Goku and Jiren need an upgrade

[Digupthehatchet]

You see, Goku has long surpassed the universal level. He's now multiversal (you can watch seththeprogrammer on youtube and he'll clarify why that is). As for Jiren, he's stronger than a god of destruction, the same gods of destruction who can wipe the floor with a multiversal being like Goku. Let's not forget he shook an infinite universe by just being present there. Goku at Ultra Instinct is far above kaioken x20. In fact, he was strong enough to match up against a suppressed Jiren and even landed a hit on him. So in conclusion, Goku and Jiren should both be multiversal (Jiren being faaaar above Goku of course). I mean, I think they can beat Saint Seiya (who is stated multiversal on this site). So yeah, put that into consideration.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

This outta be gud

 

[Peter1129]

But yeah back on topic Seth is not reliable.

 

[FTW395]

Ohhhhhhh boy u about to get flamed for mentioning SethTheProgrammer here.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Ohhhhhhh boy u about to get flamed for mentioning SethTheProgrammer here.

Is he hated on this site? Did he do something bad?

 

[Digupthehatchet]

But yeah back on topic Seth is not reliable.

Expergamez is the unreliable one. His theories are so dumb they come across as satire.

 

[Peter1129]

Is he hated on this site? Did he do something bad?

No he just wanks way too much. He is pretty much a joke considering how many people brings him up to try and upgrade Dragon Ball here.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

No he just wanks way too much. He is pretty much a joke considering how many people brings him up to try and upgrade Dragon Ball here.

I see. But I still think some Dragon Ball characters are downplayed.

 

[DodoNova2]

I named this image "Dodonova" because it represents my reaction to its thread

I do not know the English youtube but Multiversal goku is a joke

 

[Digupthehatchet]

I named this image "Dodonova" because it represents my reaction to its thread

I do not know the English youtube but Multiversal goku is a joke

You just need to see his feats. He is multiversal, it's obvious.

 

[Peter1129]

You do know even if you are billions of times stronger than a 3-A or Low 2-C character it still makes you 3-A or Low 2-C right? The Creation Trio From Pokemon were still Low 2-C even though they sustain the universe through heartbeats. They only became 2-C due to Darkrai's timeline merging feat.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

You do know even if you are billions of times stronger than a 3-A or Low 2-C character it still makes you 3-A or Low 2-C right? The Creation Trio From Pokemon we're still Low 2-C even though they sustain the universe through heartbeats. They only became 2-C due to Darkrai's timeline merging feat.

Well all right then. I guess Goku can stay universal. But what about the gods of destruction? Jiren? Ultra Instinct? I think they deserve to be multiversal.

 

[Peter1129]

Unless they have feats that prove they are on that lvl they will just be a higher end of Low 2-C.

 

[Damage3245]

Well all right then. I guess Goku can stay universal. But what about the gods of destruction? Jiren? Ultra Instinct? I think they deserve to be multiversal.

If they were all multiversal, why would they freak out about Zen'o?

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Unless they have feats that prove they are on that lvl they will just be a higher end of Low 2-C.

Jiren shook infinity. Nuff said.

 

[DodoNova2]

according to its arguments, Goku has the level SSG to destroy the universe, after its boost, is able to destroy (Inserts a number) Universe because it is X times stronger than SSG? imagine this logic for all the characters of this wiki OvO

 

[Peter1129]

Jiren shook infinity. Nuff said.

Shaking Infinity is High 3-A.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Like, even on the OBD he's just Universal+
You can't multiply the power to destroy universes. We could do that for everybody if we allow it for Goku.

The thing dragon ball is that they have stated multipliers. Unless the characters from the other shows also state the mltiplier of their attacks and power ups, I don't think they should be upgraded. But with dragon ball they multipliers and power levels are written down and stated so i think it's fair to make some of them multiversal.

 

[Digupthehatchet]

If they were all multiversal, why would they freak out about Zen'o?

Because he's stated to be the strongest of them all. Far above everyone.

 

[DodoNova2]

I do not even imagine the level of DD Lavos....

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Like, even on the OBD he's just Universal+
You can't multiply the power to destroy universes. We could do that for everybody if we allow it for Goku.

Man, it is clearly stated that kaioken doubles his strength, speed etc. SSJ was stated to multiply his power. SSB also multiplied his power. So yes, he should be multiversal based on these statements.

 

[DodoNova2]

Digupthehatchet:
Man, it is clearly stated that kaioken doubles his strength, speed etc. SSJ was stated to multiply his power. SSB also multiplied his power. So yes, he should be multiversal based on these statements.

it's just 20X above the Baseline Universe level

 

[Digupthehatchet]

Digupthehatchet:
Man, it is clearly stated that kaioken doubles his strength, speed etc. SSJ was stated to multiply his power. SSB also multiplied his power. So yes, he should be multiversal based on these statements.

it's just 20X above the Baseline Universe level
His base is universal. SSB is a number of times that (obviously more than 400 times since SSJ3 was 400 and Blue was far stronger). Then multiply that by 20x from the kaioken x20 and boom, he's multiversal. Now with Ultra Instinct he's still multiversal because theres no mutiversal + 1

 

[Kaltias]

His base is 3D. It could quite literally be octillions of times stronger and it wouldn't be tier 2. Ultra Instinct is Low 2-C though

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

His base is 3D. It could quite literally be octillions of times stronger and it wouldn't be tier 2. Ultra Instinct is Low 2-C though

Wait really? Gokus only Low 2-C via U.I.??

 

[Digupthehatchet]

His base is 3D. It could quite literally be octillions of times stronger and it wouldn't be tier 2. Ultra Instinct is Low 2-C though

Jiren should be multiversal though. And Ultra Instinct is far more than just universal+.

 

[Kaltias]

Jiren should be multiversal though. And Ultra Instinct is far more than just universal+.

And that's because?

 

[DodoNova2]

High 3-A Infinitely>>> 3-A, Goku can be Quintillon time Universal, it remains Universal

Edit: why OP mention seiya? I do not understand

 

[Royalty1702]

Totally let's upgrade them. Let's also upgrade Zeno to 2-A for being "low 5-D", according to Seth.

 

[PaChi2]

His base is 3D. It could quite literally be octillions of times stronger and it wouldn't be tier 2. Ultra Instinct is Low 2-C though

This.

@OP I suggest you read our tiering system before bringing somethig like this up. Multiversal = 2-B or above.

As a summary:

3-A (Universal) <(Literal Infinity)< Universal+ (Low 2-C) <A big big big gap< Multi-Universal 2-C <(A much much much bigger gap) < Multiversal 2-B <(Another infinity)< Multiversal+ 2-A. And Im stopping here cuz next one is 5D power.

So, no, Goku doesnt jump one infinity except in his UI form. Also, the gaps between Low 2-C, 2-C and 2-B are so big that its almost impossible to jump from one to another by being >>>>>>>>> someone of that tier.

And Im closing this.