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Goku vs Mori REDUX • (0-3-0)

M2u12 said:
I mean, Mori adaptability is Absolutely insane. He was able to trick Mujin who had previously been able to reading Mori mind with his skills.

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Base goku without ui was able to keep up with hit who had ssb level stats. Base goku is able to follow and perceive two people having an IT fight and goku was able to react to a teleblitz. Goku also has resistance to hakai, can automatically make his body as sturdier as necessary, can make barriers that tanks attacks from people stronger than him. Goku has IT. Precognition and can sense malice. And goku in botg in his ssg form canceled out beerus shockwaves that threatened to destroy U7 and its macrocosm and turn that a vacuum made of nothingness. Base goku was also schooling ssj 2 caulifa for some time too while he was recovering. And scaling off of master roshi's showings against jiren with something inferior to ui goku would be fine with the speed gap.
 
MichaelCalistro said:
Base goku without ui was able to keep up with hit who had ssb level stats. Base goku is able to follow and perceive two people having an IT fight and goku was able to react to a teleblitz. Goku also has resistance to hakai, can automatically make his body as sturdier as necessary, can make barriers that tanks attacks from people stronger than him. Goku has IT. Precognition and can sense malice. And goku in botg in his ssg form canceled out beerus shockwaves that threatened to destroy U7 and its macrocosm and turn that a vacuum made of nothingness. Base goku was also schooling ssj 2 caulifa for some time too while he was recovering. And scaling off of master roshi's showings against jiren with something inferior to ui goku would be fine with the speed gap.
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I don’t see anything in Gokus profile that would imply he can percieve things 250000x faster than himself moving in a way that's impossible to his eyes.
 
DavidTPPM said:
I don’t see anything in Gokus profile that would imply he can percieve things 250000x faster than himself moving in a way that's impossible to his eyes.
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God gracious, I do apologize for ranting on, I based my source through Dragon Ball Super, not through the website itself.
 
MichaelCalistro said:
God gracious, I do apologize for ranting on, I based my source through Dragon Ball Super, not through the website itself.
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I mean there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, especially when a profile is outdated (although that's definitely not true with Goku).

But that is a huge claim to make and as a non-DB reader I can't verify the validity of it since I don't have the full context. So I'm kinda forced to rely on what's in his profile.
 
DavidTPPM said:
I mean there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, especially when a profile is outdated (although that's definitely not true with Goku).

But that is a huge claim to make and as a non-DB reader I can't verify the validity of it since I don't have the full context. So I'm kinda forced to rely on what's in his profile.
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I do appreciate that you have asked, I not am going to post all the videos, but I will show you the two main ones that you do need to see in particularly the first and the last one.
 
Oh, and Mori can use Speed Mode and Recoiless, which Both of those is a speed amp that allows him to blitz characters that has equal speed as him with ease, which should help him again the UI.
 
this seems like a stomp thread

Mori has mid godly, which Goku can't bypass

that alone means Mori can just outlast him, but Mori probably has other hax that can bypass Goku's insane AP and dura advantage so what can Goku even do

voting Mori
 
Mickey1940 said:
this seems like a stomp thread

Mori has mid godly, which Goku can't bypass

that alone means Mori can just outlast him, but Mori probably has other hax that can bypass Goku's insane AP and dura advantage so what can Goku even do

voting Mori
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No, in is key Mori does not have mid godly, mid godly comes from Avidya, which is not Mori himself.
 
Mickey1940 said:
oh

ok then

looking at Mori's profile, what stops Goku from staring at Mori really hard and popping him like a balloon

or just

kiai
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Funny martial arts go brrr
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Anyway I've basically read through Gokus entire profile and it seems that

Mori:
  • Far more skilled, intelligent, and experienced
  • Has a massive speed advantage thanks to his countless speed amps and martial arts
  • Can damage Goku using recoiless which destroys you from the inside throw and crush him with higher LS,
  • Worst case scenario Mori can use extreme duplication and either absorb Goku, shatter him with vibrations, or hit him with a black hole
Goku:
  • Has a lot higher AP (a single fart would vaporize Mori)
  • Has a lot higher durability (literally infinitely higher than Moris AP)
  • Wider range teleportation (so Mori can't effectively BFR him and he could technically BFR Mori although that doesn't seem in character)
Overall, unless I'm missing something, I think Mori should win. Goku can't hit him unless he nukes the area with an interdimensional blast which is far from being in character, and can't counter Moris internal destruction and ED hax.

