Crazy how we found evidence for a tier 2 nightmare statement from a 2001 guidebook in Japanese only wikis but can't find any evidence for this world tree description existing anywhere other than fictional vs debating areas of the internet.
Huh really? I can't seem to find these scans anywhere other than V.S.B.W., and they don't seem to have 2 major dev confirmations either:-
The website doesn't necessarily have to contain the quote but the person who ran the Facebook doesn't put a description in quotes and link to the website unless the quote existed on the website. Wayback shouldn't even be needed to find evidence that the Facebook post existed, looking up the quote should pull up discussions, videos, forums, posts, websites, or anything else talking about the Facebook post too but nothing shows up besides debate forums using the scan or quoting the scan.
You can actually find those with a google search
This is from Temple of Helios, a novel written by Marianne Krawczyk, they meant to serve as background stories for the characters in Chains of Olympus. The original site is now gone, but it existed at one point, gave you cool artworks for every story you unlocked.
Does the WayBack machine have the data of Sept. 2018 for that website "bit.ly/GoWNorse"? No. So obviously, we'd never know if the website contained the quote or not. But we have Cory confirming twice that the quote's canon, so I'd go by just that. It's more than enough for me.
Is it on WayBack?
Nah, nobody managed to save it. But the stories were captured as screenshots.
That's EXACTLY my point. These are old scans with no WayBack backing them up, yet they only surfaced like 2 years ago (I know this cause' I have been following the GoW power scaling community since a long time). They don't even have dev confirmations about their canonicity, yet we still use them. Similarly, we don't have WayBack to back up this F.B. post or the website it linked, but we do have something which these Greek GoW stories don't have. 2 confirmations by Cory. That's EXACTLY why I'm saying that it's more than enough evidence to use these scans.
That's irrelevant to the point. If I can find evidence for the temple of helios game (the stuff you linked) existing from a google search but not for this Yggdrasil statement that is a big red flag.
The power scaling community was active, not as much as it is today naturally but it had its audience. The post being limited to a smaller audience on a public Facebook for a game that has incredible hype surrounding it sounds fishier and highly convenient.
Marianne Krawczyk was the main writer for the stories as well as all the Greek games including Ascension before departing, and it's no secret to anyone that the site did exist for you to access cool concept art first and foremost. This was way before battleboarding with GOW became this serious, mind you. So to say there is no dev confirmation about their canonicity is simply put, blatantly false. It's more rock solid than the current email conversations that we have about this FB feat that doesn't even exist anymore and literally didn't connect that directly to the game like CoO did.
Like Dienomite said, irrelevant to the discussion at hand. If we can find screenshots of this obscure story with nothing more than a Google search (Considering that this was literally used to promote Chains of Olympus and its concept art that is 100% real and known to majority), but we can't find this FB post because it got mysteriously deleted while everything else from the Greek Era was left completely untouched and intact, that in and out of itself is insanely problematic to boot, to say nothing of the shit other verses get whenever there are upgrade threads to make them Tier 1 and there is little to no evidence to support it or the evidence used to propose the tier is flimsy as **** at times.
1. I can't find the existence of a game called "Temple of Helios" anywhere except for a GoW Fandom wiki stating that it did exist. And even that page was published recently. Even if the game existed, that doesn't mean the scans are necessarily real. Even I can use the same logic and say a game like GoW 2018 exists and has the Yggdrasil in it as a focal narrative point, so the F.B. post must've existed. I don't say that though. The only reason why I'm arguing the post's legit is because of 2 confirmations by Cory.
www.paxtonyue.com
web.archive.org
All of the above claims are incorrect. Check my reply above.
Ironically, now that I look at it, remnants of Temple of Helios actually does exist in some official capacity or another.
Playstation
Playstation
Further legitimizing the stories of Temple of Helios. Which mind you, has also been noted down in wikipedia.
Marianne Krawczyk - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
This scan is 100% fake. The only real ones are the Tales scans.3. The language of this scan in particular sounds extremely battle-boardy and not in-line with the Greek GoW cosmological themes. This doesn't quite feel like something Marianne would write:-
Temple of Helios (Game)
The Temple of Helios was an online game hosted on the official God of War website at the time of God of War: Chains of Olympus's announcement in 2007. It was created with the intent of promoting the game as well as rewarding the more devoted fans of the franchise with exclusive content by asking...godofwar.fandom.com
Already debunked you on that front. The works are literally written down on the portfolio of former SSM art consultant Paxton Yue, which I have linked above in its web archive form and unarchived form.
Already did buddy. Check the links above.
That FB post is standing on considerably thin ice. We have actual portfolios from Paxton Yue whose visual cues match the Tales to confirm this is not the case.
