Gouketsu Upgrade?

[Worthless]

lmao he is still thinking Gouketsu >>> HE, EC and the others lmao don't dare compared that lackey to Homeless emperor

 

[Tsotso]

I don’t see how this relates to Gouketsu at all. All she says is; “The more aces we have, the better. After all, Hero Association might have their own hidden cards above S-Class.”

By the point of the statement the only cadres the MA had lost were Gouketsu and EC. EC's death was attributed to King one shotting it so GG assuming there's someone above the S-Class could only be in reference to Gouketsu's death as King is from the S-Class and she thinks he one shot EC.

Also she says that the Hero Association MIGHT have things beyond the S-Class, so it’s not even a solid statement, and she’s not saying it in reference to Gouketsu’s defeat, she’s saying it to Garou.

First off, she was saying it to Orochi. Garou was just defeated at the time of the statement.
Secondly, the word "might" cannot be referring to how much more impressive killing Gouketsu is compared to one shotting EC as Gyoro Gyoro knows how powerful they are and can therefore quantify the feats of killing them. Therefore the "might" part could only be referring to whether the person who killed Gouketsu is a secret weapon of the HA, not whether such a person exists or whether they are above the S-Class as that's based on how much more impressive the feat of killing Gouektsu is compared to annihilating EC.

 

[ByAsura]

What you're trying to postulate does indeed seem a bit like calc stacking.

• Character A has a certain attack potency through a calculation. They made a 1mm dent in character B's shield composed of a fictional material. But character C destroyed the whole 30mm thick shield, so character C is thirty times as strong as character A.
• Atomic Samurai slashed HE's orb 35 times to destroy the orb's entire area, so HE's orb is 35 times stronger than Atomic Samurai's attack potency.

These seem similar.

Ok, but that's not a reason to scale them at the same time. He still scales well below.

But Atomic could cut through the orb with only one attack.

He could cut into a certain amount of energy with one attack. You're assuming the entire energy released by the orb scales to its durability when that doesn't make sense.

No, because you keep editing your posts. But anyways, Gouketsu is in fact superior to the attack that one shot EC because such an attack was considered by Gyoro Gyoro as not good enough to kill Gouketsu. If it was she wouldn't have said that it must have been done by someone abovethe S-Class.

That doesn't mean Gouketsu's superior to the attack, it means it required a stronger attack to one-shot Gouketsu.

Also you're forgetting that decapitating someone with one attack and completely annihilating someone are on two different levels, yet the former was considered far more impressive than the latter by someone who knows how strong both Gouketsu and EC are.

We're not scaling Elder Centipede and Gouketsu, we're scaling an attack that obliterated Elder Centipede and decapitated Gouketsu. The differences in actual power between both attacks are unknown.

Golden S doesn't know of any better feats as that's the feat BS pointed out.

King has a lot of hype behind him, so we don't know what he knows or that he's actually using it as a reference.

He definitely does know the power needed to one shot EC as he is a cadre and Hellfire and Gale who aren't proper cadres are awareof the level Gouketsu and EC are at.

He didn't know the power of Homeless Emperor.

What assumptions??

The pointed out and you just attempted to address.

 

[Tsotso]

lmao he is still thinking Gouketsu >>> HE, EC and the others lmao don't dare compared that lackey to Homeless emperor

Scans please?

 

[Worthless]

Uh uh let's forgot the fact that he was treated as a normal means by Gyoro herself thus he was deployed first before EC and the others uh uh i don't even know why ppl talking your shit seriously it's just so dumb anyway i completely disagree with upgrade now count me on those

 

[Tsotso]

Ok, but that's not a reason to scale them at the same time. He still scales well below.

He could cut into a certain amount of energy with one attack. You're assuming the entire energy released by the orb scales to its durability when that doesn't make sense.

That doesn't mean he's superior to the attack, it means it required a stronger attack to one-shot Gouketsu.

Why would the attack's durability be so far below it's AP? The way it looks implies more energy is contained towards the center instead of being split evenly throughout the whole surface area.

We're not scaling Elder Centipede and Gouketsu, we're scaling an attack that obliterated Elder Centipede and decapitated Gouketsu. The differences in actual power between both attacks are unknown.

They're not at all unknown. Gyoro Gyoro's statement clearly puts the one that killed Gouketsu in another league than the one that annihilated EC.

He didn't know the power of Homeless Emperor.

Who?

The ones I gave.

Honestly, learn to quote what you are referring to. Sometimes you just say things without quoting what you're responding to with them and it's not clear what you're trying to say.

 

[Tsotso]

Uh uh let's forgot the fact that he was treated as a normal means by Gyoro herself thus he was deployed first before EC and the others

uh uh i don't even know why ppl talking your shit seriously it's just so dumb anyway i completely disagree with downgrade now count me on those

No arguments found here.

 

[ByAsura]

Why would the attack's durability be so far below it's AP? The way it looks implies more energy is contained towards the center instead of being split evenly throughout the whole surface area.

Because that's how pressure works. Also, even if it's spread across an area of 10 square metres instead of 20, that's still a huge difference.

They're not at all unknown. Gyoro Gyoro's statement clearly puts the one that killed Gouketsu in another league than the one that annihilated EC.

The exact difference is unknown, is what I'm saying. You can't directly scale this attack to Gouketsu's durability, you can just scale this an unknown amount above the energy needed to obliterate EC.

Who?

Black Sperm.

Honestly, learn to quote what you are referring to. Sometimes you just say things without quoting what you're responding to with them and it's not clear what you're trying to say.

Firstly, I typically do. I didn't there until later because of formatting issues.

