags, and moves into the vehicle for a easy one-shot which he knows will happen, and Geralds explosion+durability negation one shots Culex.
 
also, Culexus are top of the art assassins and going close to a target to a target you can just shoot from afar is a thing not even rookie assassins would do
 
So im confused, why couldnt a Culexus just shoot him with the head laser and then leave? Its not out of character to do so afaik.

Honestly im leaning Incon since both have legit wincons and its entirely dependent on how the Assassin interacts with the situation and this is a group not an individual which means we technically dont have a specific go to fighting style. Some Culexus may be more cautious then others.
 
Ah, ok. He runs into one, and... why would the semi-truck explode now? It is shown in his chat logs that his bad luck also keeps him alive if it is convenient, like Dr. Clef walking in when he has his tie stuck in a paper shredder.

And because he runs into a tree and his truck gets hit, and the fact that Culex knows he is incapped LIKE YOU KEEP SAYING, why would he not just intag and get a easy soul kill? He has no reason to shoot him, when it is clear that he opponent is defenseless. Also, shooting from a distance when he is that close to Gerald is completely uncharacteristic for Culex, they prefer melee combat in close combat scenarios, and there long-range weapon is precisely that, for long-range. Gerald ran into some tree close by, why would he charge up his primarily long-range laser for a medium-range to close-range scenario? This makes no sense.
 
Also, against non-psychic targets, they seem to just instill massive fear, nothing about seizures from what the main wiki and other sources say.
 
Give me a single source of them using lasers against close range targets in actual canon. And in fact, a single source of them using lasers against close range targets that are incapped.
 
ah yes, i have to specifi why a goddamn assassin would touch a target their don't know anything about instead of just using their goddamn weapon

[btw, not long range, dozens of meters is the range of normal guns]
 
InfiniteDay said:
Also, against non-psychic targets, they seem to just instill massive fear, nothing about seizures from what the main wiki and other sources say.
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No, they straight up have caused normal people and Tau to have seizures and convulsions.
InfiniteDay said:
Ah, ok. He runs into one, and... why would the semi-truck explode now? It is shown in his chat logs that his bad luck also keeps him alive if it is convenient, like Dr. Clef walking in when he has his tie stuck in a paper shredder.

And because he runs into a tree and his truck gets hit, and the fact that Culex knows he is incapped LIKE YOU KEEP SAYING, why would he not just intag and get a easy soul kill? He has no reason to shoot him, when it is clear that he opponent is defenseless. Also, shooting from a distance when he is that close to Gerald is completely uncharacteristic for Culex, they prefer melee combat in close combat scenarios, and there long-range weapon is precisely that, for long-range. Gerald ran into some tree close by, why would he charge up his primarily long-range laser for a medium-range to close-range scenario? This makes no sense.
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Cause its just as easy to shot him with a Laser and be done with it, Culexus very commonly use their lasers, probably more so than their soul touch. They are not inherently aggressive.
 
Well I mean, if you cannot back up your statement with actual proof, and from what I have seen and read they don't laser close-range targets, and with their FTL processing speed see that this is a regular human.

So please I beg you, give me a feat or something which proves they use lasers on close ranged targets.
 
What do you mean I haven't? I have posted multiple screenshots to back this up, and with these two being the only two things that you can go on, along with posting screenshots of what's within this and others to back up my statements, your side seems to be unable to back up your evidence. If you like, I can back up any further misconceptions or question about Gerald with screenshots from these 2 sources.
 
you'd have to provide proof that the Culexus act as you say

because you are making them out to be prett much suicidal, which is a lot more assumptios thant "shoot target within laser range"
 
But how is it suicidal? How is it possibly suicidal? The man is incapped and his main attack as far as Culex knows is gone, your assuming Culex has full knowledge of Geralds powers.
 
I wasnt talking about Gerald, dont act like we are the only ones making claims about Culexus and how they act, you are doing the same thing.
 
InfiniteDay said:
But how is it suicidal? How is it possibly suicidal? The man is incapped and his main attack as far as Culex knows is gone, your assuming Culex has full knowledge of Geralds powers.
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The culexus comes from a verse where a wrong move makes you lose your head, he wouldn't just lower his guard because it looks like he's won

besides, shooting is waaaaay efficent than just walking up to the body
 
He would still be stealing or intaging, i've never said he wouldn't be careful. And, he knows this guy is a regular human (FTL processing speed should give him this conclusion), he would still be careful, he wouldn't be careless, but since he's incapped and in close-range he wouldn't just wait and gather up enough their own negative warp energy to kill them in a blast, and since close-range should mean close-range attacks, your wouldn't just reload your gun after incapping somebody at close range when you have a knife that can do it quicker and more efficiently.
 
Alright lets say what you say its true, Assassin goes in for the kill via touch. Assassins are fully and completely willing to die to kill someone and wouldn’t instantly go for the touch which would insta kill Gerald but the truck explodes so now both are dead and the fights is an incon since both are dead.
 
