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Sure, but in the end I believe Garou's win condition is far more easily achieved than any of Madara's. Which is why I think he'd win.
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(GRACE) Garou VS Madara
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Okay, so I can count your vote for Garou, right?
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Yeah, personally I think Garou has the ability to stall out past Madara's genjutsu and his BFR is a win condition.
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Not a thing. IR and passive radiation handles this.
Garou's radiation quite literally would incap Madara.
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It has already been debunked.
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Garou FRA btw
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From this scan, Garou has passive speed acceleration which make his speed growth endlessly. So what's make him difficult to blitz Madara?
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also with nuclear fission which can split atoms and produce nuclear explosions. Garou just hit Madara with his nuclear fission and split his atoms.
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I vote for Garou
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Counted.
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What debunk? Garou's radiation is planetary range. Even Madara using his Izanagi, Garou's radiation still will affected him
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Safe to say that going by how radiation affects solids it would probably make the paper harder and brittle. Might even make it break down on a cellular level through radiolysis since it's made of cellulosis and Garou is apparently more radioactive than an "Elephant's foot" irl, but idk if there are any studies on how much radiation would be needed for that or how badly it affects paper of all things.
That being said i dont think this will affect Madara that badly, since Edo tensei have some immortality type 2 to keep going even if a large part of his body is destroyed, has no organs or need for them, is constantly regenerating and reforming and Garou is nowhere near Godzilla's "instantly melt everything around him including lead" with his radiation.
That being said i dont think this will affect Madara that badly, since Edo tensei have some immortality type 2 to keep going even if a large part of his body is destroyed, has no organs or need for them, is constantly regenerating and reforming and Garou is nowhere near Godzilla's "instantly melt everything around him including lead" with his radiation.
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The argument is that Madaras physiology is like, paper based. So its not as if he had cells for the radiation to degrade. Plus, he does have regen for the degradation that may occer
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Did you forget his radiation effect for earth? Blast state it will become dead planet, and the sea starts become dark. I dont see why he can effect others like plant, land, etc
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If its not enought, Garou just do this and combined with nuclear fission which will split Madara's atom
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He just open his portal and combined with his nuclear fission which will split madara's atom
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Garou’s radiation could easily evolve, considering it went from downing heroes close to him to being able to instantly ko Tareo from a distance, it’d be easy to just say that Garou increases it to the point of complete annihilating Madara
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it does not only apply to living things, but also inanimate objects such as water are also affected. I don't see he can't make an effect on paper
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My dude, that is never stated.
And I'd argue it isn't even implied, downing the most badass, strong willed ************* right next to him? If he's giving off that much radiation I'd fully expect a child like 30ft away to get ****** over too tbh. Also "instantly", if memory serves, they never show that, we always just see him face down, for all we know that could've taken the whole time Garou was ******* with the other dudes. But given he's face down even after time travel, when other's aren't, that tells me he was actually the first dude who fell face first, not after the fact, truth of the matter is, Tareo just has the worst endurance out of anyone there.
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I mean, it’s a light speed radiation. any distance that tareo covers is kinda negligible to something that can circle the planet 7times a second. In any case, tareo is a child compared to the best of the best superheroes, yeah he’s gonna get KOed
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That means he can corrupted water just with his radiation. Why he wouldnt corrupted paper?
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Perhaps
although regardless, evolving radiation stronger is something he should be perfectly capable of
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dealing damage isn’t really the problem here tho. Garous ap is stupidly higher then Madaras already anyway. The only issue is the regen
Ok, madara becomes darker. Now what
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Madara gets cancelled instantly
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Dark Madara.
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Why? It isn't a skill, it's not an an ability or actual technique. It's just something he emits, he wasn't even aware that he was doing it at first. We don't really have reason to believe he could specifically amp it up better.
Could he whip out better radiation? Yeah probably, mimic a dying star or some shit. But the passive stuff? Nothing really indicates he can randomly evolve that, and even then, it's sure not something he'd try in character. Honestly, if you thought he could evolve it, you'd also think he'd be able to manipulate the output in general, like turning it down, and if he could just do that, he probably would've tbh, or at least not have a breakdown that he's the end of the world, even if he did off one dude, one dude isn't everything.
Garou probably wins anyway tho.
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This is a massive Nilf
theres nothing to support Garou's radiation destroying peoples souls.
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Can I consider this as a vote?
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You can if you want, if I see better arguments I'll change tho.
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also Garou once again has no answer for Madara's more potent Genjutsu, which isnt a small amount of layers stronger than baseline, it's 7+ and some of the layers are pretty large in terms of how effective they are. even if we assume Garou can adapt to this, there is no evidence that his going to adapt fast enough, corrolating how he adapts with raw stats is entirely different from adapting to resistances you need to first create and then add several layers to it.
We are not talking about Genjutsu that causes you to sleep so your enemy can attack you, im talking about genjutsu that straight up controls you and forces you to do the users bidding.
We are not talking about Genjutsu that causes you to sleep so your enemy can attack you, im talking about genjutsu that straight up controls you and forces you to do the users bidding.
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Garou still can control his own particles, and monster garou was able to change his physiology multiple times when evolving, which should be much less than what cosmic garou is capable of
I thought that the radiation not being controlled was due to him being influenced by god, which is why he wasn’t aware of what was happening even when blast told him, until Tareo died
and of course Saitama was immune to it to begin with so it wouldn’t have been something he did during the fight
but honestly considering nuclear fission attacks, he probably doesn’t even need to upgrade the passive radiation beyond what it already is, since it has already taken out 6-B characters (I think?) and garou has other ways of an incap with black holes and just brute forcing him into molecules since he’d figure out the regeneration the first time he sees it.
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what boring discussion of genjutsu is this here? for God's sake.
1. madara Never I repeat Never uses Genjutsu at the start of a fight. madara always, I repeat ALWAYS starts his fights with katon or taijutsu.
2. the time it takes madara to prepare any type of attack, jutsu, etc. is the time it takes the garou to point the finger at madara.
1. madara Never I repeat Never uses Genjutsu at the start of a fight. madara always, I repeat ALWAYS starts his fights with katon or taijutsu.
2. the time it takes madara to prepare any type of attack, jutsu, etc. is the time it takes the garou to point the finger at madara.
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