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Full temple should be 100 times heavier or slightly more IMHOThat's for the bridge not the full temple.
Hence why I suggest “X Tier, at most 2-C”. We put focus on the actual objective feats they have but mention the fact they have some higher stuffTrolls being 2-C is just a massive stretch. Mattugr Helson is the only exception to this, but even then he'd be very low rung, got fodderized by early BoC Kratos in 2018.
he isn’t, in Helheim he’s the same height as his younger selfI remember that they made Kratos shorter for the new Norse games. Is there an in-universe reason to why Norse Kratos is shorter?
saw that too, add Memory manipulation to Odin and potentially FreyaAfter 20 hours I've finally made it to asgard. There's some pretty solid memory manipulation stuff for Odin, the codex entry on Huginn & Muninn says they only serve Odin because he erased their memories, and when the Einherjar come out of Valhalla they don't have most of their memories so Odin blesses them with the memory of who there were.
I think sound manipulation but I may be wrongAre atreus' new arrows implosion manipulation or something else?
likely is, I agreeFull temple should be 100 times heavier or slightly more IMHO
Most likely a case of Kratos holding back.Trolls have some insane feats. One could hold down kratos as stated in novelisation. Even ogres could be that strong.
No idea, since we don't know how Angrboda's Giant Stuff magic operates.Potential mftl+/infinite speed for jormungandr?
This is however, indeed a good question. How did he get there anyway? Certainly wasn't Angrboda.How did jormungandr travel to asgard? Could he have dimensional travel?
Possibly higher for fodder trolls and Mattugr scaling within 2-C but way, way below Kratos seems fair at a fair glance.Hence why I suggest “X Tier, at most 2-C”. We put focus on the actual objective feats they have but mention the fact they have some higher stuff
I don’t care much for the placement tho so Idk
I could see a “possibly higher” working better with “At Most” being reserved for Mattugr
Mostly to accomodate for the new Mocap. But again, Greek Kratos in the novel was explicitly stated to be far more muscular than his Norse self.he isn’t, in Helheim he’s the same height as his younger self
No, the 6ft 4in thing is a mocap thing. Novel states that Greek Kratos was far buffer. He'd still remain 7ft 8in. Sad day for Norse Kratos I guess.the 6:4 is just a retcon honestly
Sure.saw that too, add Memory manipulation to Odin and potentially Freya
Both.I think sound manipulation but I may be wrong
Agreed, Travelers likely get the same rating as TrollsPossibly higher for fodder trolls and Mattugr scaling within 2-C but way, way below Kratos seems fair at a fair glance.
Tbh I’m convinced Chaos and Athena’s Blades are just the same thingMostly to accomodate for the new Mocap. But again, Greek Kratos in the novel was explicitly stated to be far more muscular than his Norse self.
He also didn't have his Blades of Exile either, so as to help newcomers accomodate.
Mass and definition don’t mean anything for height tho, 6:4 is also the most consistent heightNo, the 6ft 4in thing is a mocap thing. Novel states that Greek Kratos was far buffer. He'd still remain 7ft 8in. Sad day for Norse Kratos I guess.
Mimir also suspects Odin imbues an “undying loyalty” when he does this so add Mind ManipulationSure.
Bet, Freya has the sameBoth.
Kratos did heve size manipulation in greek era. He could have became smaller. Hell, even he states he lost all magic from his world. He could of shrank.Mass and definition don’t mean anything for height tho, 6:4 is also the most consistent height
He’s stated as such by BTS, Thor is “7 foot something” according to Ryan Hearst and Tyr is canonically 8:5 as per marketing
kratos being 6:4 isn’t just a mocap thing, it just lines up and makes more sense then everyone around him just being 7 foot+ (especially considering the normal humans like Skjoldr clearly aren’t insanely tall)
Unfortunately, no. They're not.Tbh I’m convinced Chaos and Athena’s Blades are just the same thing
In this case it visibly does.Mass and definition don’t mean anything for height tho,
Only applies to Norse. Greek Kratos was explicitly stated by the devs to actually be taller in the Greek games, with a different body model, height value in meters and all, with comic-booky proportions.6:4 is also the most consistent height
He’s stated as such by BTS, Thor is “7 foot something” according to Ryan Hearst and Tyr is canonically 8:5 as per marketing
Kind of doesn't. Even in Greek Era majority of peeps were more or less taller than him, Zeus certainly towered over him even in base. It would also contradict the Greek Pantheon's larger-than-life appearance in contrast with Norse's more humanized approach.kratos being 6:4 isn’t just a mocap thing, it just lines up and makes more sense then everyone around him just being 7 foot+ (especially considering the normal humans like Skjoldr clearly aren’t insanely tall)
Empathic Manip too I suppose.Mimir also suspects Odin imbues an “undying loyalty” when he does this so add Mind Manipulation
Aye.Bet, Freya has the same
No. Equipment stays with Powers and Abilities.So imo hers should be
Powers and skills (maybe equipment as it’s own thing?)