As soon as he stops intagging or stealths into the truck, the truck explodes which kills him, this would happen before Culex touches him. And in the laser scenario, he charges up his laser, shoots it, and the truck explodes, killing Culex before he can escape the blast radius. (The roller skates explosion has a blast radius of 23.5 meters, or or 77 feats. Because this is central park and trees are everywhere, it's safe to say there is a tree in his path that he will crash into before he reaches this, or slightly after, and considering that things is a several magnitudes greater explosion that what the rollerblades would output, him shooting the laser kill Culex (Regular explosions are still 1,600 m/s to 1,800 m/s, which is High-End Hypersonic and Low-End Hypersonic+ respectively, which is faster than Culex can react, and in the case of a actual explosive which is probably what would happen, it's 4,000 to 10,300m/s)
 
InfiniteDay said:
As soon as he stops intagging or stealths into the truck, the truck explodes which kills him, this would happen before Culex touches him. And in the laser scenario, he charges up his laser, shoots it, and the truck explodes, killing Culex before he can escape the blast radius. (The roller skates explosion has a blast radius of 23.5 meters, or or 77 feats. Because this is central park and trees are everywhere, it's safe to say there is a tree in his path that he will crash into before he reaches this, or slightly after, and considering that things is a several magnitudes greater explosion that what the rollerblades would output, him shooting the laser kill Culex (Regular explosions are still 1,600 m/s to 1,800 m/s, which is High-End Hypersonic and Low-End Hypersonic+ respectively, which is faster than Culex can react, and in the case of a actual explosive which is probably what would happen, it's 4,000 to 10,300m/s)
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Not if the Culexus stays intang until their hand is basically on Geralds body, sure they would explode and die but since the instant they stop being intang they would touch Gerald and hed die. Im voting Incon.
 
Fair point, they both have a wincon, so I believe I messed up with the counting.

In the scenarios we listed, there is 2 Incons, 2 Gerald Wins and 1 Culex Win.

Your vote is also counted.
 
do you have proof that gerald's power works on a vehicle that is not moving ? because that would be what happenes when the semi-truck hits crashes

also, proof that he can crash a vehicle without it exploding ?

also, the effect of gerald's powers would extend to vehicles other than his, so the Culexus would see vehicle explode at random and thus just shoot

also also, FTL calculation speed doesn't allow someone to determine if someone else is just a normal human, so that point there is completly moot against the Culexus just shooting
 
Crashed this:
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Also, where did you get that when he crashes something it explodes? Most of his incidents have not been related to explosions, check his personal profile, it lists off every incident he has been apart of. While explosions are prevalent, he isn't exploding his vehicles most of the time.

And yes, because our vehicle is still moving, it's just crashed into the tree and thus is stalled. Gerald's bad luck is also convenient is certain ways, as when he got his tie in a paper shredder (I guess the paper shredder technically counts as a vehicle?), Dr. Clef came in near the last second and got him out. Also, if the explosion happened before he fired his shot, Culex shouldn't be able to react in time (like I said, explosions are at least 1,600m/s, and actual explosives are at least 4,000m/s, which is likely what happens because he turned a oil tanker into a bomb). Also, if he is someway controlling the vehicle, his powers are active. The vehicle is stalled, but since he is still on the brakes/gas, his powers are still active.

Also, genius intelligence + FTL processing would give him a pretty good clue that Gerald is a regular human, and him shooting the laser either makes Gerald win because it exploded before he could or its a incon because Culex dies of explosion and Gerald dies of laser. I've already laid out the scenarios, and I will fix them one last time.

Gerald has 3 ways to win (if Culex sneaks, if Culex stops intaging before Soul touch, or truck explodes before culex laser), there is 2 ways to incon (Laser and explosion, soul touch and explosion), and no ways for Culex to win (his power null is useless, and whatever he does to affect the truck makes it explode faster than he can react, so he can only kill Gerald by killing himself)

The only viable options here are incon and Gerald, you can choose whichever you like.
 
it litterally says in his profile that every vehicle he crahes explodes

no, if the vehicle is crashed, then it's very much not moving.

also again, the Culexus are accepted at FTL, so it doesn't matter [and doesn't matter what i said back a few days ago, i was mistake to not correct you on that point before]

also, one time is a just fluke, you need at least 2 exemples

genius itellivence + FTL processig VERY MUCH doesn't do that

also no, the Culexus would have 100% no reason to get close
 
Overlord775 said:
it litterally says in his profile that every vehicle he crahes explodes

no, if the vehicle is crashed, then it's very much not moving.

also again, the Culexus are accepted at FTL, so it doesn't matter [and doesn't matter what i said back a few days ago, i was mistake to not correct you on that point before]

also, one time is a just fluke, you need at least 2 exemples

genius itellivence + FTL processig VERY MUCH doesn't do that

also no, the Culexus would have 100% no reason to get close
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I have checked both of his main, it doesn't. When he got his tie stuck in a paper shredder it didn't explode.

Stalled≠stop moving

FTL processing speeds, you cannot just make it out that Processing = Reaction speed, because that isn't the case. Mentally reacting cannot be scaled to physically reacting, just like in the real world. IE: When taking a test to see how fast you can click, you processing the data before reacting and pressing the button.

The burden of proof is on you to disprove this, because you have no basis narratively.

Both of these allow for fast processing and good deduction, and with FTL processing that gives him enough time to both see and analyze his situation, he would be able to tell rather quickly that the driver is a normal human and the truck is accelerating at faster than normal speeds, which would make him intag, which is the whole basis of him intagging in the first place is him intaging because he knows that he will just crash into a tree, or just plain up dodging.

That is incorrect, as this is both close range, and his target and his weapon ae both neutralized (the semi-truck is stalled and unable to move beyond the tree and Gerald himself is having a seizure, so he no reason not to intag in and kill him. Plus, this isn't the only option, I also gave the laser option thought, and it's a incon or a Gerald win in both scenarios.

Don't grasp at straws and change your arguments to fit your flawed argument, just accept that Culex cannot win in this scenario, it's either a Incon or a Gerald win, you can choose one or the other, and if you still want to fit you argument you can vote for Culex. Whatever the case, I have layed out exactly what happens, and your only decent argument is the FTL one, which you say I should make a CRT for. But in good faith you cannot turn mental processing into physical reaction.
 
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