Gremmy's meteorite calculations - Calc group members only

[Antvasima]

Continued from here:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1279391

Since the 3 different versions of the calculation are currently causing controversy, I have initiated this thread for simplified discussion regarding which one that is preferable:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...h_calc_-_Kenpachi_destroys_Gremmy's_meteorite

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...each_Calc_-_Kenpachi_Slays_A_Meteor_(Revised)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dariel_Senju/Bleach_Downgrade,_Gremmy_Meteor

IMPORTANT NOTE:

Given that the old thread went out of control, only our calc group members, DontTalkDT, and Executor N0 are allowed to reply to this thread, as they actually know mathematics, and are better able to evaluate the issue to seek a solution.

 

[Antoniofer]

Gwyn's calc and Dariel's calc has practically the same result, Gwyn is also knowledgeable in Bleach so I'm good with his Low-End.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I would have to take a closer look at what scaling is the best, but speed wise Gwyns is the correct one.

11 km/s speed only applies for things which dropped from deep space, as the value is the result of assuming that the gravitational potential energy the object would have, if approximately infinitely far away, is converted into energy.

Gremmy just created the meteor with reality warping and for all we know right where we see it. So it doesn't come from space.

Hence ablation speed should be used like Gwyn does.

 

[Liger686]

I'm fine with either Gwyn's calc or Dariel's calc, but I think I prefer Dariel's.

 

[Kepekley23]

Dariel's calc is looking good.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I personally like Dariel's calc the best. All scaling for the meteor is done with on panel objects/characters, unlike Piecer of Heaven's. Dariel and Gwyn both got the same result (basically) with different methods, so I am pretty sure one of those is accurate.

 

[Antvasima]

Just a reminder to not remove replies from DontTalkDT and Executor N0.

 

[Executor_N0]

I agree with DontTalkDT about not using the 11 km/s since it does not have a direct proof of the meteor coming from the space. So maybe I think that as there is apparently a preference in the scale made by Dariel we can use the size of the meteor he calculated, but use the speed that Gwyn used.

 

[Kepekley23]

The meteor was apparently on fire when it appeared, which only happens if the speed is 7.9km/s (at least)

 

[Executor_N0]

@Kep that was fire? seems to be just the clouds that the meteor was going through.

 

[Kepekley23]

This looks a LOT like fire.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I agree. Looks like fire to me.

 

[Executor_N0]

Now I agree, the image on the Blog made it seem like clouds to me. But this other image makes this clearer.

 

[Dark649]

Madara meteor and Fujitora had this fire.

 

[Antoniofer]

So Mach 23 with the size that Dariel calculated?

 

[DodoNova2]

I am sorry to speak but I know a lot of things about bleach, I would like to speak to express my opinion.

• Regarding the size of Seireitei, I honestly think it's the size of a City + as Dariel and Gwe say, in the fight against gerard, if he crashes on soul socity, he would destroy it after hitsugaya who repeated it many times, most of the time the hills are only going up in the anime (after what i know)

• I guess there is also a problem of hitsugaya that affects 20Km + about this, I have no argument

I agree with the results of Gwe and Dariel which uses relevant scan and consistent results (not only for the series but also maths and statemate) - I hope that my comment will not be deleted;

 

[Thebluedash]

I don't know that much about the context of the feat, but I do like Dariel's scaling more so than I do the others. The scans used are better than the one used in Piercer's calc, in my personal opinion.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, so the consensus seems to be to use either Gwynbleiddd's or Dariel Senju's calculation, alternately create a new version that mixes methods from both of them.

Please discuss which option that is preferable to use, so we can reach a conclusion. Thank you.

 

[Kepekley23]

I prefer Dariel's calculation.

 

[Golden_Void]

Dariel has better scaling but Gwyn uses a safer speed.

 

[Kepekley23]

Dariel's speed is closer to the actual thing. The meteor caught fire, and to catch fire you need to be traveling at 7.9km/s according to Antonio.

 

[Golden_Void]

Well in that case, 11km/s-70ishkm/s seems ok

 

[Kepekley23]

Yep.

 

[Executor_N0]

@Kep What is the source of this speed? I did a quick search and the value I found was Mach 5.

7.9 km/s If I am not mistaken it is the orbital velocity on the Earth's surface at the equator. Are you sure he did not miss the information?

 

[Kepekley23]

Antonio said the speed to catch was fire was the same as orbital speed, which, as you said, is 7.9km/s. Don't know where he got it from, though.

 

[Antvasima]

So what is the consensus here?

 

[Antoniofer]

Antonio said the speed to catch was fire was the same as orbital speed, which, as you said, is 7.9km/s. Don't know where he got it from, though.

It was from a youtube "physic", forget his name. I suggested to use the value based in it, Gwyn nor Xcano said anything bad about it, so we stated to use it.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

Have I commented here yet? I see that I have not. Okay then. I'll just copy and paste my first comment from the previous thread.

~ Copied text beginning.

I think it was agreed on by pretty much every active staff member that the results of the calc by Piercer of Heaven just seem a tad much.

Myself and POH disagree on Dariel Senju's calc because it is contradicted by Hitsugaya's weather abilities affecting an area with a diameter of 23.562 km and it still doesn't affect all of Seireitei (Yamamoto's Bankai is the only Bankai so far to affect all of Seireitei).

Given all this, Gwyn's estimate of a 32+ km Seireitei makes most sense for now (well makes sense to me at least).

Edit:

Using the meteor mass (lower end) calc'ed by Gwyn, and using meteor velocity of 7900 m/s (based on a suggestion by Kepekley) and 11000 m/s, then we get results of 8.3457 Teratons and 16.18 Teratons.

So:

Low end = 534.9 Gigatons

Mid end = 8.3457 Teratons

High end = 16.18 Teratons

^ As for which one of these to accept, I'll leave that to others.

~ Copied text end.

^ Matthew seemed to be fine with this one. But I'll wait and see what the calc group members say.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you. If the calc group members accept your version, it should be preferably moved to a blog post, together with any relevant scaling images.

 

[Executor_N0]

If the Gwyn calculation is more consistent with what is presented in the franchise and everyone is in favor of using 7.9 km/s as the minimum speed to catch fire, then I see no problem in using the Mid end of 8.3457 Teratons of TNT.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Is anybody willing to post a new blog calculation based on the above, so we have something to link to in the profiles during the Bleach revision?

 

[Kepekley23]

I'll do it.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[Kepekley23]

Here.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Bleach:_Gremmy's_Meteor_(Revised)

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you, but it might be best if you include the entire calculation process, as well as the scaling images, to simplify things for future visitors to this site.

 

[Kepekley23]

I linked to Gwyn's calculation, which was the basis for the new calculation.

 

[PaChi2]

@Kep What is the source of this speed? I did a quick search and the value I found was Mach 5.
7.9 km/s If I am not mistaken it is the orbital velocity on the Earth's surface at the equator. Are you sure he did not miss the information?

I'm not calc member and Im not sure if what Im asking is correct, but is it possible to make a calc assuming mach 5 as a low end, and the other one for high end?

 

[Kepekley23]

I'd rather not keep up with this stream of new calculations when we already have an usable and reliable one, so no. Sorry.

 

[Antvasima]

@Kepekley23

Okay. Never mind then.

I would appreciate if the other calc group members could decide which of the results within your calculation that should be used.

After that, somebody will have to start a Bleach revision thread, but it should be made clear from the beginning that the verdict is not up for discussion, we simply need help to apply it.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

I'd be happy to implement whatever result is accepted. Will also remove any versus thread results which will be affected by the new scaling.