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It's still open for debate, of course, but it isn't as clear-cut as stating that only wary or overhyping people talk about it. Yujiro did once, and the narration did twice, one of those two being very explicit.Okay then.
Venom I remember once that you brought up an feat that Musashi had going Mach 90? Is there anything for it?It's still open for debate, of course, but it isn't as clear-cut as stating that only wary or overhyping people talk about it. Yujiro did once, and the narration did twice, one of those two being very explicit.
Also, a question: How's speed in Baki? I feel like there are more feats and context but...
And yet none of this implies that he's above nukes, nukes aren't something that used by the army or state. That's something that has to be done by the president and then needs to be verified by the secretary of defense. That's not a standard protocol, unless Yujiro directly cites "The strongest weapon used by mankind." or outright "nukes" then we can't assume so.Again, to be fair, it wasn't only fearful people who compared Yujiro's might to nuclear weaponry or the army. As I cited, "Chapter 297, pages 9-10, Yujiro himself stated that even the entire power of a state and of the army couldn't defeat or match him.
We don't take statements from the narrator as something legitimate, that's not a valid source of information. For example, Kaido's title of the World's Strongest creature was removed because it came from the narrator, someone who doesn't have any real say when it comes to accurately gauging one's strength. And even if we did, that's just the Army. The Army doesn't use nukes, and the army isn't a special ops unit either. Nothing they have comes close to be tier 7.Chapter 260, the narrator himself in pages 11-12 stated that the army couldn't match him, it also cited the state, but it felt more like Yujiro intimidated the heads of state.
Hyperbole, first things first is that there's no country willing to "nuke a town just to kill you." and secondly none of that implies a point blank blast, Yujiro himself would only be exposed to a small portion of the blast. And that's only if we take it at face value, which i see no reason to considering narrator statements aren't valid.Chapter 263, page 5, the narrator again explicitly said that he was stronger than nuclear weapons, or at least explicitly stronger than a country that has the power and will to nuke a city."
Yeah and fortunately dropping nukes isn't a typical army measure. The Army doesn't conduct nuclear deployments, the Army is the ground troops unit.One of those was made by Yujiro, which can be taken with a grain of salt? He's usually pretty honest about his own capabilities, but he may be not talking about tanking a nuke, just not being defeated by conventional, army measures.
Read above.One of the narrator statements supports that at least a conventional army couldn't defeat him.
"Stronger than a country using a nuke on a town" =/= "Stronger than the nuke employed by the country."The last feat, however, of ch. 263, was pretty explicit in that Yujiro was "stronger than" a country using a nuke on a town. Maybe I'll re-read my ole stuff to see if I'm missing context.
The same 8-B attack that hurt Baki? 8-B isn't supportive evidence for 7-B anyway.And if I'm not mistaken, Baki's shadow image of Yujiro doing the 8-B feat (Or at least it was 8-B, I may me misremembering) was explicitly stated being still far weaker than what Yujiro really was.
They end up indirectly scaling to Yujiro's feat one way or another at the end of the day.I also fully agree with the scaling rework. The only problem that is needed to tackle is something that Ovens mentioned that is true: Very few people scale to the god-tiers, the most notable being Yujiro. But a LOT of people scale to those that scaled to the god tiers.
The narrator, at least to a certain point, needs to be valid, otherwise any narrated sequence that isn't explicit can't be measured. A character that is said by the narrator to go over the speed of sound wouldn't be.We don't take statements from the narrator as something legitimate, that's not a valid source of information. For example, Kaido's title of the World's Strongest creature was removed because it came from the narrator, someone who doesn't have any real say when it comes to accurately gauging one's strength. [...]
It was an hypothetic scenario. If it was the point, it doesn't matter if said object of analysis is true or not. (For example, if a feat says that a character could survive, say, being rammed by an elephant that weighs the same as a mountain, it doesn't matter that an elephant IRL can't weigh that, the feat is hypothetical, it is still valid as long as there is basis for that. Not saying Yujiro does have a basis, but hypothetical feats can be valid)Hyperbole, first things first is that there's no country willing to "nuke a town just to kill you." and secondly none of that implies a point blank blast, Yujiro himself would only be exposed to a small portion of the blast. And that's only if we take it at face value, which i see no reason to considering narrator statements aren't valid.
Not questioning that. I'm commenting that Yujiro is way above that feat, and during the fight with Yujiro, Baki tanked Yujiro going at full power."Stronger than a country using a nuke on a town" =/= "Stronger than the nuke employed by the country."
The same 8-B attack that hurt Baki? 8-B isn't supportive evidence for 7-B anyway.
Yeah. That somehow feels wrong, considering how Yujiro treats most of the cast, but I can't think of a much better solution without assuming a lot.They end up indirectly scaling to Yujiro's feat one way or another at the end of the day.