So as it is rn, you can count me as voting for Mori
 
DavidTPPM said:
Anyway I've basically read through Gokus entire profile and it seems that

Mori:
  • Far more skilled, intelligent, and experienced
  • Has a massive speed advantage thanks to his countless speed amps and martial arts
  • Can damage Goku using recoiless which destroys you from the inside throw and crush him with higher LS,
  • Worst case scenario Mori can use extreme duplication and either absorb Goku, shatter him with vibrations, or hit him with a black hole
Goku:
  • Has a lot higher AP (a single fart would vaporize Mori)
  • Has a lot higher durability (literally infinitely higher than Moris AP)
  • Wider range teleportation (so Mori can't effectively BFR him and he could technically BFR Mori although that doesn't seem in character)
Overall, unless I'm missing something, I think Mori should win. Goku can't hit him unless he nukes the area with an interdimensional blast which is far from being in character, and can't counter Moris internal destruction and ED hax.

So as it is rn, you can count me as voting for Mori
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M2u12 said:
IDK, I actually mentioned mind hax in the first page but no one answered me.
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this seems like fear manipulation, not really mind manipulation. Has Mori ever used it on someone that much stronger than him tho? cuz his Mind Manip is like "he's too strong I gotta submit" but Goku is a lot stronger
M2u12 said:
I think Mori can dodge it with the sp amp he has
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I can't find the speed amps on his profile besides the whole "drawing out his full potential" stuff which I don't understand since I never read God of High School (I will eventually)
 
TheGreatBanana said:
Hmm, wouldn't Goku's aura just either intimidate or just crush Mori? Since goku can just flair it in an omni directionally way.
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Goku doesn't passively have an aura in MUI from what I can tell, he has to essentially "power up" to create it. Which he wouldn't have time to do anyway and even if he did, Mori could just wait it out given his insane stamina advantage.
Mickey1940 said:
this seems like fear manipulation, not really mind manipulation. Has Mori ever used it on someone that much stronger than him tho? cuz his Mind Manip is like "he's too strong I gotta submit" but Goku is a lot stronger
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No that's not really how it works. Fear manipulation is actually a common ability in the verse which basically everyone has (every "great predator"). Even tier 8 fodders can make you instantly give up purely by letting off their fear inducing aura.

Yet a tier 6 character (people of this level can straight up KO you with their fear aura) specifically made the distinction between this sense of "awe" and fear.

"Fear? Terror? No, it's a different… more mixed feeling"
Mickey1940 said:
I can't find the speed amps on his profile besides the whole "drawing out his full potential" stuff
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That's them (plus the unconventional martial arts above)
Mickey1940 said:
which I don't understand since I never read God of High School (I will eventually)
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Basically in GoH, the full limit of a characters power is 2500000x above what they normally display. Most people can only access this 250,000x greater power by using a limit removal technique called "jeahbongchim".

But this version of Mori has mastered control over his body to such an extent he can bring out it's full power without the need to use the limit removal.

Basically imagine if 8 gates Guy could use the power of the 8th gate without actually opening it
 
It's not a stomp since Goku can just fart and kill Mori, but given Mori weird ahh abilities I think he's more likely to win, Mori FRA
 
I think this is a mismatch, but either way what's the smallest a pressure point in GOH has been established to be, because manga goku can auto harden and shift around his vitals down to the last cell.
 
Another problem that i realized is unless mori has a higher speed value outside of speed equal with all his amps this match can't be added at all if they're a significant factor to his win.
 
DavidTPPM said:
Does Goku resist internal destruction or pressure points?
If not what stops Mori from blitzing and one shotting him?
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Those are lesser from of durability negation the durability of his innerds are still relative if vastly below his body. Sense he's 2-C vs 3-B and is infinitely stronger it dosen't apply
 
Darkmon_cns said:
I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Either goku stat stomps or he gets hax stomped. Both are stomps.
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Kindly do not create spite or stomp threads, whether by tier, speed, or an absurd difference in hax proficiency (that is, a very hax character vs one with little to no hax) unless the other character possesses abilities that compensate for this advantage.
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In this case, Goku has stats and Mori has hax, so I don't think it's a stomps anymore.
 
M2u12 said:
In this case, Goku has stats and Mori has hax, so I don't think it's a stomps anymore.
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That only applies if one of those things could give them a win. No matter what this is going to end with there is no way for this character to win the other wins 100% of the time aka a stomp
 
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