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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread
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Full temple should be 100 times heavier or slightly more IMHO
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After 20 hours I've finally made it to asgard. There's some pretty solid memory manipulation stuff for Odin, the codex entry on Huginn & Muninn says they only serve Odin because he erased their memories, and when the Einherjar come out of Valhalla they don't have most of their memories so Odin blesses them with the memory of who there were.
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I remember that they made Kratos shorter for the new Norse games. Is there an in-universe reason to why Norse Kratos is shorter?
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Hence why I suggest “X Tier, at most 2-C”. We put focus on the actual objective feats they have but mention the fact they have some higher stuff
I don’t care much for the placement tho so Idk
I could see a “possibly higher” working better with “At Most” being reserved for Mattugr
he isn’t, in Helheim he’s the same height as his younger self
the 6:4 is just a retcon honestly
saw that too, add Memory manipulation to Odin and potentially Freya
I think sound manipulation but I may be wrong
likely is, I agree
Especially since he flipped the damn thing
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Most likely a case of Kratos holding back.
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No idea, since we don't know how Angrboda's Giant Stuff magic operates.
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This is however, indeed a good question. How did he get there anyway? Certainly wasn't Angrboda.
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Possibly higher for fodder trolls and Mattugr scaling within 2-C but way, way below Kratos seems fair at a fair glance.
Mostly to accomodate for the new Mocap. But again, Greek Kratos in the novel was explicitly stated to be far more muscular than his Norse self.
He also didn't have his Blades of Exile either, so as to help newcomers accomodate.
No, the 6ft 4in thing is a mocap thing. Novel states that Greek Kratos was far buffer. He'd still remain 7ft 8in. Sad day for Norse Kratos I guess.
Sure.
Both.
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Agreed, Travelers likely get the same rating as Trolls
Tbh I’m convinced Chaos and Athena’s Blades are just the same thing
Mass and definition don’t mean anything for height tho, 6:4 is also the most consistent height
He’s stated as such by BTS, Thor is “7 foot something” according to Ryan Hearst and Tyr is canonically 8:5 as per marketing
kratos being 6:4 isn’t just a mocap thing, it just lines up and makes more sense then everyone around him just being 7 foot+ (especially considering the normal humans like Skjoldr clearly aren’t insanely tall)
Mimir also suspects Odin imbues an “undying loyalty” when he does this so add Mind Manipulation
Bet, Freya has the same
So imo hers should be
Powers and skills (maybe equipment as it’s own thing?)
Seidr Magic
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Kratos did heve size manipulation in greek era. He could have became smaller. Hell, even he states he lost all magic from his world. He could of shrank.
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Unfortunately, no. They're not.
In this case it visibly does.
Only applies to Norse. Greek Kratos was explicitly stated by the devs to actually be taller in the Greek games, with a different body model, height value in meters and all, with comic-booky proportions.
Kind of doesn't. Even in Greek Era majority of peeps were more or less taller than him, Zeus certainly towered over him even in base. It would also contradict the Greek Pantheon's larger-than-life appearance in contrast with Norse's more humanized approach.
Empathic Manip too I suppose.
Aye.
No. Equipment stays with Powers and Abilities.
Ye
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Kratos only had it until he lost his Godly powers after draining them into the Blade of Olympus. But even ignoring that, his Greek body model was just built different from Norse.
That being said, the 7ft 8in height whould be explicitly kept for Greek Kratos and other Greek Era peeps who are the same height as him, barring the other Gods who tower over him, while the 6ft 4in 250 lb values would be for Norse Kratos exclusively. Assuming otherwise would be a direct contradiction to the themes of the Greek Pantheon appearing far larger and more majestic than life compared to Norse feeling more humanized and grounded.
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That interview is clearly referring to the art direction out of universe, not as it extends to the lore tho
Except we never get reason to suspect this is the case in universe, the only statement is on the BTS side and we visibly see he doesn’t shrink in universe
he’s either 7:6 or 6:4 m; he is not both and evidence lines up better with the latter imo (like is everyone in Greece just 7 foot?)
