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Goku vs Kratos is fair now??

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Vietthai96 said:
Dormant Keysword is weaker than SSB:UT Time Power aura

Goku RE is defensive type so i don't think it matter much in this match

And he can increases layers via getting power from the tree and and absorbed time bird in the tree. He and Fu constantly hax and resist each other in arcade.

Anyway i have a feeling that this gonna last over 10 pages with:
1. Kratos experience these so he gonna RE to resist Info 2 and people back and forth with this

2. @Georredannea15 come with his Concept 1 is superior to Info 2 thus Kratos automatically resist it like what he did in the top 10 5D thread

3. Someone decide to make CRT to nerf DBH

So, my argument is, Goku get stomped so just close the thread
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stomped how tho
 
Vietthai96 said:
Kratos experience these so he gonna RE to resist Info 2 and people back and forth with this
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I don't think so, considering the standards and what I said.

Vietthai96 said:
2. @Georredannea15 come with his Concept 1 is superior to Info 2 thus Kratos automatically resist it like what he did in the top 10 5D thread
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Geor has been corrected by a lot of people so I doubt it's relevant.

Vietthai96 said:
3. Someone decide to make CRT to nerf DBH

So, my argument is, Goku get stomped so just close the thread
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Well, you are the main debater, and this will certainly have a lot of layers, which it seems only you know.

If you don't want to continue, I don't think there's anything you can do.

For me, the choice of whether or not to continue this vs. doesn't matter, I guess.
 
I think we're stuck in a situation where both sides have bonker powers and pretty much resist almost everything, in addition to their broken levels of RE.

Such is the curse of obtaining the power of CM1. It's either stomp or be stomped.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Well, you are the main debater, and this will certainly have a lot of layers, which it seems only you know.
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Ngl, SSB:UT Goku have insane amount of layers, his Time Power EE alone is over 20 layers, since even baseline Time Power user like Chronoa can EE Gods of Destruction who resist their own Power of Destruction and Dr.Slump casts like Arale, and Arale has over 10 layers of EE resistance. But people not gonna accept that for sure

Vs match is a huge stress now for me, i can debate other verses since they are fine, but when it come to DB, there always a constant threat that someone gonna make CRT to nerf the verses, i got many hate already and it increased after DBH get CM1 accepted, i feel extremely on edge everytime DBH get a match
 
Well there is a ....an upside that goku does, his Passive Aura is also passives AP, sooooo.....At the start of the match, kratos is gonna get AP crushed, which i hope he has a...defence against?
 
TheGreatBanana said:
Well there is a ....an upside that goku does, his Passive Aura is also passives AP, sooooo.....At the start of the match, kratos is gonna get AP crushed, which i hope he has a...defence against?
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Entire thing might get gutted alongside layers because of the recent Resistance Layer revisions.

I have been told that because of the recent revisions to Resistance layers site-wide (Where you need to actually show resistances being overcome through brute force and upscaling is no longer allowed for layers), DB might not qualify the new standards anymore. Seems like you're gonna have to find other avenues to reconstruct the layers from scratch.

GoW fortunately escapes this because most of its Layers involve brute-forcing and overpowering Kratos's resistances, which he then claps back on via RE.
 
KLOL506 said:
I think we're stuck in a situation where both sides have bonker powers and pretty much resist almost everything, in addition to their broken levels of RE.

Such is the curse of obtaining the power of CM1. It's either stomp or be stomped.
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I wouldn't expect that from Goku and Kratos, it's funny.
 
I don't get it, people here mentioned passive type 2 info manip for goku. If that's the case, assuming its offensive and considering that Kratos doesn't have info manip resistance on his profile, what stops goku from passively winning?
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I don't get it, people here mentioned passive type 2 info manip for goku. If that's the case, assuming its offensive and considering that Kratos doesn't have info manip resistance on his profile, what stops goku from passively winning?
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I didn't see it but the keys changed.

Now it's Mui against god kratos.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I don't get it, people here mentioned passive type 2 info manip for goku. If that's the case, assuming its offensive and considering that Kratos doesn't have info manip resistance on his profile, what stops goku from passively winning?
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Only Universe Tree Goku has passives from what I'm hearing now. Universe Tree Goku isn't being used here.
 
