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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread
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If only
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Lol, even with any contention on his strength relative to his peak Greek self, it's unlikely that the pantheons aren't relative in power. Have no idea how someone can think Baldur is outright stronger than Zeus, invulnerability not withstanding.
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Considering that Zeus can make short work of other gods' powers and literally make them mortal just by thinking I doubt invulnerability would even be a factor to the fight.
On top of this there is Zeus's own insane power increase after he rapidly recovers from the BoO repeatedly after Kratos keeps stabbing him with it to no avail.
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That and the fact that Kratos at his peak pre-Hope seemed to have a much, much harder time against Zeus in their final bout. Like, taking the Baldur fight, how many times would the latter have been dead if he didn't have Freya's "lol no" protection?
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Too many I'd reckon.
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Saw that leaked Kratos vs Thor fight
Kratos dying in the fight only for Thor to say "Nah bitch we ain't done" and use Mjolnir as a defibrillator to bring Kratos back to life just to continue beating his ass is so raw
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Kratos killed Magni pretty handily but Thor made it sound like he couldn't believe Kratos was capable of it and chalked it up to luck during that fight. Wondering if Kratos is weaker somehow in this initial fight against Thor? Hell he doesn't even have the blades in this fight.
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Thor didn't chalk it up to luck he know who Kratos is and going by the dialogue it seems it's more of "no way this is the guy who murdered my Son with this performance" and feels Kratos is much stronger than what he's currently showing
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Prolly not since his true power is still locked away deep within him.
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Uh yes. I know Thor is well aware of who Kratos is going by the clip. The question is, is Kratos somehow weaker, holding back, or both in this fight with Thor? Thor himself cannot believe the guy he is currently fighting would be capable of killing his sons without luck. No one would know his sons' capability more than he does so it does beg the question. Granted Kratos does not have the blades of chaos in this clip, but he didn't have it when he killed Magni either.
So either Kratos is weakened/injured/disadvantaged in someway, or holding back significantly, or a mix of both, in this fight against Thor.
So either Kratos is weakened/injured/disadvantaged in someway, or holding back significantly, or a mix of both, in this fight against Thor.
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The intent is definitely that Kratos isn't going all out, is holding back and is somewhat reluctant to fight. In a recent interview Eric Williams confirms that Kratos has been training throughout the entirety of Fimbulwinter, so I doubt he is any weaker than his GOW 2018 self. It also indicates how far above Baldur Thor is just comparing their respective performances even from this small clip.
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I'm new here, but what's the general consensus here on how an all-out Norse Kratos would fare against Zeus?
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Zeus power-nulls and claps Norse Kratos because the latter even at peak physical strength is a shell of his former non-Hope GOW3 self who could barely stalemate Zeus even with all his versatility and all the other power-ups from the Titans, Hades' soul being ripped out and whatnot.
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How do we know that Zeus had a power increase after the end of GOW 2? Why would they not be the same power wise? Is there a source confirming otherwise?
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What about in terms of pure physical strength? Could Norse Kratos physically overpower Zeus?
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I'm gonna say no. At best they'd be equal before Zeus's AD kicks in and he murks Kratos faster than his own AD can keep up with.
You need to remember that the only thing Norse Kratos retains is his physical strength from his GOW3 Era barring Hope, and the Accelerated Development part. Even barring the physical strength limitations, GOW3 Kratos had every single power up imaginable from the Rage of the Titans, Rage of Cronos, Atlas Quake and Hades' own Soul mixed on top which contained Atlas's own Soul and in tandem his full power, and then he had Hermes' Boots and the Nemean Cestus and he still couldn't do anything better than a stalemate against Zeus. The QTE alone proves this, one wrong move and Zeus would instantly kill you.
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God of War 3's intro, where he blatantly states that in the time that Mt. Olympus grew, so too did the might of the Olympians. Zeus was massively weakened by the Blade of Olympus's power draining abilities, yet in GOW3 he's back stronger than ever and he instantly one-shots both Gaia and Kratos with just one single bolt of lightning like child's play. There's also the Redeemed Warrior being granted a portion of Zeus's abilities and that alone gives him the capability to rapidly regenerate their magic and increase their godly powers in combat.
In GOW2's ending, even with the BoO Kratos still lost against Zeus despite stabbing him through the abdomen with it multiple times in a row, and Kratos had to play possum to get back at Zeus once the latter assumed giant form yet again and immediately started hammering Kratos down.
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As of 2018, poorly. He's far out of his prime and lacks the weapons and magic that allowed him to stalemate Zeus when the former destroyed Olympus.
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Does every god have accelerated development in the GOW universe? Also does the QTE in GOW 3 in Gaia's heart chamber not prove that Kratos was the stronger of the two, if only slightly? It's Kratos that pushes Zeus back far enough gradually to Gaia's heart and stabs him. So surely that's not just a stalemate. Zeus seemed to be near-equal to him but Kratos seemed to be just barely stronger than him. Also with Hades and his soul taking, when he takes someone's soul does he gain their full power or just a slight power boost? So for example when Kratos took Hades' soul did he gain Hades' own power on top of his own might and in doing so gain a massive power boost? Also another thing, is Peak Kratos (ignoring Power of Hope) the physically strongest character in the verse or are there others like Thor or Atlas who are physically stronger?
