Goku and Vegeta upgrade

[Ssr4vegito]

Shouldn't Super SSB Vegeta and current SSB Goku get an upgrade to low 2c based on the fact that they fought a more powered up jiren than UI Goku

 

[LordGriffin1000]

They are going to be upgraded but it was put on hold and was suppose to continue after the latest episode came out.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

I think they should definitely be Low 2-C as of the current episode as he was being pushed back somewhat.

 

[ProspectX]

Agree.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

They supported it pretty clearly this episode .... And last episode.

 

[Akreious]

Why was it put on hold? With all evidence given, there's literally NO reason not to.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Why was it put on hold? With all evidence given, there's literally NO reason not to.

It was put on hold at the time when all they did was punch him for ten seconds and break his guard.

 

[Akreious]

Jiren uses even more power against them than against UIO Goku > they still manages to break his guard and push him back

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Keeping up with a version of Jiren that's stronger than UI speaks volumes. The statments were too plentiful supporting it.

 

[Ryukama]

They fight him after Belmod says he's finally showing a hint of his true power. Meaning Jiren is more powerful during that fight than when he shook the World of Void, was stated to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu or fought first Ultra Instinct. Whis also says that Goku and Vegeta are throwing him off, implying they're pushing a wee bit more than 1/infinity of his power out of him.

I think Vegeta should be upgraded (Goku's tier would stay the same but reasoning a bit altered). However I'm completely fine with waiting until next episode or two.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

I say we go ahead and do it. Their showing against Jiren, plus the comments of Belmod and Whis, are more than enough to upgrade Vegeta and alter Goku's tier reasoning.

My only concern is that we don't know if there are any draw backs to Vegeta's new power but that could simply be added, should anything of that nature arise.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

So low 2-C blue Goku and Vegeta?

 

[Kepekley23]

Agreed.

 

[ProspectX]

If there is a agreement, then can we proceed?

 

[Antvasima]

It is probably best to ask Matthew and Dark649 for input as well.

 

[The_Everlasting]

If we are to add a new key to Goku (Which, IMO, we should do), I feel like it can be called "Super Saiyan Blue (Post-Ultra Instinct)".

Speaking of keys, the name of the first one is just awful. Anyone have a suggestion instead of "Various Transformations"?

 

[Schnee_One]

I thought "Standard Saiyan forms" but that's almost as bland.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Or we organize it like this

Pre-Super Saiyan God (Referring to how he is before the ritual) |Post-Super Saiyan God/God Ki (Referring to... basically everything afterwards) | Ultra Instinct | Super Saiyan Blue (Post-Ultra Instinct)

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Or we organize it like this
Pre-Super Saiyan God (Referring to how he is before the ritual) |Post-Super Saiyan God/God Ki (Referring to... basically everything afterwards) | Ultra Instinct | Super Saiyan Blue (Post-Ultra Instinct)

I think that's pretty good. It references Goku major power increases throughout the series and is direct and simple.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

BTW: Are we calling Vegeta's new form anything?

 

[The_Everlasting]

"Beyond Super Saiyan Blue" is possible. It's simple and used by the DB wiki.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Ant They will eventually show up to give their opinion.

 

[Dark649]

I agree with the upgrade.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

"Beyond Super Saiyan Blue" seems okay.

 

[Ezeriot]

Exactly what makes Jiren low 2-C do we even know the size of the Void?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Being > IZ/GoDs

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Exactly what makes Jiren low 2-C do we even know the size of the Void?

The Void is infinite in size.

 

[Ezeriot]

The Void is infinite in size.


Obviously not..

 

[Therefir]

Casual Jiren > Infinite Zamasu.

 

[Ryukama]

Nothing contradicts the statement that World of Void is infinite in size.

But discarding that, a Jiren who wasn't even showing a hint of his true power was stated multiple times to be stronger than Infinite Zamasu.

 

[ProspectX]

Obviously not..

You shouldn't be contracting this when it's already been discussed.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

The Void is infinite in size.

Obviously not..
This has been discussed before and is even mentioned on Jiren's profile as reasoning to back up his tier. So what are you on about?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I agree with Ever.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Post-Ultra Instinct wouldn't be correct, though. That would imply that he achieved this power after his first Ultra Instinct, when he actually achieved it after the zenkai from the Kefla fight. I think the key should say "Post-Kefla Battle" with the zenkai boost mentioned in the justification.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Zenkais are borderline nonexistent in Dragon Ball anymore.

"Post-Ultra Instinct" is to the point and easy to understand.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

So would that make SSJ Kefla Low 2-C?

 

[The_Everlasting]

Frankly, given how SSJ2 Kefla is already Low 2-C, it's not entirely unreasonable.

 

[Jobbo]

Goku's GD should be Low 2-C since Belmond admitted it worried him a bit, so SSJ Kefla should be Low 2-C by virtue of being comparable to it.

 

[TheRustyOne]

So would this also upgraded Gohan, Golden Frieza, 17, and Anilaza?.

Or should we wait till Saturday to see how well 17 and Frieza do against GoD Toppo and just upgrade Goku and Vegeta for now.

 

[ZERO7772]

I don't think Goku need new key, just alter his reasoning a little and that will be fine