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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

KLOL506 said:
Except they're very clearly not. Already in some of the scans you can see that the first concept art is of Attica, while Paxton's is the basilisk. This throws a hard wrench into the so-called "discrepancies" that you pointed out. What benefit would it do for them to change the above wallpaper download options? If they really were copypastes you'd see the Basilisk in every single one of them. But you don't.
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The absolute worst part about this is that only the Morpheus tale has the Basilisk, every single other scan has Attica. To make matters worse, Morpheus is an actually genuinely cropped image, if you look at the bottom you can see black and some tiny white lines streaking like a constellation or words like we saw on Paxton's page.

So do tell me, what good would it do for them to just forge scans and then put them onto Paxton's image and then also go through the effort of replacing the Basilisk with Attica? What benefit would that give them?
 
CrisisCrysis said:
It's no biggie to reduce the resolution of a PNG image to make it blurry.

Yeah, because they likely used the images on the Paxton website itself and edited it on M.S. Paint.
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Explain why they're not all Basilisk then but Attica.

CrisisCrysis said:
Similarly, no one from the GoW powerscaling community actually bothered to save a scan which had a life of like a few hours before it got nuked back in 2018.
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Yeah, they didn't.

CrisisCrysis said:
So convenient, eh? Nothing on Y.T., no data on WayBack, no guides on how to get the Flash mini-game on the net
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And you just decide to ignore the fact that the concept arts just came out of thin air and couldn't initially be unlocked until you played those trivia games?

CrisisCrysis said:
(mind you, Island of Rhodes was ALSO a Flash site yet you can find its videos on Y.T., its existence on WayBack, and articles on the net), yet someone had the scans lying around in pristine condition all these years and decided to reveal them only recently. So convenient.
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Why do you keep bringing up Island of Rhodes? It got retconned.

And you're just gonna keep ignoring the concept art of Chains of Olympus which explicitly existed on that site at first. Great.

CrisisCrysis said:
Not to mention, the scans you guys are using are compressed when compared to the Paxton ones, indicating that some guy got the Paxton scans and edited them on M.S. Paint. That led to this compression.
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Again, explain Attica.

CrisisCrysis said:
Also, why is the F.B. post fake? It was literally replaced by some other post. And it proved that the promo team of GoW, although rarely, does delete/replace social media posts.
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Because it contradicts the fact that SSM had an official timeline of their own (Helios) before uploading all of it onto their FB page.
 
KLOL506 said:
The absolute worst part about this is that only the Morpheus tale has the Basilisk, every single other scan has Attica. To make matters worse, Morpheus is an actually genuinely cropped image, if you look at the bottom you can see black and some tiny white lines streaking like a constellation or words like we saw on Paxton's page.

So do tell me, what good would it do for them to just forge scans and then put them onto Paxton's image and then also go through the effort of replacing the Basilisk with Attica? What benefit would that give them?
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It's literally just cut paste to replace the image of the Basilisk with Attica, lulz. That's exactly the reason why the scans are compressed compares to what we see on the O.G. Paxton site. If all the scans were actually from the website, they should've been of the same quality. Somehow the resolution is the same, but the compression is visible in the scans being used here.

The F.B. post with 2 back-to-back Cory confirmations is definitely more legit, even if it can't be used because nearly the entire V.S.B.W. community would've a knee-jerk reaction for 1-B GoW.
 
CrisisCrysis said:
It's literally just cut paste to replace the image of the Basilisk with Attica, lulz. That's exactly the reason why the scans are compressed compares to what we see on the O.G. Paxton site. If all the scans were actually from the website, they should've been of the same quality. Somehow the resolution is the same, but the compression is visible in the scans being used here.
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Again, explain it to me what benefit it would do to replace the Basilisk with Attica when they could've achieved the same end result by merely copypasting the scans onto the image.

The compression of the pages can be easily explained by them taking up space to accomodate for the letterings and the paragraph size. Also, Morpheus is another piece of evidence why your claims don't stick, as that is a proper crop as one can see with the black box and the white letter like lines at the very bottom of the image.

CrisisCrysis said:
The F.B. post with 2 back-to-back Cory confirmations is definitely more legit, even if it can't be used because nearly the entire V.S.B.W. community would've a knee-jerk reaction for 1-B GoW.
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Hard disagree. The fact that the original post doesn't exist nor does the checkmark exist, plus the fact that the Greek Era stories were more or less preserved years after release, but the Norse scan somehow wasn't despite being too close to the release window, alone is more than enough to refute the legitimacy of the FB scan.
 
