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Odin heals them
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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread
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If he reconstructs the bodies of those exact same peeps, Low-Godly Healing should work.
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It's only mentioned when they die odin brings them back. It could also be just resurrection for odin but idk.
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hmm i see, but blade of chaos amped surtur which able to affect world tree, so i guess there is some conceptual stuff within blade of chaos
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That's more a feat for Sutr than the Blades of Chaos. The Blades' Primordial Fire was mostly a catalyst for his transformation into the Ragnarok Beast.
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Mmmmm no. The blades are only there to contain Surtr's powers to be safely then stabbed into Sinmara's heart for the fusion to be fully complete.
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oh sure, make sense
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well even before that, blade of chaos stated by surtur has primordial fire.....
i mean the fire that kratos use to attack is not primordial fire ?
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Primordial Fires don't automatically mean you get access to the Concept Manipulating powers of the Primordials. Seems to be a thing obtained through Godhood, if Athena and Zeus are anything to go by.
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Oh nice
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i edit my comment
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Here's what I would've done to make GoW Ragnarok better with future patches:-
1. Make the first Thor boss fight cosmic scale. The Mjolnir can open rifts in Space-Time between the realms in the lore, so I would've had Thor "break" reality with his hammer and fight Kratos throughout the 9 realms kinda like this, eventually ending up in Midgard again.
2. Odin and Thor boss fight shouldn't be back to back. After Odin kills Thor, he flies away to fight off Surtr. We get to see Surtr's health bar decreasing. We have to quickly make our way through hordes of enemies and a bit of platforming before Surtr dies (if he dies, we see him get atomised from Odin's spear just like Thor and we restart from a checkpoint). This way, the Asgard Ragnarok sequence would be extended (a lot of people want that).
3. After reaching an arena, we throw the Leviathan Axe at Odin. Odin intercepts it and manages to catch it, but Surtr backhands him from behind as he was distracted. Odin comes crashing down in the same arena. And, now he decides to get rid of us first. The boss fight with him begins. Now, I'd put in a choice for the player to either wear the mask or break it when Atreus gets the chance to. If he breaks it, the fight goes like it did in the game.
4. If he wears it, however, things get interesting. He gets sucked into the green rift and it closes. Kratos loses his shit like he did against Thor in the first battle, and we get an INFINITE Spartan Rage buff. We see a Freya+Kratos combo at the end and Kratos starts punching the shit out of Odin (like how he did against Hercules). He doesn't listen to Mimir and backhands Freya who physcially tries to stop him. He only stops when Atreus comes out of the rift.
5. Odin's face has turned into a mesh but he manages to heal all his wounds instantly by uttering a spell. He then asks Atreus what did he see. Atreus tells him that he didn't see what happens next. He saw endless possibilities, none of which are predestined. All of them governed by our actions and choices. Atreus then says that Ragnarok happened because of Odin's own choices.
6. Odin says that the mask destroyed his family and kingdom, to which Atreus replies that it were his choices which led to all that. He even killed his own son. Atreus then asks Odin to be better, but Odin refuses still insisting that if not the mask, there must be something else which will help him know the future. No matter what, he'll never change and has to know what happens next. Finally, Atreus takes Odin's soul just like in the game after asking Odin "why'd you say that"?
7. The ending would play out the same except that in an additional dialogue, Mimir asks Atreus after Ragnarok is over about where did the mask go. Atreus says that when he was about to leave the rift dimension, a green woman who claimed that the mask belonged to that dimension took it from him. He gave it to her because he didn't want the mask to destroy anyone else like it destroyed Odin, and it's best if it stays from whence it came.
1. Make the first Thor boss fight cosmic scale. The Mjolnir can open rifts in Space-Time between the realms in the lore, so I would've had Thor "break" reality with his hammer and fight Kratos throughout the 9 realms kinda like this, eventually ending up in Midgard again.
2. Odin and Thor boss fight shouldn't be back to back. After Odin kills Thor, he flies away to fight off Surtr. We get to see Surtr's health bar decreasing. We have to quickly make our way through hordes of enemies and a bit of platforming before Surtr dies (if he dies, we see him get atomised from Odin's spear just like Thor and we restart from a checkpoint). This way, the Asgard Ragnarok sequence would be extended (a lot of people want that).
3. After reaching an arena, we throw the Leviathan Axe at Odin. Odin intercepts it and manages to catch it, but Surtr backhands him from behind as he was distracted. Odin comes crashing down in the same arena. And, now he decides to get rid of us first. The boss fight with him begins. Now, I'd put in a choice for the player to either wear the mask or break it when Atreus gets the chance to. If he breaks it, the fight goes like it did in the game.
4. If he wears it, however, things get interesting. He gets sucked into the green rift and it closes. Kratos loses his shit like he did against Thor in the first battle, and we get an INFINITE Spartan Rage buff. We see a Freya+Kratos combo at the end and Kratos starts punching the shit out of Odin (like how he did against Hercules). He doesn't listen to Mimir and backhands Freya who physcially tries to stop him. He only stops when Atreus comes out of the rift.
5. Odin's face has turned into a mesh but he manages to heal all his wounds instantly by uttering a spell. He then asks Atreus what did he see. Atreus tells him that he didn't see what happens next. He saw endless possibilities, none of which are predestined. All of them governed by our actions and choices. Atreus then says that Ragnarok happened because of Odin's own choices.