YeSeidr Magic
Resistances
Kratos only had it until he lost his Godly powers after draining them into the Blade of Olympus. But even ignoring that, his Greek body model was just built different from Norse.Kratos did heve size manipulation in greek era. He could have became smaller. Hell, even he states he lost all magic from his world. He could of shrank.
That interview is clearly referring to the art direction out of universe, not as it extends to the lore thoUnfortunately, no. They're not.
In this case it visibly does.
Only applies to Norse. Greek Kratos was explicitly stated by the devs to actually be taller in the Greek games, with a different body model, height value in meters and all, with comic-booky proportions.
Except we never get reason to suspect this is the case in universe, the only statement is on the BTS side and we visibly see he doesn’t shrink in universeKind of doesn't. Even in Greek Era majority of peeps were more or less taller than him, Zeus certainly towered over him even in base. It would also contradict the Greek Pantheon's larger-than-life appearance in contrast with Norse's more humanized approach.
AyeEmpathic Manip too I suppose.
Idk I’ve seen it used the other way but either worksNo. Equipment stays with Powers and Abilities.
Sounds good (Odin could do with the same but idk)
only when he’s got Ares’ powers, it’s debatable he has that ability when he wars on Olympus in three, let alone by this pointKratos did heve size manipulation in greek era. He could have became smaller. Hell, even he states he lost all magic from his world. He could of shrank.
Nah, it visibly refers to the game models used in the actual games themselves, as well as the benefits of using a realistically-proportioned body in mocap that wouldn't appear weird in mocap. That alone is reason enough to keep the heights separate. Hercules is also noted to be 12 ft tall by Kevin Sorbo in an interview and Kratos only reaches upto his chest, but even in that case he would still be far taller than his Norse self.That interview is clearly referring to the art direction out of universe, not as it extends to the lore tho
And again, the BTS side only covers the Norse aspect, not the Greek aspect.Except we never get reason to suspect this is the case in universe, the only statement is on the BTS side and we visibly see he doesn’t shrink in universe
It doesn't line up unfortunately, because of the reasons I've just stated. He's got different heights in both Greece and in Norse as per their game body model and the height change was made explicitly for ease of mocap first and foremost, a realistically-proportioned body would fare better in that regard than with a near-8-foot-tall gigant. Their body proportions are too wildly different to ever assume they were the same height all their lives, and even if not implied in the universe, it would still go against the very theme of the Greek Pantheon being larger than life, as I have stated already. Also, Hercules, and most of the other gods in human size form are a smidge taller than Kratos overall too (Zeus literally towering over the man even in base). So yeah, Greek Kratos would absolutely remain taller than Norse Kratos in the long run, and I don't see that changing.he’s either 7:6 or 6:4 m; he is not both and evidence lines up better with the latter imo (like is everyone in Greece just 7 foot?)
Not all of them.the statements are also more general, including his time as a Demigod
Equal to Atlas at the very least, if not stronger. But far weaker than the top 3 Olympians.What tier are hecatonchires?
I have the Prima Guidebook and I haven't found any such statement yet.One more question. Is it true that in guidebook for god of war 2018 we learn that when kratos and dragon fought they shook Midgard?
Then why is demigod kratos not even close to that tier on his profile?Equal to Atlas at the very least, if not stronger. But far weaker than the top 3 Olympians.
OutlierThen why is demigod kratos not even close to that tier on his profile?
That and Kratos needed the Gauntlet of Zeus to re-chain Atlas (The dude that Aegaeon is equal to), couldn't do it on his own.Outlier
Did kratos even kill hecatonchires?Outlier
Yeah, by killing the bugs that had taken over his face.Did kratos even kill hecatonchires?
Furies are explicitly shown to dominate Hector and Kratos trashed them in physical power.Did kratos even kill hecatonchires?
He had Hope inside of him, but only a tiny sliver of it to use against Ares. After Ares died, Kratos returned to normal and Hope went dormant.What about the statement at the end of god of war 1 novelisation where kratos was stated to have strength almost equal that of gods? Keep in mind that was demigod kratos as far as i know.
That is one statement Against three tho, doesn’t have the same weight and there’s still no actual reason he’d shrink canonicallyNah, it visibly refers to the game models used in the actual games themselves, as well as the benefits of using a realistically-proportioned body in mocap that wouldn't appear weird in mocap. That alone is reason enough to keep the heights separate. Hercules is also noted to be 12 ft tall by Kevin Sorbo in an interview and Kratos only reaches upto his chest, but even in that case he would still be far taller than his Norse self.
