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Norse Kratos lost his abilities from his Greek self
Norse Kratos lost his abilities from his Greek self
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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread
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We knew this the day Kratos stabbed himself in GOW3 in the final leg to stop Athena from having Hope.
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Well we knew he lost his powers but we didn't know he can't use Greek powers besides a few exceptions being the blades and spartan's rage.
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Yeah, I've seen a lot of depictions with polearms and the Khopesh. The mace idea still sounds pretty cool.
I'd also give Kratos a bow, again, but Atreus being around kind of makes that pointless
Yeah I believe the Chimera is also in Egyptian Mythology. There's a siren in more modern Egyptian urban legend that's quite like those in Greek mythology, could be cool.
Yeah, but knowing god of war, we'll likely end up fighting some. What if someone could corrupt them like the Valkyries and hel walkers?
This I'm most excited for. The Norse Gods, aside from Odin and a few others were lacking in Hax. And even Kratos didn't really have much Hax this time around. When he goes to Egypt I'd like to see the return of magic and the replacement of Talisman/ Relics.
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Something I've always wondered about Fallen god, is why is Athena back in her Physical form? Is she an illusion? Does she have the ability to revert back?
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Thing is, Kratos is insane in Fallen God. Nothing in that story makes sense in any perspective whatsoever.
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I did. The moment I finished GOW3 I knew why he also lost every other power up he had gained over the years in Greece.
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True. How did he even get to Egypt in the first place if the pantheons rule different universes? Maybe he was brought there?
I don't know, what a weird ass story.
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Everyone knew that, but no one knew it was because greek magic couldn't be used in another mythology.
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Wait so the flames in the blades of chaos aren't greek magical in nature?
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They're special so they function. Probably because Primordial stuff.
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I don't think that's the case, if it was he be able to use the blades. He left out the fact that he released his powers and left the blade of Olympus that had them behind.
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He wouldn't have made an attempt to use greek magic in the norse realms if he was talking about the powers he released because he knows he didn't have them anymore but he said he tried to use greek magic and it didn't work so the meaning is clear.
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Wait
So is the "primordial" portion of the blades of chaos, multicultural in nature?
Because when Surtr said that they have primordial flames and Kratos was like "these aren't of these lands", he said "doesn't matter".
Is the "primordial" portion something that's independent of culture? Is there just a bigass void that the OGs (Chaos, Ginnungagap, etc.) come from that has flames in there?
Cause ain't no way "greek magic" doesn't work but "primordial flames" from greek mythology do
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In goW1 novel it is mentioned to essense of the Primordial Chaos, the void before creation.
Hence name Blades of Chaos...
Make of that what you will.
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Yeah but ain't Chaos... or at least chaos from the OG games... specifically greek in nature?
Or is the single chaos spread throughout multiple cultures?
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There isn't a definitive answer to why the blades work. Primordial stuff was just a guest. For all we know the reason could be because Athena cast a higher dimensional curse on the blades.
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That's not what was said.
Rather that the destruction of his home land likely severed his connection to that magic.
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Infinitely bigger than low 2C just 2A, and bigger than 2A is low 1C
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Tbh every culture has similar kinds of Chaos/Void. Although I doubt they are singular.
For example..
I remember Chaos being called Great Grandfather to Zeus somewhere, but can't seem to recall.
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What other powers did he have outside of the ones in the blade, and his equipment which were destroyed by Zeus? Probably just something whoever wrote that dialogue forgot.
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Great Grandfather because he birthed Ouranos yes, but Egyptian mythology has a Chaos too which birthed Ra. Would this make those Chaos' the same since "primordial flames" apparently just don't give a damn about region?
This is giving me a larger cosmology above the 9 realms and such, one big multiverse holding a bunch of verses' multiverses inside of it, and that big multiverse is a bigass creature with many names, Chaos, Ginnungagap, etc.
Cause ain't no way that the Greek flames still fulfill Norse flame prophecies
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Way I view it is since Freya says magic is bound to the earth it could be assumed that the primordial flames from Chaos are unaffected by the greek world being destroyed, Chaos does predate the earth and as such the magic from it probably shouldn't be bound to it and wouldn't disappear like the rest of the magic in the greek world die.
