Gremmy's meteorite calculations

[Piercer_of_Heaven]

Damage3245

Never insulted anybody here.

This is another problem, did you not see the calc I made in this comment section, correcting the problems in all calcs?

How long is that going to be ignored?

 

[Damage3245]

> In the seireitei there are also the houses of the royal families, central 46, stores or restaurants of the noble families besides having the research center and medical center and the headquarters of the 13 divisions.

All of which make sense in something the size of a huge city; not something hundreds of kilometres across.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

High 6-A Bleach is an outlier anyway.

 

[Piercer_of_Heaven]

@Matthew Schroeder That's not the legitimate result but even if it was, it wouldn't be an outlier.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yes it is. Nothing else comes beyond High 6-C. High 6-C to Low 6-B is far more consistent.

 

[AppleLord]

• The shape/structure of the buildings shown in the middle look different in the two images.

What happened here, exactly?

The hill was replaced by a tower of the same height.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

@Matthew do you realise that only ones scaling to High 6-A are legit the most powerful beings in the verse? Everyone else is legit way way below anyone like EOS Kenpachi or Gerard.

I understand you don't like Bleach for whatever reason but you gotta be objective

 

[AppleLord]

How come Seireitei be that small when there are Cities inside of it?

 

[Piercer_of_Heaven]

@AppleLord Also mountain ranges and vast forests in every Squad Barrack.

 

[Damage3245]

Since are there multiple cities inside of it? I heard there's districts to it.

 

[Dark649]

@Matthew do you realise that only ones scaling to High 6-A are legit the most powerful beings in the verse? Everyone else is legit way way below anyone like EOS Kenpachi or Gerard.

The calc that puts them at High 6-A is being revaluated and the results do not tend to that value.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Literally every calc but one displays 6-C to Low 6-B results. The High 6-A is both the mathematical outlier and the in-verse outlier as nothing justifies such an absurdly huge jump in power.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Spamming something which isn't accepted to clutter the discussion isn't going to take you anywhere. If anything, it is annoying.

 

[AppleLord]

Since are there multiple cities inside of it? I heard there's districts to it.

I place the scans here.

 

[Dariel_Senju]

How come Seireitei be that small when there are Cities inside of it?

You must be referring to the Soul Society not the Seireitei, Seireitei is itself a city that only has buildings and some other places inside as always shown, it is the central part of the Soul Society where only the 13 divisions of Shinigami are housed, relevant families, etc.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I still think that Senju's calc is by far the most accurate with the displayed size in the artwork.

 

[AppleLord]

How come Seireitei be that small when there are Cities inside of it?

You must be referring to the Soul Society not the Seireitei, Seireitei is itself a city that only has buildings and some other places inside as always shown, it is the central part of the Soul Society where only the 13 divisions of Shinigami are housed, relevant families, etc.

No. I'm talking about Seireitei. Soul Society is the planet.

 

[Piercer_of_Heaven]

@Matthew Schroeder

In case you didn't realise, this post was made to decide which calc was legit. It's been pointed out several times that there are errors in each calc. Fortunately, I took my time to list the errors and redo the calc, in an attempt to fix all the problems that were there. I would appreciate it, if that wasn't ignored.

What's really annoying is people's lack of understanding on the simplest things and persisting to ignore relevant shit.

 

[Damage3245]

Hmm, fair enough. But without knowing the size of cities, we can't say how truly big the Seireitei is from that.

 

[Antvasima]

Let's remind everybody here that the people who are actually knowledgeable about mathematics (i.e. the calc group, DontTalk, and Executor N0) are the ones who are supposed to decide what is appropriate to use.

 

[AppleLord]

Hmm, fair enough. But without knowing the size of cities, we can't say how truly big the Seireitei is from that.

We do know it can't be that small when there is mention of at least three cities inside of Seireitei, and Hitsugaya's range contradicts the Seireitei been a City. There's also Yhwach claiming he will create a Country from Seireitei's structures when he pulls them up. And we see Ukitake in his barracks and he is gazing at mountains bigger than what Ichigo vaporized. In the image of Seireitei there aren't any mountains shown close to Seireitei of that size.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Piercer

I would appreciate if you wouldn't speak aggressively. No need to feel so invsted you run the risk of insulting people.

And Antvasima is right. People shouldn't choose results for personal preference.

 

[Dariel_Senju]

Something with the calculation of Gwyn that are not taking into account is that a High End, is that he himself mentions that the trunk he uses for Sokyoku scaling presents a variable height according to the images, the Renji panel running with Rukia from where the 101 meter size is the least consistent height, the most consistent height for that trunk is around 40-50 meters, as Gwyn mentions that his calculation based on 101 meters is a high end. I not only calculate that trunk once, I did it with all the images where it is shown and I could determine that 101 is a height inflated by that panel and that the consistent height is lower. If they used the low end of the Gwyn calculation which is 40 meters for the trunk it would give even less than my calculation of the size of the Seireitei.

