Gravity Falls: Low 1-C/1-B Upgrade (Pt. 2)

[StrymULTRA]

Considering that the old CRT is pretty much dead, this is going to be a follow-up of it, also to discuss new stuff that is brought up there.

I'll just summarize the old arguments of the old CRT, if anyone is curious.

Cosmology Upgrades

The Gravity Falls cosmology is Low 1-C, possibly 1-B according to this blog, due to it following the Brane cosmology, where the infinite Multiverse has up to 11 spatial dimensions, and the Nightmare Realm acts as the infinite-sized 5-D/12-D Bulk that encompasses all of it. Read it to get all the arguments.

An argument to fully get it to 1-B which I'd like to point out is that given that the Nightmare Realm is outside all the confirmed dimensions in the multiverse, encompasses all of them in itself, is outside laws, causality, physics and time unlike said dimensions, and is described as being an infinite universe twice, it would be straight up 1-B due to it being already an infinite 12-D universe that is above the confirmed dimensionality of the multiverse, which reaches 11-D.

Scaling Upgrades

Bill Cipher, unlike how it's explained in the profile, has objectively affected all the multiverse, due to the Weirdmageddon leaving anomalies across the multiverse, with the theme of the story also being Mabel being lost in the multiverse, to further solidify the intented meaning.

Because of this, Bill isn't just Low 2-C, but should be Low 1-C, possibly 1-B. Reasons are the following, other than the above:

• Stanford couldn't find an energy source strong enough to kill Bill despite creating something able to contain the rift (which was what what about to destroy the fabric of existence if it wasn't stopped) and making a portal with enough energy to shake the NR.
• Bill was flooding the multiverse with the Nightmare Realm, which would be in line with his plan to make existence itself without restrictions, laws, cause or effect (aka the same as the Nightmare Realm as said in the blog).
• Bill fought and defeated the Shacktron, the robot that was getting empowered from that same portal that shook the Nightmare Realm.
• Bill also wasn´t bothered from Time Baby claiming that the Rift would destroy the fabric of existence even after it was showcased as being a massive explosion.

Other stuff

New things brought up in the thread:

• New Shacktron profile
• Revised version of Bill's profile (credits to @Accelerated_Evolution who is the one who originally made it)
• New LS calcs for Bill and Shacktron, which would make them both Class G (check the new profiles linked above for reasonings).

Plus Bill Cipher and Stanford Pines should get their intelligence upgraded to Supergenius due to them creating stuff affecting the Tier 1 Nightmare Realm, for reasons already said in their profiles. Old Man McGucket as well, due to him building the Shacktron and fully using the power of the Interdimensional Portal for it.

Vote Tally

From the previous thread:

Agree (23): DarkDragonMedeus (1-B), Qawsedf234 (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Thelastmlg (1-B), TheOrangeGuy09 (1-B), Reiner04 (1-B), Eseseso (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Quintessence_PE (Low 1-C), ZeedKZ (1-B), Accelerated_Evolution (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B), Hellformer (1-B), TheShape03 (1-B), Georredannea15 (Low 1-C), ShionAH (1-B), ReaperAndBlues (1-B), Bernkastelll (Low 1-C, Possibly 1-B), Lloydblitzed (1-B), TheGreatJedi13 (Low 1-C), Spilxson2 (1-B), Planck69 (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B) CodeCCLL (Low 1-C), Aolphl (Low 1-C), LordGriffin1000 (Low 1-C), ProfectusInfinity (Low 1-C, possibly 1-B)
Disagree (6): Deagonx (Both Low 1-C and 1-B), Quintessence_PE (1-B), Georredannea15 (1-B), PonePoster (Both Low 1-C and 1-B), TheGreatJedi13 (1-B), CodeCCLL (1-B)
Neutral (2): Aolphl (1-B), LordGriffin1000 (1-B)

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Plus Bill Cipher and Stanford Pines should get their intelligence upgraded to Supergenius due to them creating stuff affecting the Tier 1 Nightmare Realm, for reasons already said in their profiles. Old Man McGucket as well, due to him building the Shacktron and fully using the power of the Interdimensional Portal for it.

I ain´t sure on that tbh, know how to use a weapon is easier than create one

 

[StrymULTRA]

I ain´t sure on that tbh, know how to use a weapon is easier than create one

He's Fliddleford, the one who helped Stanford to help the portal. Should have mentioned that as well.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

He's Fliddleford, the one who helped Stanford to help the portal. Should have mentioned that as well.

Do we know how much of "interference" he had on the portal creation? IIRC, the biggest part of it was only build by Ford and Bill

 

[StrymULTRA]

Do we know how much of "interference" he had on the portal creation? IIRC, the biggest part of it was only build by Ford and Bill

I mean, you have to be on the same range to be even remotely of help.

 

[Hellformer]

W

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I mean, you have to be on the same range to be even remotely of help.

Well, depends on what specific part you will help

I think i can agree with a "Likely/Possibly Supergenius"

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

I’ll look at the cosmology blog later, but everything else (scaling chains/feats/profiles) looks fine to me.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Cosmology Upgrades

I agree with Low 1-C, but I disagree with 1-B for even a possibly rating (the reasons have already been raised many times by many people).

Scaling Upgrades

It looks fine

New things brought up in the thread:

• New Shacktron profile
• Revised version of Bill's profile (credits to @Accelerated_Evolution who is the one who originally made it)
• New LS calcs for Bill and Shacktron, which would make them both Class G (check the new profiles linked above for reasonings).