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I guess
Reminds me of this
Chaos (Riordan)
Even Tartarus had to rise from somewhere. This is the edge of the earliest darkness, which was my mother. Below lies the realm of Chaos, my father. Here, you are closer to nothingness than any mortal has ever been. Can you not feel it?Akhlys Tier: At least Low 2-C Name: Chaos/Khaos, The Sea of...
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How Riordan's Chaos is the Chaos of multiple cultures
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Ra birthed himself by giving himself a name.
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Maybe.... It's only now because of Ragnarok that we are thinking about Chaos being singular accross cultures. So a new baby theory. Now we will have to see if SSMS think same way.
But it does seem very plausible that Chaos the Void might one accross everything.
But it does seem very plausible that Chaos the Void might one accross everything.
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Depends from the source then, so L on that
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Can you show me what source says that?
Because in my own studies, I have never seen chaos birthing the creator god of the egyptian. Instead, what is always repeated, is the allegory of the entity giving a name to itself from inside chaos, which is what prompts existence into being when the newly born god (the sun god, not always Ra) starts shaping things from itself, giving name to everything.
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Eh... no.
Being infinitely bigger than Low 2-C or space and time themselves and viewing them as insignificant to your existence in the long run is 100% Low 1-C, as long as implications of existential superiority exist. You don't need to see a 2-A verse as infinitely small to qualify for Low 1-C, and like Planck said, viewing them as infinitely small alone won't give you any higher Tier whatsoever. It needs to have implications of existential superiority first and foremost.
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source = my bad memory, don't count on it
i recall ra forming himself as well, so throw that away
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Well then what was Ra before he was named Ra?? Like what was their composition?
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Ah, alright lol
Was curious if maybe I missed something.
Mostly because, what my personal belief on what the creation myth of the egyptian represents is, effectively, the moment which humanity itself gained sentience and started trying to give meaning "to the chaos" around them.
That's, ultimately, what the entity and the creator god is. As the embodiment of "heart" and "thought", is the divine consciousness connected to everything (a theory which Jan Assman himself elaborates on in his book).
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Nothing, then turned into something
Basically, didn't exist, then existed
Some sources also say Ptah created Ra instead of the self creation belief
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We aren't supposed to know.
I linked above the story of Neb-Er-Tcher (presumably the name of the original entiry). He is indescribable, as he's beyond "heart" and "thought", which is reflected on the meaning of his name: "Lord to the Uttermost Limit"
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Is not some sources. That's how the myth went in the Old Kingdom.
Egyptian myth and religion, as I explained above, evolved alongside the advance in their own culture (also explained in Jan Assman's book). To them, their religion was also their science, and so it reflected their beliefs at the time.
With the transition from the Old Kingdom to the Middle Kingdom, belief in Ptah died down and the god Ra was born.
Edit: This also reflected on the personal beliefs of certain Pharaohs. Like the one that started the belief on Amun, which later became the syncretism of Amun-Re. As the person that embodied the powers and law of the gods, the pharaoh pretty much has control on their own myths.
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Doubt it. Chaos is a female Primordial as shown in GOW Ascension, mother of the Primordials Ouranos and Gaia (Brother/Sister/Parents to the Titans), Tartarus, Ourea, Ceto, Nyx and Erebus.
Aye. I always championed the idea of a big-ass multiverse referred to as the World, holding a bunch of other multiverses inside it. I believe that's what the devs meant by "geographical divides"
The World would look like our world from an artistic interpretation, and each country on it would represent a Pantheon or Lands, to speak of. But the realms within those lands cannot be interchanged with the geographical divides that would be the "borders" on this massive world. In reality, each of these "countries" and this whole "world" are far bigger than most realize, but it's made to look Earth-like for ease of use.
I still don't get why people use the above interpretation to downplay GOW to below Tier 2 into Tier 6. Clearly this is not the standard world we live in. Heck, in many other verses where space-time continuums are very much a thing, even their complete collections are called Worlds. Even big bangs happening within the same universe, with that same universe being called world. Do we treat every single one of these cases as "Planetary" and then downplay the realms within it not being larger than stated because of this false premise? No, of course not.
Greek flames are just built different. Greece is just built different.
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Well i just says being infinitely bigger. I know being infinitely bigger and have qualitative supperior can make it low 1C, but just being infinitely bigger alone is just make them 2A by default
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2 Chaos'. One for Life and one for Void iirc.
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So apparently no one knows where Heimdall's horn comes from. Mimir says Odin just randomly came on it. Could be another mythology
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