Also I didn't calculate the Sokyoku only once, I did it with all the panels where it is shown and I can say that it is far from measuring almost 3000 meters as Piercer wants to show, the most consistent height in the different panels is around 390-420 meters, if you wish I can also give those results.

What without a doubt is that the Seireitei is far from having the size that is mentioned in several panels like that of 10 days of walking one gate of the other because they simply don't make sense, you just have to think that for the Shinigami of a certain level that distance is nothing because when they want to go long distances they only use Shunpo and they go through it in a couple of steps, the 10 days only seems like an excuse for the plot in that moment.

In the same way we have to question what was said by Hitsugaya about the area that affects his Bankai, because as it is usually done here feats and calcs >>> mentions.

 

[Piercer_of_Heaven]

@Matthew Schroeder When you've been trying to get something across several times and it is constantly being ignored, a bit of annoyance is the least you would expect.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I still think that Senju makes the most unbiased sense by far.

 

[Piercer_of_Heaven]

@Dariel Senju

And the high end makes the most sense because it actually fits in with everything we know about Seireitei.

The fact I could calculate it to be almost 3000 m means it can be scaled to be almost 3000 m.

Yeah, let's disregard key information in favour of low end results that are contradicted by higher end results which are supported by said key information.

 

[KazuiK]

What without a doubt is that the Seireitei is far from having the size that is mentioned in several panels like that of 10 days of walking one gate of the other because they simply don't make sense, you just have to think that for the Shinigami of a certain level that distance is nothing because when they want to go long distances they only use Shunpo and they go through it in a couple of steps, the 10 days only seems like an excuse for the plot in that moment.

The commander has banned the use of shunpo and flying in seireitei but when there is some case of invasion or war the use is allowed.

 

[AppleLord]

Scans that Proof that Seireitei isn't City size. I found this in a nutshell, maybe there are more scans that show evidence that I am missing.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't see how the existence of some hills deny it being city+ sized.

 

[KazuiK]

It's just a speculation but each division is the size of a city?

 

[AppleLord]

I don't see how the existence of some hills deny it being city+ sized.

Is called perspective. I see what you did there.

 

[AppleLord]

It's just a speculation but each division is the size of a city?

No. There are Cities inside Seireitei, and they aren't the same as the Division Barracks who have entire forest and small mountains in the background.

 

[Damage3245]

Yhwach making a 'country' doesn't mean much... We don't know how literal he is being or what sized country he intends to make.

The existence of other cities is also not good evidence because they don't even look that far away and estimating how big they are is impossible.

And if we're bringing up scans for Seireitei's size there's also this one... Hence you can see what there is so much discussion about it. Large cities can contain the hills & forests seen inside some of the scans you've linked AppleLord.

EDIT: And just because those training grounds are behind the barracks, doesn't mean they're still in Seireitei. If the barracks were on the edge for example, then behind them would be the land of Soul Society.

 

[Dr.Fix]

Senju's still looks the best and most consistant.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

A lot of people in real life have created their nations by conquering lands.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This is clearly a city

 

[Damage3245]

^ It's also more consistent with the wide double-page spread shot of Seireitei, and with the Silbern in relation to the meteor. ^

 

[AppleLord]

Yhwach making a 'country' doesn't mean much... We don't know how literal he is being or what sized country he intends to make.
The existence of other cities is also not good evidence because they don't even look that far away and estimating how big they are is impossible.

And if we're bringing up scans for Seireitei's size there's also this one... Hence you can see what there is so much discussion about it. Large cities can contain the hills & forests seen inside some of the scans you've linked AppleLord.

EDIT: And just because those training grounds are behind the barracks, doesn't mean they're still in Seireitei. If the barracks were on the edge for example, then behind them would be the land of Soul Society.

Everything you said comes down to that image, that was create by the author before he created the cities, forest, and mountains inside seireitei. He reckon it. What you said doesn't mean much. Even one Barracks have a moat of 250 feet wide.

Where is the Seireitei wall that protects it? I don't see it. Neither they I see the characters leave the Seireitei to the Rukongai. Burden of proof for your claim? I clearly see hills, mountains and forest inside Seireitei here, and there's nothing outside of it.

 

[Damage3245]

^ Wait, where do you see hills inside of Seireitei there except for the central one? All I see are loads of buildings.

Clearer image here.

Does anybody know the width of one of the doors? Surely Ichigo and company stood next to them earlier, yeah? So we can use that to figure out how wide the Seireitei is in that image.

 

[AppleLord]

This is clearly a city

Old sketch which was reckon by the author.