KLOL506 said:
Again, explain it to me what benefit it would do to replace the Basilisk with Attica when they could've achieved the same end result by merely copypasting the scans onto the image.

The compression of the pages can be easily explained by them taking up space to accomodate for the letterings and the paragraph size. Also, Morpheus is another piece of evidence why your claims don't stick, as that is a proper crop as one can see with the black box and the white letter like lines at the very bottom of the image.


Hard disagree. The fact that the original post doesn't exist nor does the checkmark exist, plus the fact that the Greek Era stories were more or less preserved years after release, but the Norse scan somehow wasn't despite being too close to the release window, alone is more than enough to refute the legitimacy of the FB scan.
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So the fact that other than the Morpheus scan, all other AREN'T proper crops doesn't bother you at all? Also bro, check this:-


And compare it with the other disputed scans which are allegedly from the same website. The cut-pasting has been done so badly here that it even COVERS the download option and the resolutions. This isn't the case with other images. This totally gives it away.

The other images also aren't forged well. The gap between the text and the download option for the Basilisk/Attica concept art is different in every image, which wouldn't have been the case had it been official. This is amateur editing.

The Greek posts have been deleted/replaced as well. I gave you an example right here. It was deleted because of, like you said, a contradiction with the timeline but it did exist. It's nothing new. Also, we have Cory confirming twice that the post DID exist, so that's more than enough.
 
Planck69 said:
Also like bruh, I'm not exactly frothing at the mouth for more upgrades when plain 2-C is more than enough for me. I'm just glad we no longer have to clutter his page with unnecessary tiers.
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I don't care if the upgrades get accepted or not (they most likely won't be due to the fact that nearly everybody here would have a knee-jerk reaction witnessing 1-B GoW), I'm just arguing that the F.B. scan with 2 of Cory's confirmations are definitely more legit than the shady Temple of Helios scans.
 
CrisisCrysis said:
I don't care if the upgrades get accepted or not (they most likely won't be due to the fact that nearly everybody here would have a knee-jerk reaction witnessing 1-B GoW).
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Not really. Frankly, I think we're getting past the time of people on this wiki getting panicky at God of War's higher tiers. The thing is, this wouldn't be an issue if it existed as a lore piece, dialogue or guidebook statements. If that were the case then I'd personally make the thread myself. But it isn't the case, all we have is one scan. No verse would be able to use.
 
CrisisCrysis said:
So the fact that other than the Morpheus scan, all other AREN'T proper crops doesn't bother you at all? Also bro, check this:-


And compare it with the other disputed scans which are allegedly from the same website. The cut-pasting has been done so badly here that it even COVERS the download option and the resolutions. This isn't the case with other images. This totally gives it away.

The other images also aren't forged well. The gap between the text and the download option for the Basilisk/Attica concept art is different in every image, which wouldn't have been the case had it been official. This is amateur editing.
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Literally Helios is the only image here that is hiding the download titles, and that's prolly because of the page covering it up to accomodate for the large text and paragraphs or someone ******* up the code. The game ran on Flash and the game itself was on the main official www.godofwar.com website (Which is indeed archived but requires Flash) so if you can play it again with Flash some way or another, you'll prolly see that's how they used to work back then.

As for the other images, those are proper crops more or less, Attica being on majority of them and having the download options with the only exception being Helios alone, the Morpheus one I'd argue took way too much of the black background behind the page, but it's still legit. The image gaps can be easily explained with the background changing color per story. They were never the same throughout.

Also the actual stories were made under the title "God of War: The Lost World".

CrisisCrysis said:
The Greek posts have been deleted/replaced as well. I gave you an example right here. It was deleted because of, like you said, a contradiction with the timeline but it did exist. It's nothing new.
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Clearly is something to note when Helios is miraculously still intact. Also interesting to note that the imgur link says they were replaced without showing the original link of the deleted post that should show a "Content hidden or removed" warning.

CrisisCrysis said:
Also, we have Cory confirming twice that the post DID exist, so that's more than enough.
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Even if we were to assume that the post did indeed exist, this on its own not not even be remotely anywhere near enough evidence to confirm High 1-B Yggdrasil, especially given Freya's statement and the recent contradictions of the Well of Urdr and somesuch.
 