6. Odin says that the mask destroyed his family and kingdom, to which Atreus replies that it were his choices which led to all that. He even killed his own son. Atreus then asks Odin to be better, but Odin refuses still insisting that if not the mask, there must be something else which will help him know the future. No matter what, he'll never change and has to know what happens next. Finally, Atreus takes Odin's soul just like in the game after asking Odin "why'd you say that"?
7. The ending would play out the same except that in an additional dialogue, Mimir asks Atreus after Ragnarok is over about where did the mask go. Atreus says that when he was about to leave the rift dimension, a green woman who claimed that the mask belonged to that dimension took it from him. He gave it to her because he didn't want the mask to destroy anyone else like it destroyed Odin, and it's best if it stays from whence it came.
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So far, only 9 branches, each stretching out to infinity. Each of the branches however, can have stray branches growing on it which can overload the branch and cause it to break off and collapse, dooming the Realm, so only one main branch is allowed while the strays are chopped off, Ratatoskr calls it a horticultural thing of sorts.
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Definitely would've been a better fight instead of rehashing the same movesets and leaving the big feats into cutscenes.
Though it definitely does prove that the Norse rely more on their hax, versatility, variation and cunning than brute strength across all regards like the Greeks, who are obsessed with perfection and going further beyond even that.
Not sure about this. Escort missions were a royal pain in the ass if the final Ares boss fight and the Translator protection section are anything to go by.
Kind of like the original plans for Kratos and Gaia having to combine their forces to hold their own against Human Poseidon? Seems badass if you ask me.
Better yet, why not just grant Kratos the Power of Hope and he proceeds to become completely invulnerably to Odin's bullshit, or that higher existence stuff Athena was yapping about?
Kinda weird that neither Kratos nor Loki even make mention of this to Odin in the fight to get him to dissuade his mad quest.
Pretty sure Kratos would be royally pissed at this last bit knowing full well who that Green Woman is.
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Because they hadn't seen it. They believed that there's nothing such as destiny, but they knew Odin wouldn't really concede to their "belief". However, once Loki had seen in the rift dimension that what they believed in was true all along, he'd then try to convince him (as even the mask for which Odin sacrificed everything showed him the same thing that they believed in all along).
Depends if Mimir tells Kratos that, or if Kratos asks Mimir about his final conversation with Atreus after he left. Nevertheless, it would set up a sequel pretty well (unlike Ragnarok where you only have one ending which is uncertain about the future of the franchise).
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Yeah but the issue is, that Rift isn't gonna let someone like Odin inside, given just what is needed to be ascended to the higher existence. A selfless sacrifice. Something only Kratos and Athena have done.
Hmmmmmm. Fair point.
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Pretty sure Immortality Types 1, 2 and 3 are pretty standard for most of the gods in the franchise. And considering Odin healed from the Axe Wound, Poison Resistance? Thor seems to be the only one who can't heal from it. For some reason.
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It will let Atreus inside though. That's why Odin asked him to put on the mask, and didn't wanna do it himself.
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Odin dosen't have type 2 and 3 on his profile for some reason.
And as for thor, no i don't belive he can't heal from poisoning. I think he dosen't even have regeneration for some reason. One asgardian said (when you play atreus) poisoning thor is like destroying a mountain with a spoon. Thor has resistance to Poison.
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I think these changes would've taken the game from a 9.5/10 to a 10/10.
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I know, but someone already upgraded his abilities and it just felt weird he/she didn't give him two types of immortalities.
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Honestly that alone won't fix Odin. A lot of the peeps are long overdue for an overhaul.
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Need a reminder what does Odin regenerating from the spear and axes wounds he gets from Kratos count as again? It's like Mid-Low or High-Low right?
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Mid low.
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If it's straight through his gut, Low-Mid. Since once inside Draupnir can be blown up which usually destroys everything around it in an explosion. Heimdall for starters, who lost his arm. Regenerating from severe organ damage is Low-Mid.
The Axe wound would be Mid-Low since it's a giant scar, plus Poison Resistance.
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I mean the blades of chaos work in hellheim due to primordial fires i believe.
Also not concept manipulating powers but only conceptual destruction.
Also why it need obtained through godhood ?
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It's just potent Fire Manip is all.
Because only the Gods have access to such a power and the Great Evils are already volatile in nature as is, much, much stronger than the Primordials. Zeus was pretty much the only other guy that could keep the evils in check long enough for them to be sealed into Pandora's box.
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Oh i really like your take for the ending, although i'm not sure about giving an optional choice for wearing the mask, since wouldn't that defeat the point of Atreus's characters arc?
But i like your take with Athena, since she wasn't show/mention in Ragnarok despire the fact that we know that she its still active, still its possibile that in the future she may return as antagonist in a possibile future sequel with Atreus.
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I Don't think atreus wants to be referred to loki
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Kratos most likely isn't saying this in reference to Fear Zeus, since he couldn't... actually face that blow nor survive it. It's pretty much referring to the base level forms of the Top Tier Olympians at best. And Kratos still whupped Thor's ass while holding back a tiny bit. If anything, it only confirms that Ragnarok Kratos is now outright comparable or just straight up equal to, if not stronger than his GOW3 Endgame Pre-Hope self in terms of physicals only, not hax. Then again it was already confirmed years ago in 2018 in the Sony blogs where it repeatedly states Kratos is slowly shaking the rust off and awakening his hidden strength. Definitely isn't Hope tho, he sacrificed it alongside his other powers to save Mankind.
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btw do you agree with low-godly stuff, it seem this is the safest option. Also it should be noted that souls in GoW consist 4 part, so odin would have those abilities too
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Not sure about low godly healing. Probaby if there is more evidence of him completely recreateing them from a soul.
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