Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work

[Emerald]

Mythical scaling will be hell to quantify, specially when they have most of the time zero feats/statements
Best thing we can do is slap a “At most low 7-B” to the ones that are featless, and maybe use the moment in the game where you can obtain some of them
For example, Celebi in the Crystal VC which you can only get after beating Lance

 

[LordTracer]

while the Legendary Birds and other featless Legendaries and Mythicals should scale to 1/3rd of that in absence of actual feats.

Yeah… no. The birds scaling to 1/3 of Lugia is anime-only, so that doesn’t apply to the games, and we can’t just scale featless legends and mythicals to the birds for no reason.

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

Yeah… no. The birds scaling to 1/3 of Lugia is anime-only, so that doesn’t apply to the games, and we can’t just scale featless legends and mythicals to the birds for no reason.

So... what do they scale to? Fully evolved regulars?

 

[LordTracer]

So... what do they scale to? Fully evolved regulars?

That’s what we need to figure out. I’ve heard that Moltres has a 6-C calc, but I don’t know where that is, and that’d give something for the Legendary Birds (and presumably the Legendary Beasts) to scale to.

As for the featless legends/mythicals… yeah, we need to figure that out.

 

[omegabronic]

So for Legendaries, Lugia is downgraded to High 6-C while the Legendary Birds and other featless Legendaries and Mythicals should scale to 1/3rd of that in absence of actual feats.

Why would they still be 1/3 if that scaling came only from the anime?

 

[omegabronic]

So... what do they scale to? Fully evolved regulars?

Just scale then to the eaeliest point you can fight them, some would 3 level mons, some would be 1 level mons

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

So for Legendaries, Lugia is downgraded to High 6-C

What about for this calc though?

Pokémon Franchise: Corrupted feather creates a storm

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[CloverDragon03]

What about for this calc though?

Pokémon Franchise: Corrupted feather creates a storm

vsbattles.fandom.com

That's an anime feat

 

[Emerald]

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Has anyone tried to recalc this feat?

 

[King_Clab]

That’s what we need to figure out. I’ve heard that Moltres has a 6-C calc, but I don’t know where that is, and that’d give something for the Legendary Birds (and presumably the Legendary Beasts) to scale to.

As for the featless legends/mythicals… yeah, we need to figure that out.

We could scale featless legends/mythicals to normal Pokémon such as Charizard or maybe even Tyranitar. As they should be too much weaker then non-legendary Pokémon.

 

[LordTracer]

We could scale featless legends/mythicals to normal Pokémon such as Charizard or maybe even Tyranitar

Why though?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

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Has anyone tried to recalc this feat?

@LordTracer

@CloverDragon03 The method of this calc is correct, right?

 

[omegabronic]

That’s what we need to figure out. I’ve heard that Moltres has a 6-C calc, but I don’t know where that is, and that’d give something for the Legendary Birds (and presumably the Legendary Beasts) to scale to.

As for the featless legends/mythicals… yeah, we need to figure that out.

Calc Storage - Moltres: Changing of the Seasons (Pokemon Games) | Naruto Forums

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[LordTracer]

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That needs to be transferred to a blog on site and evaluated.

 

[y3p_owo]

Why though?

I think that's because of how they're considered more important compared to the regular mon but lack the feats/statements other Legendaries and Mythical Pokémon have.

Also speaking of featless Legendaries and Mythical Pokémon, I assume thanks to Legends Arceus that all the legendaries and Mythical Pokémon in there (Manaphy, Shaymin, Weather Genie Trio, ect.) will scale to Fully evolved mons, yes? And another thing, what should we do for the Legendaries and Mythicals that appear in the Post-Game? Do we scale them to the Creation Trio and the Lake Trio or should consider them outliers?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Weren't there some promising Pokédex entries for Dynamax mons?

Copperajah:

Sword	So much power is packed within its trunk that if it were to unleash that power, the resulting blast could level mountains and change the landscape.

Drednaw:

Shield	In the Galar region, there's a tale about this Pokémon chewing up a mountain and using the rubble to stop a flood.

Rillaboom:

Shield	Rillaboom has become one with its forest of drums and continues to lay down beats that shake all of Galar.

That said without the anime, is there anything in the games that states or implies Mega Evolution/Z-moves ~= Dynamax?

 

[Emerald]

Copperajah:

Sword	So much power is packed within its trunk that if it were to unleash that power, the resulting blast could level mountains and change the landscape.

