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Necrozma quickly overpowers them thoI was getting to that, since they literally fight each other in game
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Necrozma quickly overpowers them thoI was getting to that, since they literally fight each other in game
Not quite. They clash evenly but all Necrozma really needed was the one moment to pin them down so it could do the thingNecrozma quickly overpowers them tho
Let’s see
And Ho-oh doesn’t really have anything to prove it is directly comparable to LugiaThis might be evidence mew scales to his sequel
NahLet’s see
And Ho-oh doesn’t really have anything to prove it is directly comparable to Lugia
Counterparts literally always scale to each other. That's why they're counterpartsLet’s see
And Ho-oh doesn’t really have anything to prove it is directly comparable to Lugia
they never fight. The in game connection between them is they, both perched on towers in the same city and flew away after one was destroyed, I guess there is the Navel Rock eventCounterparts literally always scale to each other. That's why they're counterparts
Doesn't matter. Defeats the whole purpose if one is suddenly so much stronger than the otherthey never fight. The in game connection between them is they, both perched on towers in the same city and flew away after one was destroyed, I guess there is the Navel Rock event
Two false equivalences here. Suicune is a part of its own trio, and Pikachu is explicitly a middle-stage Pokemon and only has higher capabilities via the Partner Pikachu in Let's GoI am pretty sure it needs to be proven they are comparable unless Suicune is also equal to those two or Pikachu is equal to fully evolved starters
Only one of these two is trueThird titles legendaries are always stronger than the normal ones tho
Rayquaza > Groudon and Kyogre
Giratina > Dialga and Palkia
Pokemon: Leaf Green[PGM] Dugtrio causes huge Earthquakes from over 60 miles underground
Pokemon: Let's Go Pikachu & Eevee[PGM] Machamp can move mountains with a single arm
Pokemon: Fire Red & Leaf Green[PGM] Rhyhorn can shatter skyscrapers
Pokemon: Sun[PGM] Unleashes Megaton-level punches that send opponents flying clear over the horizon
Pokemon: Legends Arceus[PGM] Rhyhorn can shatter mountains
Pokemon: Fire Red & Leaf Green[PGM] Dragonite can fly around the globe in 16 hours
Pokemon: Let's Go Pikahu & Eevee[PGM] Pidgeot can fly at Mach 2
Pokemon: Various games[PGM] Gyarados is implied to completely incinerate cities and mountains with their hyper beam in their fits of rage (This isn't a 1:1 quote because it's a general assessment based on all the Pokedex entries that note this across games)
Pokemon: Shield[PGM] Cleffa is believed to have arrived on Earth via meteor
Pokemon: Leaf Green[PGM] Pupitar possesses the strength to topple a mountain
Pokemon: Various Games[PGM] Tyranitar's terrifying strength is great enough to crumble mountains and change landscapes with a single hand, destroy mountains and bury rivers, causing maps to be frequently updated to account for the change of the landscape, and their mere footsteps causes earthquakes that fell massive mountains and permanently changes the terrain (Same thing as Gyarados)
Pokemon: Alpha Sapphire[PGM] Gardevoir's full power can distort dimension and form a small black hole
Pokemon: Omega Ruby[PGM] Exploud's bellows trigger Earthquakes
Pokemon: Sapphire[PGM] Whiscash creates massive earthquakes within a 3 mile radius of itself
Pokemon: Heart Gold/Soul Silver[PGM] Rhyperior can tank volcanic eruptions
Pokemon: Sword[PGM] Seismitoad generates earthquake-like tremors
Pokemon: Alpha Sapphire[PGM] Gigalith can compress enough energy to blow away a mountain
Pokemon: Shield[PGM] Sawk wields the power to cleave the ocean in two
Pokemon: Y & Alpha Sapphire[PGM] Espurr can emit an explosion of psychic energy that reaches out to 300 feet away from them
Pokemon: Shield[PGM] Gigantamax Drednaw is believed to have eaten a mountain
Pokemon: Sword[PGM] Gigantamax Corviknight can whip up winds more forceful than any hurricane could ever hope to muster (Might be worth noting? Not sure..)