Also, any idea why we originally had the Nine Realms at 4-A? Like, they're mirrors of each other (Alfheim even has its own starry sky as far as I'm aware) and I don't think we have a reason to assume the cosmos are arbitrarily the size of a star field rather than well, the cosmos.
 
Planck69 said:
Also, any idea why we originally had the Nine Realms at 4-A? Like, they're mirrors of each other (Alfheim even has its own starry sky as far as I'm aware) and I don't think we have a reason to assume the cosmos are arbitrarily the size of a star field rather than well, the cosmos.
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Compromise situation based on the starry sky statement I suppose.

All the realms have their own starry sky, Svartalfheim even.
 
Hey so this might be a bit roundabout but can we use the fact that the Nine Realms operate on differing flows of time and the fact that the Yggdrasil's very strands are transcendent of time and space to confirm that each realm is temporally isolated? Since, there's no overarching timestream for the World Tree (being that it isn't bound by time or space) to bind all the realms and tree itself exists in a gray void.
 
KLOL506 said:
This is most likely where the story for the images for The Lost World came from later after the images were found, release date included.

www.beyondvideogaming.com

God of War: The Lost World ⋆ Beyond Video Gaming

Learn more about God of War: The Lost World and find out where to buy God of War: The Lost World .
www.beyondvideogaming.com www.beyondvideogaming.com
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The article is from October, but it seems the story was indeed available online, the image crops here are also different but seem to be very close in size.
 
Planck69 said:
Hey so this might be a bit roundabout but can we use the fact that the Nine Realms operate on differing flows of time and the fact that the Yggdrasil's very strands are transcendent of time and space to confirm that each realm is temporally isolated? Since, there's no overarching timestream for the World Tree (being that it isn't bound by time or space) to bind all the realms and tree itself exists in a gray void.
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Yeah. Realm Tears also only threaten individual realms as per the 2018 Prima Guidebook and are noted to be literal holes in the fabric of reality itself.
 
Planck69 said:
Hey so this might be a bit roundabout but can we use the fact that the Nine Realms operate on differing flows of time and the fact that the Yggdrasil's very strands are transcendent of time and space to confirm that each realm is temporally isolated? Since, there's no overarching timestream for the World Tree (being that it isn't bound by time or space) to bind all the realms and tree itself exists in a gray void.
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They are physically isolated too BTW. The realms cannot be accessed physically without use of the Realm Travel Room or without that special key that Brok and Sindri made using Mimir's Bifrost Eye energies, even if you are on the branches of Yggdrasil themselves. Meaning you couldn't go from one realm to other just by physically flying or by walking on the trees without use of a Unity Stone either. Valkyries do that because they're imbued with Bifrost energy which more or less allows them to safely bring stuff in or survive the void.

We still haven't concluded whether they physically traverse the distance between the realms though I'm inclined to say it's just Bifrost opening portals.
 
KLOL506 said:
Literally Helios is the only image here that is hiding the download titles, and that's prolly because of the page covering it up to accomodate for the large text and paragraphs or someone ******* up the code. The game ran on Flash and the game itself was on the main official www.godofwar.com website (Which is indeed archived but requires Flash) so if you can play it again with Flash some way or another, you'll prolly see that's how they used to work back then.

As for the other images, those are proper crops more or less, Attica being on majority of them and having the download options with the only exception being Helios alone, the Morpheus one I'd argue took way too much of the black background behind the page, but it's still legit. The image gaps can be easily explained with the background changing color per story. They were never the same throughout.

Also the actual stories were made under the title "God of War: The Lost World".


Clearly is something to note when Helios is miraculously still intact. Also interesting to note that the imgur link says they were replaced without showing the original link of the deleted post that should show a "Content hidden or removed" warning.


Even if we were to assume that the post did indeed exist, this on its own not not even be remotely anywhere near enough evidence to confirm High 1-B Yggdrasil, especially given Freya's statement and the recent contradictions of the Well of Urdr and somesuch.
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Come on, man. At this point, there's no way to defend those scans. Too many redflags. Nobody ***** up the code of an official Flash game, lulz. We can't play the game again because the WayBack machine doesn't let us go beyond the "enter your age" page.

They should be the same though. The interface of an official Flash game isn't compromised. They aren't dumb. Such amateur mistakes can only be done by a rookie editor. An experienced game developer making a Flash game would simply change the text size and/or formatting to fit in the text without covering up the download option. This is common sense.

