Gouketsu Upgrade?

[Kachon123]

In chapter 75 of One Punch Man, Genos got one-shot by Gouketsu, and called Gouketsu's strength "Bottomless," and even compared his power to Saitama's. This is important because not only was Genos able to depict how strong the meteor was, he also saw Saitama destroy that meteor.

The meteor is currently rated at 6-C, so this will make Gouketsu, and people who scale to him also 6-C. This would make sense, as Gouketsu is depicted as a very strong Dragon lvl threat, as he was able to fodderize another Dragon lvl threat, Bakuzan.

What this would mean: "Likely/Possible" Ratings for all who would be scale.

 

[Theendzero13]

This seems ok for me but i will wait for more on the matter, since genos choice of words make the scaling a little iffy

That aside who would scale to gouketsu exactly?

 

[Damage3245]

This does not look good enough for a solid rating to me, given how bad Genos is at judging strength.

It is also a massive upgrade compared to Gouketsu's actual feats. What stops this being an outlier for Gouketsu?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

given how bad Genos is at judging strength.

Meteor downgrade then

 

[CheatHydra]

Yeah this seems at best like a "possibly 6-C" to me.

 

[Tsotso]

If it depends on how credible Genos' evaluations are, then I think a possibly rating will be most solid.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

It is also a massive upgrade compared to Gouketsu's actual feats. What stops this being an outlier for Gouketsu?

Gouketsu currently has no solid rating. He simply scales massively above 7-B feats

 

[Kachon123]

That aside who would scale to gouketsu exactly?

Post-Molt EC, AB Bang, Current Garou, PS, and others

This does not look good enough for a solid rating to me, given how bad Genos is at judging strength.

Would Possibly work?

 

[Magmag]

Gouketsu currently has no solid rating. He simply scales massively above 7-B feats

basically every one does but there are not calculable feats to support it.
by everyone i mean the mid/high tier dragons

 

[Damage3245]

I'm not really in favor of scaling Gouketsu to the meteor / to Saitama without clearer evidence. Especially given how many other characters this would affect too.

 

[Magmag]

I'm not really in favor of scaling Gouketsu to the meteor / to Saitama without clearer evidence. Especially given how many other characters this would affect too.

i mean you can't get clearer evidence. the guys dead.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

This definitely isn't enough for an upgrade. We know for a fact Gouketsu does not scale to Saitama by any means as Gouketsu literally got beat badly by Saitama.

All Genos meant with that statement is that Gouketsu was insanely stronger than him. EDIT: insanely stronger than him akin to the way Saitama similarly is.
Although there can be an argument for scaling Gouketsu above some S class heroes because of Genos saying "Oh the only hope we have is getting all the S class heroes to attack him at once" but I don't think even that would work considering Genos at that point wouldn't have any way of knowing how powerful all the s class heroes are.

 

[LordTracer]

Tbh it only affects like, five characters

Also isn’t Genos capable of actually analyzing someone’s strength? I’m pretty sure that was a thing

 

[Maharaj]

I'm not really in favor of scaling Gouketsu to the meteor / to Saitama without clearer evidence. Especially given how many other characters this would affect too.

actual feats only include air pressure, the stadium and the cloudsplit, aswell as stomping everybody except saitama. seems weird to limit someone to the airpressure of his punches

 

[Kachon123]

Also isn’t Genos capable of actually analyzing someone’s strength? I’m pretty sure that was a thing

Yes, I'm pretty sure.

 

[Maharaj]

Tbh it only affects like, five characters

Also isn’t Genos capable of actually analyzing someone’s strength? I’m pretty sure that was a thing

yeah genos accurately acessed someones strength just last chapter

 

[Kachon123]

This definitely isn't enough for an upgrade. We know for a fact Gouketsu does not scale to Saitama by any means as Gouketsu literally got beat badly by Saitama.

No one is scaling to Saitama's rating. We're scaling to the meteor/Saitama destroying the meteor. We did this before with Boros' speed.

 

[LordTracer]

Yes, I'm pretty sure.

yeah genos accurately acessed someones strength just last chapter

Then where exactly is the “Genos is a bad judge of power” coming from?

 

[Kachon123]

Then where exactly is the “Genos is a bad judge of power” coming from?

I don't know.

 

[Tsotso]

¯\(ツ)/¯​

 

[Qawsedf234]

In chapter 75 of One Punch Man, Genos got one-shot by Gouketsu, and called Gouketsu's strength "Bottomless," and even compared his power to Saitama's. This is important because not only was Genos able to depict how strong the meteor was, he also saw Saitama destroy that meteor.