How? They specifically note the change in height is because of the presentation, not an in universe thingAnd again, the BTS side only covers the Norse aspect, not the Greek aspect.
Again those are behind the scenes reason pertaining to an out of universe perspective, that’s not the same as characters being shown as the same height in the actual materialsIt doesn't line up unfortunately, because of the reasons I've just stated. He's got different heights in both Greece and in Norse as per their game body model and the height change was made explicitly for ease of mocap first and foremost, a realistically-proportioned body would fare better in that regard than with a near-8-foot-tall gigant. Their body proportions are too wildly different to ever assume they were the same height all their lives, and even if not implied in the universe, it would still go against the very theme of the Greek Pantheon being larger than life, as I have stated already. Also, Hercules, and most of the other gods in human size form are a smidge taller than Kratos overall too (Zeus literally towering over the man even in base). So yeah, Greek Kratos would absolutely remain taller than Norse Kratos in the long run, and I don't see that changing.
Regardless the matter remainsAlso the actual values would be 7ft 8in and 6ft 4.5in, the devs screwed up the conversion from ft+in to meters.
Mostly thoNot all of them.
The statement is “Near Olympian” which only puts him in the superhuman category, likely only matched by specific monsters and exceeded by the GodsWhat about the statement at the end of god of war 1 novelisation where kratos was stated to have strength almost equal that of gods? Keep in mind that was demigod kratos as far as i know.
tbh I don’t think this makes senseFuries are explicitly shown to dominate Hector and Kratos trashed them in physical power.
Also interviews with Dev's outright say they are "stronger than god's", probably in their attempt to make Ascension grander than 3 for making good sales. Sadly didn't help them much.
he’s referring to a statement Athena gives in one’s novelisation; before he gets the BoxHe had Hope inside of him, but only a tiny sliver of it to use against Ares. After Ares died, Kratos returned to normal.
Wasn't that before he got that power up?He had Hope inside of him, but only a tiny sliver of it to use against Ares. After Ares died, Kratos returned to normal and Hope went dormant.
Oh ok.The statement is “Near Olympian” which only puts him in the superhuman category, likely only matched by specific monsters and exceeded by the Gods
I know, I just saying Devs might have went a bit overboard in wanking Furies during a certain interview.tbh I don’t think this makes sense
Aegean is > Atlas by WOG and his brother is stated as the greatest challenge Kratos faced (at that point implying he’s up there with Ares)
Its weird the Hods would rely upon someone who’s so much weaker then their opposition, especially when narration describes him as a “Brute”. I think it’s clear the Furies best him via hax and illusions, that’s why they’re so dangerous
Ah makes sense lmaoI know, I just saying Devs might have went a bit overboard in wanking Furies during a certain interview.
I myself like Furies at 7B.
yep, still solid tho (and gives us City Level Hermes)Oh ok.
it wasWasn't that before he got that power up?
The three statements not even covering any comparisons with Greek.That is one statement Against three tho, doesn’t have the same weight and there’s still no actual reason he’d shrink canonically
And? They never stated the new height to be a retcon to the old so this changes nothing.How? They specifically note the change in height is because of the presentation, not an in universe thing
Which really doesn't mean much unless they themselves directly confirm the height change to be an actual retcon or explain why the height change happened within the universe itself.Again those are behind the scenes reason pertaining to an out of universe perspective, that’s not the same as characters being shown as the same height in the actual materials
Not until the devs give an actual in-lore explanation for this.Regardless the matter remains
Not even Mostly. Especially when it involves the final acts of GOW2 or 3.Mostly tho
Tiny issue, Aegaeon is > Cronos in terms of physical strength and equal to Atlas as per Ariel's statements with notes of having better upper body strength than both. The only other interview where Aegaeon is considered to be the strongest of them all is in the GameTrailers: God of War Ascension - Game Director Interview video, but that's all it says, whereas Ariel's tweet lays out more details with Aegaeon's strength and where the advantages lie.The statement is “Near Olympian” which only puts him in the superhuman category, likely only matched by specific monsters and exceeded by the Gods
tbh I don’t think this makes sense
Aegean is > Atlas by WOG and his brother is stated as the greatest challenge Kratos faced (at that point implying he’s up there with Ares)
The Intro only states that Zeus freed the guy after the War when he just so happened upon him in the Underworld.Its weird the Gods would rely upon someone who’s so much weaker then their opposition, especially when narration describes him as a “Brute”. I think it’s clear the Furies best him via hax and illusions, that’s why they’re so dangerous
I believe that's more or less answered by Ares' desire to hone Kratos into the perfect warrior to tear down Olympus itself as per Ascension gradually, not that he got it at once upon getting the Blades.he’s referring to a statement Athena gives in one’s novelisation; before he gets the Box