Helios one is intact because it was the official timeline. It was much more important than the other one. The IMGUR image of the deleted post links to the post which replaced it. There's no point in linking the deleted post anyway, as it won't show anything. It'd just show the message that the content isn't available anymore.

Cory clearly says in clarification #2 that the games have simple and grounded explanations of the cosmology, while the post-release promo stuff such as guidebooks, promo posts, novels, and artbooks are meant to go more in-depth of the cosmology (using complex scientific terms). So obviously what Freya says in the game won't be as impressive/in detail as what the F.B. promo post said. What was contradicted by the Urd well by the way?
 
Fixxed said:
Isnt thats what mimir explain to kratos
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Yes but you need more than that to prove separate timelines and thus, 2-C. Which we seem to have since;

  • They are alternate planes of existence.
  • They have their own flow of time.
  • They are supported atop the bowers of the Yggdrasil, which transcends space and time and exists within a shimmering gray void.
 
Planck69 said:
Yes but you need more than that to prove separate timelines and thus, 2-C. Which we seem to have since;

  • They are alternate planes of existence.
  • They have their own flow of time.
  • They are supported atop the bowers of the Yggdrasil, which transcends space and time and exists within a shimmering gray void.
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I think you try to says that we use the yggdrasil's thing to prove the realm is seperate in time, when it have its own proof
 
CrisisCrysis said:
Come on, man. At this point, there's no way to defend those scans. Too many redflags.
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Already explained why those concerns don't add up, but it seems neither of us is willing to concede to this. So we'll just agree to disagree on this.

CrisisCrysis said:
Nobody ***** up the code of an official Flash game, lulz. We can't play the game again because the WayBack machine doesn't let us go beyond the "enter your age" page.
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The flash game came out in 2007. You can't even use Flash on WayBack for that page anymore because it's stuck at asking for Flash Player 8. And because Flash is no longer supported on any browser anymore. You can't even get as far as the age gate within the 2007-2008 period because that's how long the game remained before being shut down after CoO released.

CrisisCrysis said:
They should be the same though. The interface of an official Flash game isn't compromised. They aren't dumb. Such amateur mistakes can only be done by a rookie editor. An experienced game developer making a Flash game would simply change the text size and/or formatting to fit in the text without covering up the download option. This is common sense.
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Again, read above. By code I meant "Inspect Element".

That or the page could be scrolled up and down freely. This is also another aspect I was talking about, like a free-floating slideshow you see on many game sites today. Flash really liked gimmicks a lot so it could very easily fall under this.

That and the formatting for these scans are far, far better in grammar and arrangement than any of the other fake scans with egregious battleboarding lingo that we have seen prior.

CrisisCrysis said:
Helios one is intact because it was the official timeline. It was much more important than the other one. The IMGUR image of the deleted post links to the post which replaced it. There's no point in linking the deleted post anyway, as it won't show anything. It'd just show the message that the content isn't available anymore.
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Except we don't need it to show anything, we'd just need to know if the content was deleted/not available anymore to begin with via using that link.

CrisisCrysis said:
What was contradicted by the Urd well by the way?
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It seems to possess no mystical powers of its own, but Codex pages for it in the game have yet to be revealed.
 
CrisisCrysis said:
Cory clearly says in clarification #2 that the games have simple and grounded explanations of the cosmology, while the post-release promo stuff such as guidebooks, promo posts, novels, and artbooks are meant to go more in-depth of the cosmology (using complex scientific terms). So obviously what Freya says in the game won't be as impressive/in detail as what the F.B. promo post said.
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As everyone else has told you, this alone won't be enough to upgrade anyone to High 1-B as none of this is represented in the game or any of its other material even by the term "infinite dimensions", the closest thing we have to this is the "endless possibilities/realities" statement in the Card Game which is now directly in contention with Ragnarok's Well of Urdr not having any mystical power to speak of, other than being a random lake in Midgard. And the "branch stretching out to infinity" part, which is really the only good renaming statement left at this point.
 
CrisisCrysis said:
Nidhogg, I guess. He chews the Yggdrasil's roots to prevent it from overgrowing and there's a statement by Ratatoskr that he can potentially collpase the World Tree.
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The Stags also clear any overgrowth on the branches to prevent excessive growth. I assume it's to keep the main solid branch intact I guess while preventing any stray "leaf-like" branches from growing and ruining the balance of the tree.

And Nidhogg's children are verbatim stated to be capable of devouring the realms if placed in the wrong hands.
 
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