Isn't that funny, the concept art of the Basilisk part matches the Tales pages of the Temple of Helios to a T.Ironically, now that I look at it, remnants of Temple of Helios actually does exist in some official capacity or another.
Playstation
Playstation
Further legitimizing the stories of Temple of Helios. Which mind you, has also been noted down in wikipedia.
Marianne Krawczyk - Wikipedia
Those screenshots on those sites are all actually of the same resolution, unlike the scans which you guys are using. This makes it even more sussy. And just because the game existed, doesn't necessarily make the scans real too. That's not a really good argument to make. Can you give a dev confirmation? Plus, these scans surfaced only recently. And WayBack machine, guides, YouTube, etc. don't have the proof of the website anymore (which is sussy in itself since the Island of Rhodes website of GoW 2 did have those things to back it up). So the question arises, where did you guys get them from?Ironically, now that I look at it, remnants of Temple of Helios actually does exist in some official capacity or another.
Playstation
Playstation
Further legitimizing the stories of Temple of Helios. Which mind you, has also been noted down in wikipedia.
Marianne Krawczyk - Wikipedia
Did you even bother checking the Paxton Yue link fully? Or the Basilisk header with the available resolutions you could download that image in? The screenshots are of the same resolution because they're remnants of the original game archived on the link as a portfolio.
Island of Rhodes got retconned by Ascension.
See where it references the links to. Straight to Paxton Yue's link where it shows the header of the Baslisk and Atlas stealing the Sun video.
Yes, yes I did. The Paxton Yue link doesn't have the scans you guys use. It just has similar images. But all those images are of the same resolution, while the scans you guys use (saying it's from the website which Paxton talks about) aren't. It's as if they were edited in M.S. Paint or something:-
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the screenshots you guys have taken supposedly from the actual Temple of Helios website and use for the Greek GoW profiles are of different resolutions. One of them even has a white portion on its left side, indicating as if it was forged in M.S. Paint:-This is the biggest piece of evidence against your claims. Check the Basilisk section and the number of available resolutions you could download the image in. Straight from the portfolio. This image is ironically the same resolution as the Tales scans we are using.
Buddy, the scans we use are also 1048x926.
You got the wrong quality scans then. Replace "static" with "vignette".
Because Temple of Helios's main attraction was the concept art. The stories were just bonus unlockables that not many cared to give a shit about.
It didn't, people knew about the concept art. The powerscaling debating only came into light after 2018 when the upgrades were being made.
And where else will you find Island of Rhodes? Again, the powerscaling community weren't that obsessed with finding these scans.
All that I have answered.
I find that hard to believe given the images that I have shown you now.
Pretty damn sure we do not use this scan. This is fake as ****. Grammatical errors are a dead giveaway that this is not the real Temple of Helios scan.
Ok, that makes it even more sus. You can actually SEE the slight white colour at the image's edges in the first 4 images. NOT ONLY THAT, but the 2 bars dividing the 3 images above the text in all those screenshots are sometimes white and sometimes grey. Too many discrepancies, eh?
Most of those are page effects of the page edges that blend in, buddy, if you zoomed in a bit closer you'd see that. One of them even blatantly has the copyright watermark of Sony, in The Tale of Helios. And most of the gray at the edges can be chalked up to the image being cropped on a crappy monitor. Like on the Morpheus tale where if you look down you can see some black and white lines which indicate there was more text but they didn't screenshot the full thing.
You can't be serious.
Backed up how? I'd believe it if they deleted any of the prior Greek era posts but those are perfectly intact.
Sony's copyright mark PNG can easily be found on the net. And, no. They are pretty clearly edited pics. It seems someone downloaded the pics from the Paxton website and edited them, hence the discrepancies I pointed out. As a result, their quality looks lower/worse/compressed that what we see on the Paxton website. It's clear as day. Also, if these scans are so old, why weren't they covered on YouTube or even here until a few years ago? It's as if they appeared out of nowhere with no proof of their existence literally anywhere except for a Paxton website.
They would be high quality then, not low quality blurred like this.
Except they're very clearly not. Already in some of the scans you can see that the first concept art is of Attica, while Paxton's is the basilisk. This throws a hard wrench into the so-called "discrepancies" that you pointed out. What benefit would it do for them to change the above wallpaper download options? If they really were copypastes you'd see the Basilisk in every single one of them. But you don't.
Because the powerscaling community wasn't as active back then. And because no one bothered to preserve the Flash games.
Most likely because someone had pictures of the scans lying around.
Nope, they work fine for me.
Actually, no.
The big bird you see. Until she just up and told Mimir she wants to retire and give the job to someone else.
It's no biggie to reduce the resolution of a PNG image to make it blurry.
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