This was calced at High 7-C

Drednaw:

Shield	In the Galar region, there's a tale about this Pokémon chewing up a mountain and using the rubble to stop a flood.

Sounds like an overtime feat

Rillaboom:

Shield	Rillaboom has become one with its forest of drums and continues to lay down beats that shake all of Galar.

That's 7-A

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

Weren't there some promising Pokédex entries for Dynamax mons?

That said without the anime, is there anything in the games that states or implies Mega Evolution/Z-moves ~= Dynamax?

Nope, not really, there's Centiskorch and Coalossal's temperatures being higher but since regular fully-evolved mons are being bumped up to 6-C there aren't any feats that matter I think

And for your second question, they aren't even in the same games lol

 

[y3p_owo]

That said without the anime, is there anything in the games that states or implies Mega Evolution/Z-moves ~= Dynamax?

None that I know, no.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

That needs to be transferred to a blog on site and evaluated.

Your wish has been granted, Sayabada!

 

[Ret_of_Guys]

Your wish has been granted, Sayabada!

Only High 7-A? Sad

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Only High 7-A? Sad

At least we avoided Lugia being only High 7-A

 

[Lou_change]

Aren't most of the universes just different possibilities or something
Are the Pokemon rangers games in the game universes

 

[y3p_owo]

I don't see why it shouldn't be.

 

[y3p_owo]

So, I recently found out that Mega Heracross' Ultra Sun Pokedex mentions that it can lift 500 times it's own weight with it's horns, while a normal Heracross can lift 100 times their own weight with it's horn. Seeing as Heracross can use moves that specifically uses his horn (Horn Attack and Megahorn) and lifting things into the air (Seismic Toss), could we possibly use this as proof of Mega Evolutions being a 5x multiplier or no?

 

[omegabronic]

So, I recently found out that Mega Heracross' Ultra Sun Pokedex mentions that it can lift 500 times it's own weight with it's horns, while a normal Heracross can lift 100 times their own weight with it's horn. Seeing as Heracross can use moves that specifically uses his horn (Horn Attack and Megahorn) and lifting things into the air (Seismic Toss), could we possibly use this as proof of Mega Evolutions being a 5x multiplier or no?

in LS maybe, but not in AP

 

[Lou_change]

in LS maybe, but not in AP

why not

 

[omegabronic]

why not

because it is only talking about LS

 

[Lou_change]

because it is only talking about LS

we already know it is at least a 2x multiplier it seems random to assume it is different for LS specifically

 

[omegabronic]

we already know it is at least a 2x multiplier it seems random to assume it is different for LS specifically

Well, it specifies LS, him being stated to lift 5 times more doesn't he can hit 5x more

 

[y3p_owo]

Bump

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

So, I recently found out that Mega Heracross' Ultra Sun Pokedex mentions that it can lift 500 times it's own weight with it's horns, while a normal Heracross can lift 100 times their own weight with it's horn. Seeing as Heracross can use moves that specifically uses his horn (Horn Attack and Megahorn) and lifting things into the air (Seismic Toss), could we possibly use this as proof of Mega Evolutions being a 5x multiplier or no?

it should only apply to lifting strength tbh

 

[CloverDragon03]

I wouldn't even do that. This seems wholly exclusive to Mega Heracross

For instance, Mega Alakazam actually gets physically weaker, since all its energy is converted into psychic power and it thus loses physical strength

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I wouldn't even do that. This seems wholly exclusive to Mega Heracross

For instance, Mega Alakazam actually gets physically weaker, since all its energy is converted into psychic power and it thus loses physical strength

I'm not sure if we really take the Pokedex's word at face value on Mega Evolutions, the afterall anime mostly supports the idea that the dark, harmful effects of Mega Evolution are a dark Game Freak joke, and not to be taken seriously. With the exception of Korrina's Lucario, the anime never shows a single Mega Evolved Pokémon as suffering from harmful side effects. Not even Ash's Lucario when it finally Mega Evolves goes through what Korrina's did (though, that could be a consequence of getting Mega Evolution too late in the series for that story to fit in).

 

[Emerald]

Doesnt the canon split just makes this irrelevant?

 

[CloverDragon03]

It's canon information. We're going to take it. That simple

 

[y3p_owo]

Bump

 

[Spinoirr]

Remember frostmonths feat is low 7-B so, a supporting feat

 

[BB7778]

question kukui should not have an anime profile considering that he became stronger from sm a journey equaling pikachu's z movement he himself surpassed steven's mega metagros

 

[y3p_owo]

Bump