Same

Plus Bill Cipher and Stanford Pines should get their intelligence upgraded to Supergenius due to them creating stuff affecting the Tier 1 Nightmare Realm

Ford's intelligence section needs improvement. (Specially about "Portal" , which is the justification for the Supergenius rating)

Old Man McGucket as well, due to him building the Shacktron and fully using the power of the Interdimensional Portal for it.

Well, depends on what specific part you will help

I think i can agree with a "Likely/Possibly Supergenius"

I agree with Accelerated Evolution. We don't know which parts Fliddleford provided assistance in, may be he only worked on mechanical parts, computers and software system.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I agree with Low 1-C, but I disagree with 1-B for even a possibly rating (the reasons have already been raised many times by many people).

@Qawsedf234 himself later on said that 1-B is fine as a possibly in the thread only to never reappear later.

It's more because of the nature of these dimensions being open to interpretation imo, as you can argue them being equally strings or branes, depending on what you think, not to mention that the NR would be still beyond the 4th dimension as the Time Island is outside it, but still part of the NR.

Ford's intelligence section needs improvement. (Specially about "Portal" , which is the justification for the Supergenius rating)

Right.

I agree with Accelerated Evolution. We don't know which parts Fliddleford provided assistance in, may be he only worked on mechanical parts, computers and software system.

Ic.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Do we know how much of "interference" he had on the portal creation? IIRC, the biggest part of it was only build by Ford and Bill

Wasn’t Ford referring to him when he was talking about 5D calculus stuff? I need to recheck that though.

 

[Thelastmlg]

changing my stance, i agree with 1-B now, the series seems to threat higher dimensions in general as superior enough to qualify

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

 

[Bernkastelll]

bump

 

[Aolphl]

I agree with Low 1-C, neutral on 1-B

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I was asked to comment on the previous thread but I don't have much free time to do so, and don't really wish to participate in threads related to Tier 1 thread and such. Looking over the previous thread, I think Low 1-C is fine but I can't realistically give any input/response to 1-B, this stuff is just out of my depth and I have to much going on irl right now. If the majority of members/staff who are well versed in Tier 1 think Low 1-C, possibly 1-B or just 1-B is fine or whichever I won't argue.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I was asked to comment on the previous thread but I don't have much free time to do so, and don't really wish to participate in threads related to Tier 1 thread and such. Looking over the previous thread, I think Low 1-C is fine but I can't realistically give any input/response to 1-B, this stuff is just out of my depth and I have to much going on irl right now. If the majority of members/staff who are well versed in Tier 1 think Low 1-C, possibly 1-B or just 1-B is fine or whichever I won't argue.

Do I list ya on neutral for 1-B?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Do I list ya on neutral for 1-B?

Yes, that's fine.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yes, that's fine.

What about the rest of the thread?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

What about the rest of the thread?

Scaling looks okay, I don't really have an issue with Shacktron getting a profile or Bill's update though their statistics will depend on this threads outcome, calc for Lifting Strength is accepted so I have no issue with that. I'm not the best when it comes to deciding what qualifies for Supergenius but it seems alright. Overall, I don't have much issue with the rest of the updates.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Neutral: LordGriffin1000 (Low 1-C)

Fix that, he was neutral on 1-B

 

[StrymULTRA]

Fix that, he was neutral on 1-B

Typo

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Agree with Low 1-C, possibly 1-B.

 

[BabyMario123]

Didn't those aliens crash their ship in 3D though? Wouldn't that mean that the 11th dimension isn't infinitely superior to the 3rd dimension?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Didn't those aliens crash their ship in 3D though? Wouldn't that mean that the 11th dimension isn't infinitely superior to the 3rd dimension?

No. HDE isn't = AP, otherwise every GF Human would be High 3-A just because they're 3D.

Only the size of the place matters, the stats of the inhabitants on the other hand isn't.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

himself later on said that 1-B is fine as a possibly in the thread only to never reappear later.

I said possibly for the same reason that Neptunia has it, in that you can make a sound argument but enough evidence for a hard rating.

 

[Georredannea15]

Well, still same. I agree with Low 1-C, disagree with 1-B ( Why it opened again? Wasn't Low 1-C already accepted?)

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Well, still same. I agree with Low 1-C, disagree with 1-B ( Why it opened again? Wasn't Low 1-C already accepted?)

Strym wanted to stuff like the blog and the Intelligence ratings to be accepted

He also wanted new opinions on the 11D stuff due to new arguments

 

[StrymULTRA]

I said possibly for the same reason that Neptunia has it, in that you can make a sound argument but enough evidence for a hard rating.

What about the rest of the thread tho (blog, calcs, etc.).

 

[Planck69]

I think Low 1-C, possibly 1-B is fine in the tiering aspect. My opinion on the rest hasn't changed from the last thread.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well, I'll apply the changes later when I'll get back on PC, I'm outside right now.

Well, depends on what specific part you will help

I think i can agree with a "Likely/Possibly Supergenius"

Will you do that in the meantime if you can before me?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Wll you do that in the meantime if you can before me?

Sure

 

[StrymULTRA]

I've applied also the Tier 1 ratings to also both Stanford and Old Man, as they can obviously reach such levels with tech as said in the CRT. We can close this thread as it's been applied.