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ah. so basically Frieza is an idiot
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Golden Frieza vs. Ultra Instinct Goku.
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Well, a lot of people have claimed PIS in the Broly movie. You could argue Frieza just suffered from PIS at the latter half of the ToP.
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Luckily, this wont go anywhere cause you guys are illogical. UIO and Jiren scale to beerus.
SSJ broly is at best 50x a ssb goku and vegeta, who are literally nothing to a hakaishin. With kkx20 and SSBE, they would be nearly on ssj brolys level of power working together, something that wouldnt even scratch, and has been shown in the ToP, a fully trained hakaishin level foe. And then we have Omen Goku, who was nearly on par with Jirens full power, who is above a fully trained hakaishin, and freeza scales to that? A billion x no.
3rd UI omen stomps so hard freeza would wish he was still getting beat by ssj broly.
SSJ broly is at best 50x a ssb goku and vegeta, who are literally nothing to a hakaishin. With kkx20 and SSBE, they would be nearly on ssj brolys level of power working together, something that wouldnt even scratch, and has been shown in the ToP, a fully trained hakaishin level foe. And then we have Omen Goku, who was nearly on par with Jirens full power, who is above a fully trained hakaishin, and freeza scales to that? A billion x no.
3rd UI omen stomps so hard freeza would wish he was still getting beat by ssj broly.
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Never been stated bra.
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If only DBS wasn't a total mess with its scaling...
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not in the movie. In the novel he says that he thinks theres no one who can take him. Thats so vauge its impossible to say what he meant. It cant be literal cause literally a lot of people could have taken on thst broly quite easily, at least a dozen and more.JooCipher said:
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Yes? This was concluded months ago. People keep posting here for some reason.Ovrhide said:
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Kinda interested in this. UIO3 Goku seems to have the AP advantage here and he could last much longer than UIO1 or UI. What's stopping him from doing what he did against Kefla and unleashing a fully charged kamehameha on Freeza to KO/kill him?
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Well, Post-UIO2 Goku Blue is stronger than UIO1 Goku. Goku broke his limits twice more (UIO3 and UI) which would have made him much stronger. Goku was also fighting on fumes the entire tournament so it's reasonable to believe he is much stronger after having rested.
So, Post-ToP Goku is overall far stronger than UIO1 Goku, arguably stronger than UIO2.
Nagamine confirmed SSBE Vegeta is equivalent to SSBKKX20 Goku. Post-UIO2 Goku is stronger than UIO1 Goku. The wiki accepts UIO as an At least 40x multiplier.
Overall, SSBE Vegeta, GoD Toppo, KKX20 Goku should all scale to UIO2 Goku. Goku broke his limits twice after this and would be stronger when fully rested.
So, overall? Post-ToP SSB Goku is arguably superior to UIO2 Goku but weaker than UIO3 Goku. Broly stacks Ikari and SS so SS Broly is objectively 40-50x stronger than SSB Goku.
UIO = 40x minimum
SS Broly = 40-50x SSB Goku
UIO3 Goku = SS Broly > Post-ToP SSB Goku >/= SSBE Vegeta >/= UIO2 Goku
Thus, with the scaling presented (UIO = 40x) we can ascertain that Frieza survived someone equivalent to UIO3 Goku for over an hour straight. You can argue this is minimum UIO multiplier but I can also point to Goku's absurd power boosts from his limit breaks, which would indicate he would be far stronger than I am estimating, which Frieza scales to.
UIO has poor offense, meaning Goku would only win with Ki techniques like Kamehameha but this drains his energy and Frieza tanked Broly, who scales to UIO3 Goku, for over an hour. It's reasonable to assume Broly used energy attacks and Broly's own offense should be far more lethal due to lacking the UIO restrictions.
Overall, based on wiki standards Broly should scale to UIO3 Goku w/o the offense restriction and he couldn't knock Frieza out in over an hour of violence. Combine with UIO having a time limit and stamina restriction and there is no realistic method for UIO3 Goku to take out Frieza.
So, Post-ToP Goku is overall far stronger than UIO1 Goku, arguably stronger than UIO2.
Nagamine confirmed SSBE Vegeta is equivalent to SSBKKX20 Goku. Post-UIO2 Goku is stronger than UIO1 Goku. The wiki accepts UIO as an At least 40x multiplier.
Overall, SSBE Vegeta, GoD Toppo, KKX20 Goku should all scale to UIO2 Goku. Goku broke his limits twice after this and would be stronger when fully rested.
So, overall? Post-ToP SSB Goku is arguably superior to UIO2 Goku but weaker than UIO3 Goku. Broly stacks Ikari and SS so SS Broly is objectively 40-50x stronger than SSB Goku.
UIO = 40x minimum
SS Broly = 40-50x SSB Goku
UIO3 Goku = SS Broly > Post-ToP SSB Goku >/= SSBE Vegeta >/= UIO2 Goku
Thus, with the scaling presented (UIO = 40x) we can ascertain that Frieza survived someone equivalent to UIO3 Goku for over an hour straight. You can argue this is minimum UIO multiplier but I can also point to Goku's absurd power boosts from his limit breaks, which would indicate he would be far stronger than I am estimating, which Frieza scales to.
UIO has poor offense, meaning Goku would only win with Ki techniques like Kamehameha but this drains his energy and Frieza tanked Broly, who scales to UIO3 Goku, for over an hour. It's reasonable to assume Broly used energy attacks and Broly's own offense should be far more lethal due to lacking the UIO restrictions.
Overall, based on wiki standards Broly should scale to UIO3 Goku w/o the offense restriction and he couldn't knock Frieza out in over an hour of violence. Combine with UIO having a time limit and stamina restriction and there is no realistic method for UIO3 Goku to take out Frieza.
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