Pokemon: Sword & Shield[PGM] Gigantamax Sandaconda whips over one million tons around him, being capable of pulverizing skyscrapers with ease
Pokemon: Sword[PGM] Gigantamax Grimmsnarl can bore huge holes in Galar's terrain
Pokemon: Sword[PGM] Gigantamax Copperajah packs so much power in their jaw, a single blast of it could level mountains and change the landscape
A single Electivire can provide enough electricity for all the buildings in a big city for a year. (Ultra Moon)
There's more stuff in the server. So if anyone wants to join that, message me on my wall or DM, and I'll invite you if you wanna see more feats. These are just the ones I felt needed to be heard in case any of them weren't yet calculated. If this message just clogs things, feel free to delete it tho.It’s uncontrollable if enraged. It flies around spouting flames and scorching fields and mountains. (Soul Silver Heart Gold)
Giratina in Legends Arceus is definitely treated as stronger than Dialga and Palkia thoOnly one of these two is true
Not really, no... Just asserting this doesn't help. And the three are supported by lore as being equals due to all three being the ones that formed the cosmologyGiratina is Legends Arceus is definitely treated as stronger than Dialga and Palkia tho
Volo believed that he could beat the Player when they had access to Primal Dialga and Palkia, and after losing still thought that Giratina could take them downNot really, no... Just asserting this doesn't help. And the three are supported by lore as being equals due to all three being the ones that formed the cosmology
Ah, I see. Any Legendaries in specific? Or all of them? And are Mythicals included in the talk of Legendaries? My friend did most of the scan gathering in terms of Legendaries, but I looked a little myself as well.Atm I don't think Pokemon with evolution lines are the concern. The primary concern is legendary scaling
Ah, good luck with that. Without the movie, that gets a bit tough.I had to prove the mew duo scaled to each other, every other group of box legendaries at least fight each or do something to prove comparable to each other except the paradox duo who I would argue also don't get to scale to each other
I assume this should workAh, good luck with that. Without the movie, that gets a bit tough.
We are talking about the pair that existed before the precedent.If we have this precedent of the two box-art legends being comparable to each other, why would we suddenly break it based on nothing provable? Occam's Razor, while not a word of law or anything, would even support this
And he was wrongVolo believed that he could beat the Player when they had access to Primal Dialga and Palkia, and after losing still thought that Giratina could take them down
Giratina>Volo>Palkia and Dialga
I don't see how that matters. If every other legendary pair is comparable and we have nothing that remotely indicates otherwise here, why should we go with the scaling viewpoint that requires jumping through more hoopsWe are talking about the pair that existed before the precedent.
Being a pair of legendaries isn't the reason for being comparable them, it's because they do something that proves they're comparable. Luiga has feats to prove how strong they are and lives underwater so they don't cause mass destruction, while Ho-oh doesn't. We need a reason beyond it feels right.I don't see how that matters. If every other legendary pair is comparable and we have nothing that remotely indicates otherwise here, why should we go with the scaling viewpoint that requires jumping through more hoops
That doesn't answer my question. There's a clear precedent set, so why ignore it?Being a pair of legendaries isn't the reason for being comparable them, it's because they do something that proves they're comparable. Luiga has feats to prove how strong they are and lives underwater so they don't cause mass destruction, while Ho-oh doesn't. We need a reason beyond it feels right.
1. It literally is not a precedent it wasn't until gen 3 any legendary is directly compared to another.That doesn't answer my question. There's a clear precedent set, so why ignore it?
1. Precedent is precedent, whether or not it comes later. Hell that precedent still existed after the Gen 2 remakes1. It literally is not a precedent it wasn't until gen 3 any legendary is directly compared to another.
2. There is further context being ignored, the other groups are shown to be comparable.
3. Lugia is treated as far more dangerous than Ho-oh as the reason for it living in the ocean is because the destruction it would cause for example the OR/AS dex entry: Lugia's wings pack devastating power — a light fluttering of its wings can blow apart regular houses. As a result, this Pokémon chooses to live out of sight deep under the sea. Ho-oh having never fought Lugia and never doing something similar shouldn't scale just because.
Are you aware their parts in the narrative? I'll show you real quick.Ain’t no way we’re trying to say Ho-Oh doesn’t scale to Lugia now.
They’re counterparts, they’re effectively interchangeable in the Johto games’ narrative, and there is a precedent for legendary counterparts being comparable to each other (i.e. Groudon and Kyogre, Zekrom and Reshiram, Xerneas and Yveltal, etc).
They’re comparable. There’s no good reason to say otherwise.
1. Precedent1. Precedent is precedent, whether or not it comes later. Hell that precedent still existed after the Gen 2 remakes
2. And they establish said precedent.
3. Just because Ho-Oh's focus on its Dex entries is different, doesn't mean it's weaker. Maybe Lugia is more of an immediate danger, but Ho-Oh is never treated as outright weaker
How does this mean it would destroy the world though?when the teleporting device was destroyed the scientists thought they were screwed despite still having the rocket so I say the meteor at least up scales and would destroy the world even after an attempt to nuke it with the rocket. Anyway I am pretty sure it could be assumed comparable to rayquaza given it needed to mega evolve to stop it.
well but it was not said definitive weapon would only eliminate life but not the planet and even that was questionable and at that point lyson was losing his mind and we know in the past it was used and the damage weapon was not even that extensiveI don’t believe I said it destroyed the world, I suggested up scaling from the ultimate weapon.