Secondly, I did quote that. Literally even before I made the edits I quoted your specific quote there. That's the first thing I did.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Can we slow down with all the damn revision threads for this series?

No Gouketsu does not scale to this.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

The fact that Elder Centipede has a statement from Psykos that says that only the strongest 4 heroes can beat him but Gouketsu had no such statement is more than enough to tell me EC is stronger tbh.

It's just narrative. Something a lot of people here don't understand apparently.

 

[ByAsura]

Can we slow down with all the damn revision threads for this series?

No Gouketsu does not scale to this.

I'm actually planning a small Psykos revision after this, but dealing with a million revisions does get tiresome.

 

[Worthless]

Stated: "It looks like ordinary means won't be enough after all..." right after Gouketsu died
You: "That's headcanon and please stop saying she meant Gouketsu (╥﹏╥)" not taking your shit seriously and the fact you exaggerated the statement of her saying "Who killed Gouketsu" is so shit and the fact you genuinely thinks his death is the reason why she thinks HA have trump card without any real solid basis behind it is also hilarious yeah boi keep dreaming that ugly shit is nowhere near to HE he was just a lackey thus was employed first before the others (╥﹏╥) xD

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Genos was able to deduce this somehow, and he has recently mentioned how his current form is able to stop that same meteor, so I think it's safe to assume he knows with detail the force that this thing carried.

This is honestly the only good justification for scaling Gouketsu to this.
Still shakey but far more concrete than anything else stated so far.

 

[Nierre]

Can we just add what's already been accepted?

 

[Worthless]

And please stop mentioning me goddam i already turn off the notification here but can still see shit when you mentioned me

 

[Tetsucabrah]

is so shit and the fact you genuinely thinks his death is the reason why she thinks HA have trump card without any resl solid basis behind it is also hilarious yeah boi keep dreaming that ugly shit is nowhere near to HE he was just a lackey thus was employed first before the others

She doesn't even specifically mention Gouketsu in that quote.
Considering Elder Centipede is the one who had died more recently I'd say it more applies to him if we're only attributing it to singular reason.

But it's moreso the combination of their two deaths that's leading Psykos to say that. There's no concrete scaling we can get from this statement.

 

[ByAsura]

Alright. I'm adding what's agreed to.

 

[Damage3245]

Alright. I'm adding what's agreed to.

Can I double check what this is exactly?

 

[ByAsura]

possibly higher (Genos found his strength somewhat reminiscent of Saitama, whom he witnessed nullifying most of the meteor's impact energy, even believing that the latter needed to team up with multiple heroes to defeat him as safely as possible)

I've also removed the Post-Molt EC scaling thing since we found that it was a mistranslation.

 

[Tsotso]

Because that's how pressure works. Also, even if it's spread across an area of 10 square metres instead of 20, that's still a huge difference.

If your method is used and HE's new calc is divided by 35 then AS with the Sun Blade's AP ends up at just a little above 12 megatons, which is less than half of Vaccine Man's calc which Atomic scales above in base. Are you sure scaling Atomic to only 1/35 instead of the whole thing isn't actually an outlier because of that?

 

[Tsotso]

Stated: "It looks like ordinary means won't be enough after all..." right after Gouketsu died
You: "That's headcanon and please stop saying she meant Gouketsu (╥﹏╥)" not taking your shit seriously and the fact you exaggerated the statement of her saying "Who killed Gouketsu" is so shit and the fact you genuinely thinks his death is the reason why she thinks HA have trump card without any real solid basis behind it is also hilarious yeah boi keep dreaming that ugly shit is nowhere near to HE he was just a lackey thus was employed first before the others (╥﹏╥) xD

Again, this is hedacanon. There is no statement impliying what you're claiming.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Sigh, I wish Psykos had an offhand comment about how Gouketsu wasn't the strongest cadre.
I shouldn't even bother with the EC vs Gouketsu shit anymore.

 

[Tsotso]

She doesn't even specifically mention Gouketsu in that quote.
Considering Elder Centipede is the one who had died more recently I'd say it more applies to him if we're only attributing it to singular reason.

She could only possibly be referring to Gouketsu's death.
Elder Centipede's death is attributed to King who's from the S-Class therefore the only thing that could possibly make Gyoro Gyoro consider there is someone above the S-Class is Gouketsu's death.

 

[ByAsura]

If your method is used and HE's new calc is divided by 35 then AS with the Sun Blade's AP ends up at just a little above 12 megatons, which is less than half of Vaccine Man's calc which Atomic scales above in base. Are you sure scaling Atomic to only 1/35 instead of the whole thing isn't actually an outlier because of that?

Regardless of whether or not that's true, directly scaling them still makes no sense.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

She could only possibly be referring to Gouketsu's death.
Elder Centipede's death is attributed to King who's from the S-Class therefore the only thing that could possibly make Gyoro Gyoro consider there is someone above the S-Class is Gouketsu's death.

Didn't they only find out "King" did it later on.

 

[Damage3245]

possibly higher (Genos found his strength somewhat reminiscent of Saitama, whom he witnessed nullifying most of the meteor's impact energy, even believing that the latter needed to team up with multiple heroes to defeat him as safely as possible)

I've also removed the Post-Molt EC scaling thing since we found that it was a mistranslation.

Okay, that's fine.

 

[Tsotso]

Didn't they only find out "King" did it later on.

Gyoro Gyoro's statement was after EC's death was reported by Phoenix Man. There's nothing implying they learned that King supposedly did it later.

 

[Tsotso]

egardless of whether or not that's true, directly scaling them still makes no sense.

Whatever. I guess him getting a possibly higher is good enough.

 

[ByAsura]

Alright. I'm closing this headache.