No that's not necessarily true either, there is of course a difference between narrations, from time to time we have narrators that are directly talking from the authors perspective, while in other cases it's meant to serve as a form of hype. It's a case by case basis and there's no reason to consider the narration here being the author talking to us directly.The narrator, at least to a certain point, needs to be valid, otherwise any narrated sequence that isn't explicit can't be measured. A character that is said by the narrator to go over the speed of sound wouldn't be.
Context matters which is something you seem to fail to understand. And also that example depends entirely on the anatomy of the elephant in question and if it even visually represents something around that size. I don't see the point in this post.It was an hypothetic scenario. If it was the point, it doesn't matter if said object of analysis is true or not. (For example, if a feat says that a character could survive, say, being rammed by an elephant that weighs the same as a mountain, it doesn't matter that an elephant IRL can't weigh that, the feat is hypothetical, it is still valid as long as there is basis for that. Not saying Yujiro does have a basis, but hypothetical feats can be valid)
That depends on the distance of the character, where they are and how big they are. Those characters who have theirs ranked upon surviving a nuke is due to them being at the epicenter of the blast itself. I.E right on top of them.Also, just to confirm it, in the wiki we do not consider statements of surviving a nuke as 7-B if all there is to the statement/feat is it saying that they can survive it, right? Because if so, I ought to look up some profiles that do rank characters based on that.
I wouldn't say tanked, Yujiro’s attacks dealt pretty heft damage to Baki, not enough to put him down but to day "tank." is definitely overselling it.Not questioning that. I'm commenting that Yujiro is way above that feat, and during the fight with Yujiro, Baki tanked Yujiro going at full power.
I'm genuinely curious why that'd be. I don't doubt it, it's just that it can be a feat for anything. I can see someone that is 9-B at most but going much faster being able to solo the Army.Also flat out saying it here, pretty sure soloing the US army is like 8-B at best going by a few profiles that use such as their basis.
Fair.No that's not necessarily true either, there is of course a difference between narrations, from time to time we have narrators that are directly talking from the authors perspective, while in other cases it's meant to serve as a form of hype. It's a case by case basis and there's no reason to consider the narration here being the author talking to us directly.
I understand. My point is that making a feat invalid because it is hypothetical/nothing in real life works like that isn't a good reason to.Context matters which is something you seem to fail to understand. And also that example depends entirely on the anatomy of the elephant in question and if it even visually represents something around that size. I don't see the point in this post.
Yeah, that's pretty much it. I've seen profiles that scale people to things such as nukes by generic statements without further context such as "surviving a nuke", but it's good to see that it isn't applicable as is.That depends on the distance of the character, where they are and how big they are. Those characters who have theirs ranked upon surviving a nuke is due to them being at the epicenter of the blast itself. I.E right on top of them.
Yujiro exchanged blows with him pretty equally, though. Initially Yujiro was dominating Baki and indeed wounding him seriously with each strike of his, but as the fight went, Baki managed to take several of his blows head-on pretty well. Case in point, Yujiro using Yuichiro's nunchaku technique on Baki, and Baki tanking it very well.I wouldn't say tanked, Yujiro’s attacks dealt pretty heft damage to Baki, not enough to put him down but to day "tank." is definitely overselling it.
Nope, I agree on bumping down to 7-C/Low 7-C as it is a much more safe place for them to be, in regards of consistency.So, so far, who is for what tier?
Tier 8-B / 8-A
Me
@LordGinSama
@Amlad22
Tier Low 7-B
@EliminatorVenom
@NotoriouSoda
Is that it?
Wait why tho?Also while not Baki news I know a lot of you are Kengan fans so I have very unfortunate news regarding Kengan.
Starting today Kengan Ashura and Omega will no longer be available in quality English scans until an official one is released. The company responsible for keeping up with the translations made an announcement that they'll stop producing translations and will shortly remove the current translations for Ashura and Omega off of various websites. So until we get official translations we're stuck with fan made translations or the RAWS.
Also yeah if it’s going back to 7-C it’s all goodNope, I agree on bumping down to 7-C/Low 7-C as it is a much more safe place for them to be, in regards of consistency.
Also, that's a shame about Kengan :c
Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but the company is trying to push for Kengan to get official English translations, and by doing this they assume it'll get the attention it needs to get an official release.Wait why tho?
****Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but the company is trying to push for Kengan to get official English translations, and by doing this they assume it'll get the attention it needs to get an official release.
Pretty stupid if you ask me.
Eh it was sir ovens that said it. However I’m fine with it being 7-C againWhat is the reasoning again for why the earthquake feat can’t be Low 7-C to 7-C?