(GRACE) Finally a 2-A Pokémon vs Dragon Ball

[StrymULTRA]

Incredible, but these 2 are for some reason matched in AP, so:

2-A Demon God Demigra vs 2-A Darkrai, speed equalized.

Mind hax GG:

Sleep hax GG: 1 (theultimate5105)

TOO BIG: 10 (Rikimarox2, Crimson_Shadow101, Oleggator, sanicspood, Greenshifter, Havok, Gilad_Hyperstar, LightReinh12345, King_Clab, Ottavio_Merluzzo)

 

[Garchomp777]

Darkrai can put concepts to sleep, mindhax concepts, how does Demigra resist any of that? And why does Darkrai negate resistance to darkness manipulation

 

[theultimate5105]

I am pretty sure Darkrai just sleep haxes here

 

[Rikimarox2]

Don't know that much about darkrai, but isn't this an incon? Demigra can one shot or mindhax, and so can Darkrai.

 

[Garchomp777]

Don't know that much about darkrai, but isn't this an incon? Demigra can one shot or mindhax, and so can Darkrai.

Darkrai uses them in character more and scales far higher in AP, and resists conceptual level mindhax

 

[StrymULTRA]

Darkrai can put concepts to sleep, mindhax concepts, how does Demigra resist any of that? And why does Darkrai negate resistance to darkness manipulation

It doesn't say that on the profile...

 

[Rikimarox2]

Darkrai uses them in character more and scales far higher in AP, and resists conceptual level mindhax

Wait, how does Darkrai scale far higher in AP, and there is no mention of resistances to conceptual mind hax on his profile.

 

[Garchomp777]

It doesn't say that on the profile...

That's where his non-physical interaction comes from though

 

[Garchomp777]

Wait, how does Darkrai scale far higher in AP, and there is no mention of resistances to conceptual mind hax on his profile.

Resistance to creation trio abilities. Kinda vague on his profile

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wait, how does Darkrai scale far higher in AP, and there is no mention of resistances to conceptual mind hax on his profile.

^

Stop lying Garchomp

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Garchomp you gotta provide scans for stuff like this. Especially when it's stuff that has absolutely no mention on profiles. You've done this several times before already.

 

[Garchomp777]

^

Stop lying Garchomp

resistance to creation trio abilities

 

[StrymULTRA]

resistance to creation trio abilities

None of them being concept stuff for now

 

[Garchomp777]

None of them being concept stuff for now

Giratina do be having conceptual manip on his profile though

 

[Rikimarox2]

Just checked the creation trio's profile, and I ain't seeing any conceptual mind hax fuckery there. Also, I'm not seeing mind hax in any of their profiles in general, except for resistances. Does darkrai have their resistances?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Just checked the creation trio's profile, and I ain't seeing any conceptual mind hax fuckery there. Also, I'm not seeing mind hax in any of their profiles in general, except for resistances. Does darkrai have their resistances?

It was referring to just offensive powers ofc

 

[sanicspood]

so does darkrai resist any mind hax?

 

[Garchomp777]

Nevermind, just realised the trio doesnt have mindhax listed there
If only if the profile mentioned Darkrai as a dark type on lake trio level possibly resist lake trio mindhax

Anyone has examples of what Demigra uses at the start of the battle?

 

[Rikimarox2]

It was referring to just offensive powers ofc

Then Demigra can mindhax. Voting Incon since both can beat the other effortlessly.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

In con clus ive FRA

 

[sanicspood]

Nevermind, just realised the trio doesnt have mindhax listed there
If only if the profile mentioned Darkrai as a dark type on lake trio level possibly resist lake trio mindhax

Anyone has examples of what Demigra uses at the start of the battle?

pretty sure demigra starts with mind hax

 

[Oleggator]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[sanicspood]

incon fra

 

[VinnyXD]

How does Darkai do he's mindhax

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

What exactly denotes Darkrai’s mindhax being superior, when Demigra can mindhax Gods like Zamasu, who resist mindhax already?

 

[theultimate5105]

What exactly denotes Darkrai’s mindhax being superior, when Demigra can mindhax Gods like Zamasu, who resist mindhax already?

It can work on two creation trio members who both individually resist 2x 4D mindhax but Darkrai resists nothing so whoever hits first wins

 

[StrymULTRA]

What exactly denotes Darkrai’s mindhax being superior, when Demigra can mindhax Gods like Zamasu, who resist mindhax already?

No one said that yet, just that is a "who hits 1st" situation as Demigra doesen't resist sleep

 

[VinnyXD]

Doesn't sleep manipulation fall under mind manipulation

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

No?

 

[VinnyXD]

What exactly denotes Darkrai’s mindhax being superior, when Demigra can mindhax Gods like Zamasu, who resist mindhax already?

Dabura is the one that mindhax Zamasu. Demigra scales higher

 

[StrymULTRA]

Doesn't sleep manipulation fall under mind manipulation

It doesen't say so on the Sleep page

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

It can work on two creation trio members who both individually resist 2x 4D mindhax but Darkrai resists nothing so whoever hits first wins

^This.

Also, what says Demigra has the AP advantage as someone mentioned above?

 

[sanicspood]

^This.

Also, what says Demigra has the AP advantage as someone mentioned above?

who said that?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Wait, how does Darkrai scale far higher in AP

This gave me the impression that Demigra supposed to have the AP advantage

And if so, I’m asking how.

 

[Oleggator]

Doesn't sleep manipulation fall under mind manipulation

There's situations when characters can be sleeped via other things (Ana from overwatch for instance).
Sleep although comes from entire organism, not just brain.
I'll even use terminology: "Sleep is a naturally recurring state of mind and body, characterized by altered consciousness, relatively inhibited sensory activity, reduced muscle activity and inhibition of nearly all voluntary muscles during rapid eye movement (REM) sleep,[1] and reduced interactions with surroundings.[2]"

 

[StrymULTRA]

This gave me the impression that Demigra supposed to have the AP advantage

And if so, I’m asking how.

Both are around baseline, this Demigra is the base of the scaling chain

 

[VinnyXD]

There's situations when characters can be sleeped via other things (Ana from overwatch for instance).
Sleep although comes from entire organism, not just brain.
I'll even use terminology: "Sleep is a naturally recurring state of mind and body, characterized by altered consciousness, relatively inhibited sensory activity, reduced muscle activity and inhibition of nearly all voluntary muscles during rapid eye movement (REM) sleep,[1] and reduced interactions with surroundings.[2]"

Ah ok

 

[Rikimarox2]

^This.

Also, what says Demigra has the AP advantage as someone mentioned above?

My bad. I thought this was last key Demigra.

 

[VinnyXD]

How does Darkai do he's mindhax

I looked at older threads in it was said it's by portal is this still true?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I looked at older threads in it was said it's by portal is this still true?

Yep, it happens like in few seconds like Demigra's