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That makes sense.
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So far, only Kratos, Ares and Zeus do. The rest have Empowerment.
No. If you screw up the main QTEs that doesn't involve parrying with the Fleece, he pushes you back completely and then ends it right then and there and kills Kratos near instantly. In the second one Zeus even nearly manages to push down against Kratos, it is only with another Blade ram to the face is Kratos able to go back into deadlock.
They were both evenly matched, Kratos relied on his sheer skill to turn the tide of battle as they were both in a deadlock. Kratos would not have been able to push him back further if Zeus kept slashing at him, Zeus even nearly managed to edge out over Kratos in the second QTE after the parries.
Full power.
Not just Hades, but all the other souls Hades absorbed in his lifetime as per Bruno's own words. But he needs the Claws to maintain control over them. They were forever lost to him when Fear Zeus smacked him with his lightning bolt and destroyed most of his equipment.
Right now, as it stands, GOW3 Endgame Kratos without Hope reigns supreme in the physical strength department. Aside from Zeus himself of course, who would be his equal.
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Speaking about Ares. Is he stronger than Hades and Poseidon cause I've found conflicting sources. For example Athena foresees that Poseidon, Artemis and herself wouldn't be able to stop Ares in the GOW 1 novel. But then two sources state that Poseidon is second in eminence only to Zeus.
So that means that the Kratos that faced Zeus had the combined power of himself, Hades, Atlas and whatever other souls Hades had stolen? And Zeus outright matched him. Is there any character in the Norse Realms that might be as powerful as Zeus?
Makes sense.
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Pretty sure Athena is looking into the future here and that Ares will eventually become too powerful for even Poseidon to deal with, not that he's already stronger than him
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Ares as per Ascension is treated as the fourth strongest after the three Olympians. Hades being number 3, Poseidon being number 2 and Zeus being top dog.
And the scan itself seems to refer to her future sight should Kratos fail to obtain Pandora's box.
Though GOW3 itself kind of doesn't do that justice due to time constraints on development. Poseidon himself was supposed to have a much larger-than-life boss fight even in his depowered human form that would have required the combined efforts of both Gaia and Kratos to defeat. Instead, Kratos fodderizes Poseidon and promptly proceeds to beat him up, gouge his eyes out and then brutally snap his neck, killing him. In contrast, Hades proved to be a considerably tougher challenge for Kratos to handle, even managing to make Kratos struggle against him twice, first with the Soul Rip technique which Kratos is able to resist as a combination of his strength and his innate resistance to Soul Manip in general, and then there's the tug of war pull section. Poseidon was never able to possess any kind of threat like that because he got shafted in the development process.
Gotta wait for Ragnarok to see. Bruno did say that Zeus would fold Baldur, which makes sense given the current scaling chain, but he said the more interesting option would be Zeus vs Odin.
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I see. Ares being above two members of the Big 3 at that point in time wouldn't make much sense to me even with how much God of War takes liberties from the original myth. But yes the logical interpretation would be that Ares would become so in the future, just not at the current point in time.
I like to think that the reason why Hades was able to contest with Kratos much better than Poseidon could was because he faced a weaker Kratos after he fell into the Styx. I'm not sure whether the Styx did canonically depower him (certainly not overly so since he still went toe to toe with one of the 3 strongest gods not long after), but surely it's supposed to signify at least some sort of decrease in power, even if the health, magic and item bars aren't actual canonical things. Whereas Kratos faced Poseidon right off the bat in 3, where he's had his long journey of constantly growing, gaining power ups and so on in 2, plus he has Gaia's help (although honestly she was kinda fodder to Poseidon on her own).
I feel Odin will pose a more psychological threat to Kratos, using Atreus as some sort of leverage over Kratos in contrast to Zeus' threat because of his strength, power and supremacy to all the other gods.
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They have a better feat but in terms of scaling, not quite.
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Definitely didn’t expect that from the leaked gameplay but I love it
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well yeah, also weaponized Bifrost is interesting too for norse gods
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It should be blatant that the norse saga is a logan esque arc for Kratos. This idea that he was stronger than ever when he could hardly stand up after a fight with baldur from exhaustion was asinine.
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The guy playing failed the QTE and died in the Thor fight. You can tell Kratos has been whooping in his ass as he's all busted up and his health is halfway
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The dialogue indicates that Kratos is on the losing end, supporting the idea that Kratos dying to Thor was going to happen regardless of failing the QTE or not, much like with the Fear Zeus scene in GOW 3 where he killed Kratos regardless of whether or not the player failed the QTE. Kratos being on the losing end is supported by the Thor expressing doubt in the face of the fact that this was the man that killed his sons, and that he wasn't going to leave until he saw the real Kratos.
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It's worth considering that it's a joint feat of Thor and Jormungandr.
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Are we gonna have 2-A norse god like thor and jormundgar for shaking yggdrasil and make it time error?
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Can't divide in Tier 2 like that, you'd downscale from baseline massively but still be within that exact same tier. Tier 2 is nuts in that regard.
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