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Fr every other JJK revision gets like 7 pages in a dayYou would think this catches attention for a verse under revision...
Executor stated he was under the impression that if Gojo's feat was done at the subduction zone, that he should be able to scale to the seismic energy.Who accepted this thread?
Executor and I approved of the changes. As I mentioned in my above post, it would usually be preferable to have more than two staff input for a thread like this - however, the thread had gone 4 months with almost complete radio silence and a lack of any contentions. So I suggested closing the thread and letting a new thread be opened in the future if it needed to be explored in more depth or if anyone had counterarguments.Oh yeah @DarkGrath what happened here?
@Duedate8898 closed itExecutor and I approved of the changes. As I mentioned in my above post, it would usually be preferable to have more than two staff input for a thread like this - however, the thread had gone 4 months with almost complete radio silence and a lack of any contentions. So I suggested closing the thread and letting a new thread be opened in the future if it needed to be explored in more depth or if anyone had counterarguments.
Contrary to what has been said, however, I'm quite confident I did not actually close this thread. I only suggested it should be. I don't know who did close it.
Yeah, I just saw Ant's message confirming Duedate did it before him, as I had requested Ant to.Executor and I approved of the changes. As I mentioned in my above post, it would usually be preferable to have more than two staff input for a thread like this - however, the thread had gone 4 months with almost complete radio silence and a lack of any contentions. So I suggested closing the thread and letting a new thread be opened in the future if it needed to be explored in more depth or if anyone had counterarguments.
Contrary to what has been said, however, I'm quite confident I did not actually close this thread. I only suggested it should be. I don't know who did close it.
@KingTempest you mentioned to me you have issues with the feat and the calculation so please elaborate more.Okay then. Some users have brought up some issues with the calculation, so I am disapproving the thread because of that. The calcs weren't applied so this is fine. We will once again discuss on this thread and decide if the calculation is legit.
Which I tackled that we don't accept quakes not caused by natural causes to be relative to the energy needed to move tectonic plates, and that the energy that tectonic plates let off that actually cause said earthquake.From my understanding, utilizing seismic moment for calcs is only acceptable when the tectonic plates themselves are being directly manipulated to cause the resulting damage. To be brief, this seems pretty faulty. Given this hobby entails suspension of belief to a sizeable extent, I don't see why a non-natural energy source affecting the ground wouldn't be assumed to be equivalent in the seismic moment to an earthquake of comparable output. Shallow Earthquakes exist and are actually quite abundant/powerful while also obviously being considered in earthquake calculations.
Case 2: Natural Earthquakes
This method doesn't find much use, but is worth mentioning.
In which cases should it be used?
This method should only be used in case a natural earthquake occurs, as it takes into account the work necessary to overcome the friction between continent plates etc.
Case 3: Other
This is the most common method to calculate earthquakes.
In which cases should it be used?
This should be used if the earthquake is not caused through something very similar to a meteor impact and is also not a natural earthquake.
How is it done?
The method is identical to that of "Case 2: Natural Earthquakes", just this time instead of the "Total Seismic Moment Energy" (MO)" value our end result is the "Seismic Energy in Waves Radiated from Earthquake Source" value.
These arguments don't align.From what I know, if it's done down on the earth and directly affects the organization of the tectonic plates, it should be enough to assume the total energy IMO
Radiated waves, from what I know, is only if the effects were surface level only
My contentions were summed up nicely in this post.Oh I already did-
It was just the evaluation of the points on the first page.
Correct me if I'm wrong in explaining your argument @Dr._whiteee
The OP basically said that a non-natural earthquake should be as powerful as an earthquake that is caused by the tectonic plates, and the fact that we don't accept it like that is based on suspension of belief
Which I tackled that we don't accept quakes not caused by natural causes to be relative to the energy needed to move tectonic plates, and that the energy that tectonic plates let off that actually cause said earthquake.
The thread's basically trying to say "this is what we accept. I don't agree because of (this). It should work." in order to ignore the radiated energy value and use the Total Seismic value.
Other members had different points, like PowerToScale saying that he moved the plates since he was in the subduction zone, which is just an assumption on how the quake started, which Arkenis argued against.
On top of that, the agreeal wasn't really... an agreeal.
Executor didn't say this situation fit the standards, he just said that
These arguments don't align.
The OP says "a non natural quake should be ~ tectonic plate shaking quake", and the only evaluation was "if it directly affects the plates, then it should be fine to use total seismic energy".
Basically, it was never actually accepted, and the arguments in the OP don't align with our standards.
Again @Dr._whiteee, correct me if I'm wrong
Basically, saying "it should be relative"
Which I pointed out was incorrect via an actual example of an earthquake happening within 5km of the crust, and by pointing out that 10km is the assumed depth for earthquakes when data cannot give precise results because of the fact that 10km is the worldwide mean for depth of earthquakes."As for it being natural or not, the Japan Trench is only 8020 meters deep, and natural earthquakes occur hundreds of kilometers underground, far below the trench itself, it being the place where the tectonic plates meet doesn't mean causing an earthquake from there would make it natural."
You don't need to. I would appreciate if you responded to my evidence.I'm in disagreement with using depth of where the feat happened as a reasoning for using TSE. Even if he were actually under the plates, which seems unclear from what I've seen, I don't think that implies actually affecting the whole ass plates.