KLOL506 said:
Entire thing might get gutted alongside layers because of the recent Resistance Layer revisions.

I have been told that because of the recent revisions to Resistance layers site-wide (Where you need to actually show resistances being overcome through brute force and upscaling is no longer allowed for layers), DB might not qualify the new standards anymore. Seems like you're gonna have to find other avenues to reconstruct the layers from scratch.

GoW fortunately escapes this because most of its Layers involve brute-forcing and overpowering Kratos's resistances, which he then claps back on via RE.
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Nah DBH qualifies, its quite balant too. But thats not whats my post was about. I want to know what can kratos do against being passively AP stomped.
 
His body is protected by Type 1 conceptual Invulnerability

Edit: Wait, nvm. Wrong key lol. But he can at worst just leave time travel away or just nullify the latter's powers.
 
Robo432343 said:
power of hope goku vs kratos with keysword and universe tree
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Then Kratos has Conceptual Invulnerability on top of all of his powers so it comes down to whether the layers are up to snuff and can deal with him negating Goku's resistances via his powers.
 
Planck69 said:
Wrong key lol. But he can at worst just leave time travel away or just nullify the latter's powers.
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It would be another layered discussion.

Since this Goku resists Dark Factor and Time Power, which has power nullification, and other things.

In addition to Goku himself having power nullification and also that defensive RE.

And in terms of layers, I think it's only Vieth who can answer, how many this Goku has for things.

So I'm just going to laugh at the whole situation and leave since I can't help anything.
 
Honestly, this is just a mismatch. There's almost no key where this would be a fair fight for any involved.
 
Just call it a draw, agree no one wants to delve into layers of hax vs layers of hax and close the thread
 
Idk. RE as it is on site is a mess, the layers discussion is a mess and it largely comes down to that.

This thread is pointless regardless.
 
Planck69 said:
Then Kratos has Conceptual Invulnerability on top of all of his powers so it comes down to whether the layers are up to snuff and can deal with him negating Goku's resistances via his powers.
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I don’t think Conceptual Invulnerability is gonna protect Kratos from information manipulation type 2. Since that’s a completely different form of fundamental abstraction and we no longer play comparison of “resisting concept Hax means you can resist other fundamental abstract Hax like Info and Plot Hax” anymore.

Kratos would need Information Type 2 resistance to deal with Info Hax because Concept Invulnerability only covers Concepts as far as I know and never once involved fundamental abstract information

I don’t think he would be able to Powernull info hax as well because as of Bobiscans CTR that neutered Power Null, Power Mimic and RE…. Those powers are limited to only the feats and powers displayed in verse

So unless Information Manipulation Type 2 is a power is AT LEAST a power Kratos Concept Invulnerability has mulled or AT MOST is a power established in GoW that some character has and that Kratos can reasonably nullify…. Then Info 2 Hax can still work on him regardless of his Conceptual Invulnerability

Just some detailed insight
 
Ss3micah said:
I don’t think Conceptual Invulnerability is gonna protect Kratos from information manipulation type 2. Since that’s a completely different form of fundamental abstraction and we no longer play comparison of “resisting concept Hax means you can resist other fundamental abstract Hax like Info and Plot Hax” anymore.

Kratos would need Information Type 2 resistance to deal with Info Hax because Concept Invulnerability only covers Concepts as far as I know and never once involved fundamental abstract information

I don’t think he would be able to Powernull info hax as well because as of Bobiscans CTR that neutered Power Null, Power Mimic and RE…. Those powers are limited to only the feats and powers displayed in verse

So unless Information Manipulation Type 2 is a power is AT LEAST a power Kratos Concept Invulnerability has mulled or AT MOST is a power established in GoW that some character has and that Kratos can reasonably nullify…. Then Info 2 Hax can still work on him regardless of his Conceptual Invulnerability

Just some detailed insight
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Phsccarvalho said:
Big Bang Mission Ultra Instinct Goku vs God Kratos

As per your OP.
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