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Guenael Lee Is More Non-Existent Than Arc's Heterosexuality (Slight NEP Upgrade)

Because it seems he is only non-existent when he activates his ability, this is nature type 3 with aspects 1 and 3.
I am not here to downgrade neither will do in the future, but I hope you understand this
 
Dread said:
Because it seems he is only non-existent when he activates his ability, this is nature type 3 with aspects 1 and 3.
I am not here to downgrade neither will do in the future, but I hope you understand this
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Why does that make it type 3?
 
And you already attached proof of yourself.
He dies when Gremmy stops imagining that Guenael exists, as Gremmy is the one who created him with his imagination and whatever he imagines becomes reality.
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If he stops imagine that he exists, he was not nature type 1. He was only nature type 3.
 
Nature Type 1 doesn't denote that you have to be naturally non-existent to gain it, i have no idea where you got that from. Lee's Nature 3 is specifically regarding his mind, and not his soul. Which is what his Nature Type 1 would be.
 
Mind telling me how Gremmy stops imagining that he did not exist, even tho he does not exist anyway? There is a contradiction. Also, you said mind and soul are the same, so I don't see how your argument is valid. I am not talking about aspects, I am talking about nature.
 
Dread said:
Because he still exists, but paradoxically behaves as if they don't when attacked.
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He doesn't exist though? Version 2 is his very existence disappearing, he can't be attacked or sensed etc
 
Dread said:
Mind telling me how Gremmy stops imagining that he did not exist, even tho he does not exist anyway? There is a contradiction. Also, you said mind and soul are the same, so I don't see how your argument is valid. I am not talking about aspects, I am talking about nature.
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I took it as a play on Gremmy's words for him, saying he no longer exists in his imagination. What Gremmy did was for him to actually disappear
 
Dread said:
Mind telling me how Gremmy stops imagining that he did not exist, even tho he does not exist anyway? There is a contradiction. Also, you said mind and soul are the same, so I don't see how your argument is valid. I am not talking about aspects, I am talking about nature.
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Guenael's was using Version 3 when Gremmy did this, not Version 2 which is where his existence disappears.

Guenael did exist at this time, Gremmy EE'd him by using his ability.
 
Purgy said:
He doesn't exist though? Version 2 is his very existence disappearing, he can't be attacked or sensed etc
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There is a contradiction. Good that I asked how he died or what happens after. How Gremmy imagined he does not exist anymore, yet he already does not exist anymore? Like, this is not nature type 1. There is anti-feat here.
Malekith said:
I took it as a play on Gremmy's words for him, saying he no longer exists in his imagination. What Gremmy did was for him to actually disappear
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But he already does not exist. There is falsity.

I suggest, removing nature type 1 as the scan in reality suggest type 3 aspect type 1 and type 3 (since those two aspects are the same in verse)
 
Dread said:
There is a contradiction. Good that I asked how he died or what happens after. How Gremmy imagined he does not exist anymore, yet he already does not exist anymore? Like, this is not nature type 1. There is anti-feat here.

But he already does not exist. There is falsity.

I suggest, removing nature type 1 as the scan in reality suggest type 3 aspect type 1 and type 3 (since those two aspects are the same in verse)
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Read my recent post, Guenael wasn't nonexistent when Gremmy EE'd him
 
So he is not always non-existent? How is this nature type 1? Also, what is his 3rd Form? (please scan)

This looks like nature type 3
 
Dread said:
So he is not always non-existent? How is this nature type 1? Also, what is his 3rd Form? (please scan)

This looks like nature type 3
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They're already posted in the thread
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No he isn't always nonexistent, it's an ability that he toggles on and off and has multiple versions

There are three Versions
  • Version 1: His appearance/form no longer exists
  • Version 2: His very existence no longer exists
  • Version 3: His existence in peoples minds and memory no longer exists
He was in Version 3 when Gremmy EE'd him, so his very existence itself still existed at this time.
 
Eh? (btw thanks for the scans, I apologize, if I am disturbing you)

So wait, version 3 is not version 2 + his existence in people's minds and memory no longer exists?
I want this to be answered before I give my further input
 
Dread said:
Eh? (btw thanks for the scans, I apologize, if I am disturbing you)

So wait, version 3 is not version 2 + his existence in people's minds and memory no longer exists?
I want this to be answered before I give my further input
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No, Version 3 is separate, not all of them at once, we only see him use them individually, never at the same time iirc

Version 3 is only his existence in peoples memories/minds
 
Also I just realized this, but Gremmy should technically have resistance to Guenael's Version 3, though I won't argue for it here obviously.
 
Oh, this makes absolute sense, then. I am pretty sure that NEP 1 is said in the profile via ability or?
Naturally, he is not always nonexistent (only in his second version).

But also, if you ask me honestly, this is still not Nature type 1. Since version 1 and version 3 his nature still exist. And version type 2 is the only nonexistent, and it seems he only toggles on/off when someone attacks him and thinks as well.

This one is catchy. I guess the existence here refers to the soul instead of the abstract concept of someone's existence.
It could possibly acquire aspect 2. But I guess this is not the OP message.
As for nature, the ability makes him become NEP and when he becomes NEP he can think. So it's an ability to become NEP 3.
 
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Dread said:
Oh, this makes absolute sense, then. I am pretty sure that NEP 1 is said in the profile via ability or?
Naturally, he is not always nonexistent (only in his second version).

But also, if you ask me honestly, this is still not Nature type 1. Since version 1 and version 3 his nature still exist. And version type 2 is the only nonexistent, and it seems he only toggles on/off when someone attacks him and thinks as well.

This one is catchy. I guess the existence here refers to the soul instead of the abstract concept of someone's existence.
It could possibly acquire aspect 2. But I guess this is not the OP message.
As for nature, the ability makes him become NEP and when he becomes NEP he can think. So it's an ability to become NEP 3.
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Bump
 
Purgy said:
Didn't we already go over that? The ability needing to be activated doesn't invalidate it for Type 1...
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Alright, can it be said to be “via ability”? Otherwise, I disagree that he is NEP 1 alone
 
Dread said:
Alright, can it be said to be “via ability”? Otherwise, I disagree that he is NEP 1 alone
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It already pretty much is, the Vanishing Point and it's Versions are listed and explained on his profile

But sure, I don't mind if it's mentioned that he's not just passively in a state of nonexistence
 
Purgy said:
It already pretty much is, the Vanishing Point and it's Versions are listed and explained on his profile

But sure, I don't mind if it's mentioned that he's not just passively in a state of nonexistence
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Alright. Thank you. I agree with OP then.
 
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