I can agree with scaling Goketsu to the meteor punch, but it comes with an asterisk here. Saitama's punch doesn't scale to the meteors full KE, as he did not nullify its forward momentum, just fragment it into small chunks that wouldn't incinerate the city.

So if you calc the energy Saitama meteor Punch is, I think scaling it to Goketsu should have some basis, since Genos believed Saitama needed help to beat him (and at this point that is the best feat Genos had seen from Saitama).

 

[Nierre]

neutral

 

[Kachon123]

I can agree with scaling Goketsu to the meteor punch, but it comes with an asterisk here. Saitama's punch doesn't scale to the meteors full KE, as he did not nullify its forward momentum, just fragment it into small chunks that wouldn't incinerate the city.

So if you calc the energy Saitama meteor Punch is, I think scaling it to Goketsu should have some basis, since Genos believed Saitama needed help to beat him (and at this point that is the best feat Genos had seen from Saitama).

But then theres the fact that Genos called Gouketsu's power Bottomless, but he was able to sense the Meteor's DC.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I can agree with scaling Goketsu to the meteor punch, but it comes with an asterisk here. Saitama's punch doesn't scale to the meteors full KE, as he did not nullify its forward momentum, just fragment it into small chunks that wouldn't incinerate the city.

So if you calc the energy Saitama meteor Punch is, I think scaling it to Goketsu should have some basis, since Genos believed Saitama needed help to beat him (and at this point that is the best feat Genos had seen from Saitama).

Probably Saitama's punch has a greater result than 6-C. Since the explosion was seen from space

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Genos hyping Gouketsu is not reliable he's just being an idiot.

 

[Therefir]

The fact that Genos puts Gouketsu above Saitama makes his statement unreliable as we know that's not true.

 

[Magmag]

The fact that Genos puts Gouketsu above Saitama makes his statement unreliable as we know that's not true.

He puts Gouketsu above Saitama’s feats.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I can agree with scaling Goketsu to the meteor punch, but it comes with an asterisk here. Saitama's punch doesn't scale to the meteors full KE, as he did not nullify its forward momentum, just fragment it into small chunks that wouldn't incinerate the city.

So if you calc the energy Saitama meteor Punch is, I think scaling it to Goketsu should have some basis, since Genos believed Saitama needed help to beat him (and at this point that is the best feat Genos had seen from Saitama).

I agree with this, a calc for Saitama destroying the meteor would help

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I will calc

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

He puts Gouketsu above Saitama’s feats.

Genos is not a reliable measure of Saitama's feats he's not a calculating supercomputer. He overhypes people all the time.

 

[Maharaj]

Genos is not a reliable measure of Saitama's feats he's not a calculating supercomputer. He overhypes people all the time.

he literally is a cyborg with energy sensing equipment

give some examples also

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I will calc

The result was 1.9591835432e+21 Joules (High 6-C)

Outlier?

EDIT: I forgot to divide the result by 2, so the real value is 9.7959177160e+20 Joules (Still High 6-C)

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Turns out scaling Gouketsu to the meteor's KE is the low end

I don't think it's an outlier either 6-C or High 6-C, we already have Cadres at Tier 6 and even a chance of another upgrade at that level (Platinum S' Multiplier can reach Low 6-B if i'm not mistaken), they are already reaching this level of power and Gouketsu is considered to be a strong one even among them

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

he literally is a cyborg with energy sensing equipment

This example shows he is bad at measuring people's power.

 

[Kachon123]

This example shows he is bad at measuring people's power.

What? When has Genos shown that he's bad at it?

 

[Nierre]

?

that's not an example. to back up a claim you use other evidence not the material that's being argued.

 

[Maharaj]

i´ll give an example of genos being indesputibly right an very exact in his measurments

 

[Kachon123]

Also, Genos being able to sense the amount of damage the meteor would do, then later accurately assessing that he could pulverize it in 10 seconds mode.

 

[Tsotso]

Genos didn't say Gouketsu was comparable to Saitama. He said that Gouketsu's strength reminds him of Saitama a little.
Thus it's not an anti-feat for Genos' power assessing abilities.

 

[Damage3245]

Genos didn't say Gouketsu was comparable to Saitama. He said that Gouketsu's strength reminds him of Saitama a little.
Thus it's not an anti-feat for Genos' power assessing abilities.

That's another reason why I don't think Gouketsu deserves a solid upgrade.