Aye
Idk I’ve seen it used the other way but either works
Sounds good (Odin could do with the same but idk)
only when he’s got Ares’ powers, it’s debatable he has that ability when he wars on Olympus in three, let alone by this point
the statements are also more general, including his time as a Demigod
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Nah, it visibly refers to the game models used in the actual games themselves, as well as the benefits of using a realistically-proportioned body in mocap that wouldn't appear weird in mocap. That alone is reason enough to keep the heights separate. Hercules is also noted to be 12 ft tall by Kevin Sorbo in an interview and Kratos only reaches upto his chest, but even in that case he would still be far taller than his Norse self.
And again, the BTS side only covers the Norse aspect, not the Greek aspect.
It doesn't line up unfortunately, because of the reasons I've just stated. He's got different heights in both Greece and in Norse as per their game body model and the height change was made explicitly for ease of mocap first and foremost, a realistically-proportioned body would fare better in that regard than with a near-8-foot-tall gigant. Their body proportions are too wildly different to ever assume they were the same height all their lives, and even if not implied in the universe, it would still go against the very theme of the Greek Pantheon being larger than life, as I have stated already. Also, Hercules, and most of the other gods in human size form are a smidge taller than Kratos overall too (Zeus literally towering over the man even in base). So yeah, Greek Kratos would absolutely remain taller than Norse Kratos in the long run, and I don't see that changing.
Also the actual values would be 7ft 8in and 6ft 4.5in, the devs screwed up the conversion from ft+in to meters.
Not all of them.
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Equal to Atlas at the very least, if not stronger. But far weaker than the top 3 Olympians.
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6,4 Kratos is shorter than Lyssandra lmao..afaik
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I have the Prima Guidebook and I haven't found any such statement yet.
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Then why is demigod kratos not even close to that tier on his profile?
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Outlier
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That and Kratos needed the Gauntlet of Zeus to re-chain Atlas (The dude that Aegaeon is equal to), couldn't do it on his own.
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Did kratos even kill hecatonchires?
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Yeah, by killing the bugs that had taken over his face.
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Furies are explicitly shown to dominate Hector and Kratos trashed them in physical power.
Also interviews with Dev's outright say they are "stronger than god's", probably in their attempt to make Ascension grander than 3 for making good sales. Sadly didn't help them much.
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He had Hope inside of him, but only a tiny sliver of it to use against Ares. After Ares died, Kratos returned to normal and Hope went dormant.
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That is one statement Against three tho, doesn’t have the same weight and there’s still no actual reason he’d shrink canonically
How? They specifically note the change in height is because of the presentation, not an in universe thing
Again those are behind the scenes reason pertaining to an out of universe perspective, that’s not the same as characters being shown as the same height in the actual materials
Regardless the matter remains
Mostly tho
The statement is “Near Olympian” which only puts him in the superhuman category, likely only matched by specific monsters and exceeded by the Gods
tbh I don’t think this makes sense
Aegean is > Atlas by WOG and his brother is stated as the greatest challenge Kratos faced (at that point implying he’s up there with Ares)
Its weird the Hods would rely upon someone who’s so much weaker then their opposition, especially when narration describes him as a “Brute”. I think it’s clear the Furies best him via hax and illusions, that’s why they’re so dangerous
he’s referring to a statement Athena gives in one’s novelisation; before he gets the Box
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Wasn't that before he got that power up?
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Oh ok.
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I know, I just saying Devs might have went a bit overboard in wanking Furies during a certain interview.
I myself like Furies at 7B.
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The three statements not even covering any comparisons with Greek.
And? They never stated the new height to be a retcon to the old so this changes nothing.
Which really doesn't mean much unless they themselves directly confirm the height change to be an actual retcon or explain why the height change happened within the universe itself.
Not until the devs give an actual in-lore explanation for this.
Not even Mostly. Especially when it involves the final acts of GOW2 or 3.
The normal mortal aspects obviously apply to the Mortal side of things.
Tiny issue, Aegaeon is > Cronos in terms of physical strength and equal to Atlas as per Ariel's statements with notes of having better upper body strength than both. The only other interview where Aegaeon is considered to be the strongest of them all is in the GameTrailers: God of War Ascension - Game Director Interview video, but that's all it says, whereas Ariel's tweet lays out more details with Aegaeon's strength and where the advantages lie.
The Intro only states that Zeus freed the guy after the War when he just so happened upon him in the Underworld.
I believe that's more or less answered by Ares' desire to hone Kratos into the perfect warrior to tear down Olympus itself as per Ascension gradually, not that he got it at once upon getting the Blades.
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