Can I see the Godzilla thread where this rejection happened?Yeah no, even if you affected the entirety of the plates, you still wouldn't be allowed to use total seismic energy.
I will repeat to all those in this thread, YOU CANNOT USE TOTAL SEISMIC ENERGY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN NATURAL EARTHQUAKES. Tampering with the plates physically yourself via brute force impact or by physically shaking them will not grant you total seismic energy approval. Ever. It will instantly neg it to being radiated waves only. Just ask the Godzilla goons.
Is this just due to how natural earthquakes happen or is this a site rule?I will repeat to all those in this thread, YOU CANNOT USE TOTAL SEISMIC ENERGY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN NATURAL EARTHQUAKES. Tampering with the plates physically yourself via brute force impact or by physically shaking them will not grant you total seismic energy approval. Ever. It will instantly neg it to being radiated waves only. Just ask the Godzilla goons.
probably a site ruleIs this just due to how natural earthquakes happen or is this a site rule?
Yeah no, even if you affected the entirety of the plates, you still wouldn't be allowed to use total seismic energy.
I will repeat to all those in this thread, YOU CANNOT USE TOTAL SEISMIC ENERGY FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN NATURAL EARTHQUAKES. Tampering with the plates physically yourself via brute force impact or by physically shaking them will not grant you total seismic energy approval. Ever. It will instantly neg it to being radiated waves only. Just ask the Godzilla goons.
This doesn't address my points above, but also doesn't appear to be what happened in that thread.This one:
MUTO Prime upgrade
The author of Godzilla: Aftershock said this: Prime can manipulate Tectonic Plates She can create New fault lines She attacked Godzilla with the same force as she destroys fault lines She can manipulate fault lines She can destabilize fault lines Can generate earthquakes that can rip through...vsbattles.com
Regarding the latter featsThe question was this exact threads purpose. "can MUTO Prime manipulate entire plates, etc" the answer was "no, not even a MegaTitan can affect something that large"
We did mention the fault line feats in the other thread.
Points 1-5 have already been covered. In the last thread we got a blatant writers statement directly answering this question thanks to 1000TonsofFun.
Points 6 and 7 still could be done with radiated waves, MUTO Prime is hitting the ground to create localised earthquakes.
That doesn't seem like a standard, rather a very nuanced situation where people were trying to scale from Q&A's on social media, and the more direct answer directly contradicted the idea of any titan manipulating a plate, as opposed "manipulating a plate" not being something that could scale.The fault lines point is obsolete as we have no idea which fault lines are affected and if we were to average it out, the average fault line is around a millimetre in size. And we can't arbitrarily cherry pick a random massive fault line without evidence.
Both.Is this just due to how natural earthquakes happen or is this a site rule?
No? The stated reason reason was not accurate. My points also still remain unaddressed.So this can be closed then?
I mean it seems to me White just refuses to take no for an answer and is stonewallingdiscussion is still active
there's no reason for this to be closed just yet
Mfer how I see you being asked to make and evaluating calcs all the timeI'm not a CGM so I don't know what really constitutes as "shut this shit down" in a situation like this.
NoTurn me into a cgm and everything will be solved
Basically this is my takeI mean it seems to me White just refuses to take no for an answer and is stonewalling
This thread has gone on for months and basically every calc member agrees that Total Seismic Energy shouldn't and cant be applied to Gojo's case unless we have explicit confirmation he is moving the plates themselves (Which we do not)
I am curious as to how you believe I am stonewalling when I am simply asking for the reasoning behind the decision, since it seems inconsistent between members and I have already shown the other stated logic about Earthquake depth being incorrect. I really don't think I am being unreasonable here.No
Basically this is my take
The points he brings up dont really matter unless they for sure prove Gojo is moving the tectonic plates in order to create these earthquakesI honestly don't see any great explanation for the disagreement yet so far imo. Most are just countered with a better argument, and some disagreements imo feels lacking. Some points from Dr's side doesn't look like they were addressed either yet. Though I suppose that's because the discussion hasn't reached a true conclusion yet, as the discussion is ongoing. That's my opinion on this thread so far, and waiting to see how the discussion will go so I'll be "neutral-ish" atm.
pretty sure it was proven earlier in thread by two others or more.The points he brings up dont really matter unless they for sure prove Gojo is moving the tectonic plates in order to create these earthquakes
? I never argued here anything.You can argue all about how wrong our current method for categorizing earthquake energy is but as of rn those are the standards
I never took that position whatsoever? You're confusing what I said entirely. Please re read.If you have a problem with them I recommend you get them changed first in another thread
Mind showing me the proof?pretty sure it was proven earlier in thread by two others or more.
Only the first part of my response was towards you? I never argued here anything.
I never took that position whatsoever? You're confusing what I said entirely. Please re read.
as for the rest of what you said, idk why this is relevant to what I said. you should perhaps be saying this to dr white instead.
the back and forth between Dr and KT? and PowerToScale's eventual response to that? if you read the full discussion between these two (or technically three) i think you could decide things for yourself whether these are sufficient enough as proof or nah.Mind showing me the proof?
oh, my bad too then. thanks for the clarification.Only the first part of my response was towards you
The rest was aimed at Mr White
I apologize for not formatting that better