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Giyu Tomioka vs Kyojuro Rengoku
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Rengoku fought on par with and could have killed Akaza
Marked Giyu needed help from Marked Tanjiro to kill Akaza, and even then Akaza died cuz he let himself die
Rengoku stomps
Marked Giyu needed help from Marked Tanjiro to kill Akaza, and even then Akaza died cuz he let himself die
Rengoku stomps
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Rengoku was beaten by Akaza contained in less half a chapter in the real canon (I'm using the DS canon manga for this fight, as the animation has a lot of things that the DS canon doesn't have), and Tomioka without a mark even stayed longer and defended better against Akaza's attacks compared to Rengoku, and you can also see in the fight between Tomioka and Samemi that Tomioka has good speed of reaction, since Sanemi is the second fastest hashira without a mark, and Tomioka managed to react to his blows.
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Rengoku was compared to Marked Giyu as stated by Akaza himself
Base Giyu is going to have one hell of a time keeping up with him without his mark
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Akaza never compared marked Tomioka to Rengoku, show me where this is said, I've read the manga several times and Akaza never mentions it.
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according to the wiki, that's what's stated
Rengoku was able to fight on par with Akaza after several minutes and did far more damage to Akaza than Akaza did to him, constantly slashing off his limbs, only losing due to his regeneration, and nearly beheaded Akaza in the end with 1 arm
Giyu fought Akaza for a few seconds and then got blasted into a wall so hard he couldn't come back until several minutes had passed, in which he cheapshotted Akaza by slicing off his arms, then immediately activated his mark. After activating his mark, Akaza continued to overpower him to the extent that he couldn't even injure Akaza anymore, then got his sword broken despite Akaza literally punching the sharp part of the blade. Sure he was able to slice off Akaza's limbs sometimes but Tanjiro basically did all the damage and had to save his ass multiple times.
Akaza was constantly complimenting Rengoku throughout his fight with Giyu and Tanjiro, while Giyu accomplished basically nothing against Akaza and let Tanjiro do all the work with See Through World
Rengoku was able to fight at full power despite having his ribs and eye crushed and internal organs damaged then he was run through and he STILL had enough strength to nearly kill Akaza. Rengoku in the past was able to completely ignore getting his eardrums destroyed plus multiple gunshots and other wounds long enough to stall Hairo
Giyu was staggered and barely able to fight despite taking lesser to similar injuries and having his Demon Mark activated.
If we're using BASE GIYU here, then Giyu gets completely godstomped. Marked Giyu did worse against Akaza than Base Rengoku did, and for all we know Rengoku could have a Mark of his own.
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Rengoku was fighting a restrained Akaza, Akaza was holding back A LOT because he wanted Rengoku to become a demon, even in his last attack he was still trying to convince Rengoku to become a demon. In no time is it said that Rengoku did more damage to Akaza than Akaza did to him. At no time is it said that Rengoku cut his limbs, he only cut him with shallow cuts. And there's nothing to say he fought for several minutes, he only spent half a chapter fighting Akaza.
Same thing with Akaza, just like the fight between Akaza and Rengoku in canon only lasted half a chapter, Tomioka vs Akaza lasted the same amount of time. Marked Tomioka was 1v1 against Akaza at exactly the same pace, Akaza wasn't dominating Tomioka, and Tomioka wasn't dominating Akaza, Tomioka had cut Akaza several times, and it demonstrated when Akaza and Tomioka move away that Akaza had several cuts around his body, Akaza only started to dominate Tomioka when Tomioka was tired.Tanjiro only saved Tomioka's life once, and that was when Tomioka was already very tired, and while Tanjiro had flashbacks and analyzed the fight, Tomioka was fighting 1v1 against Akaza.
Praising Rengoku? He said he was happy that Rengoku died because thanks to that Tanjiro got stronger.
Rengoku opened the door of strength in the flashback he had with his mother, so he was able to keep fighting, and that's a feat of endurance. Rengoku wasn't fighting at 100% in this state, when he was in this state he was simply standing there looking at Akaza while Akaza spoke, and then he charged forward with everything he had.
Tomioka took numerous hits from Akaza, since his base form Akaza was using his keikijutsu directly on Tomioka, and after activating his mark, Akaza kept using his keikijutsu on him, not to mention that marked Tomioka fought against one seriously Akaza, unlike Rengoku, which Akaza was Restraining himself not to completely kill him and turn him into a demon, Tomioka took several hits from a serious Akaza using his best moves.
Base Rengoku was completely defeated by suppressed Akaza who didn't want to kill him, Base Tomioka fought Akaza more seriously, since Akaza didn't want to turn him into a demon and didn't need to keep him alive, not to mention the disadvantage he had fighting in a small space
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1. Rengoku sliced Akaza's body several times and neraly cut off his head without using a Demon Slayer Mark nor a Bright Red Nichirin Sword. Akaza's attacks up until the killing blow were generally superficial in comparison. And he very clearly fought Rengoku longer than he fought Giyu, since Giyu was launched away after a few panels, much less half a chapter.
2. Marked Giyu was overpowered to the extent that he couldn't even injure Akaza at all, and got his sword snappe in half despite Akaza punching the blade side. I think you can tell that you're making me repeat my previous statements because your arguments don't address them whatsoever. Yeah you can argue that Giyu got tired and then lost, but Rengoku got tired got his ribs and eye crushed and literally just ignored the pain and continued to fight on par with Akaza, nearly overpowering him with his final attack, meanwhile even with Tanjiro's interference, Marked Giyu AND Tanjiro were still overwhelmed by Akaza.
3. Akaza only started taking Tanjiro seriously after he took Rengoku's words to heart. He never showed Giyu that level of respect
4. Cool cool, it's a REngoku endurance feast. Guess who doesn't have that level of endurance? Giyu, that's who
5. Giyu's base form attacked Akaza which did nothing, Akaza attacked him which Giyu dodged with Dead Calm, then Tanjiro swapped out and Giyu cheapshotted Akaza by slicing off his arm, which he instantly regenerated. Akaza then resumed his fight with Tanjiro, then Giyu tried cheapshotting him again only to get blasted into a wall. Base Giyu basically accomplished nothing compared to Rengoku, only accomplishing what he did using a technique specifically meant to dodge attacks (which stopped working later in the fight) and cheapshotting him while Tanjiro had Akaza's attention. Rengoku, on the other hand, fought akaza neck in neck and nearly killed him despite taking lethal damage.
6. Giyu without his mark was treated as a pesty mosquito, with Akaza never spending more than 2 seconds paying attention to him since he was too distracted by Tanjiro. Giyu tried backstabbing Akaza while he was fighting Tanjiro, but Akaza stuck his foot out behind him a bit and sent Giyu flying into a wall without even interrupting his fight with Tanjiro. With his mark, he fought him for a few minutes before getting thoroughly bodied and getting his sword snapped in half. Rengoku was fighting on par with Akaza in almost every way, and yeah u can say that Akaza was holding back due to wanting to turn him into a demon, but even after Rengoku was literally about to kill him and Akaza got serious, he couldn't break free from Rengoku's grip, and he was forced to rip his own arms off in order to survive.
bro idk why this is so hard to understand Rengoku did better than a Marked Giyu against the same enemy, and you're using Base Giyu in this fight.
Rengoku was stated to be one of the 3 Demon Slayers stronger than Uzui, as stated by Uzui himself, which, while not entirely accurate, is still significant since Uzui never mentioned Giyu in his analysis
Rengoku also has vastly superior stamina due to his basically immunity to pain while Giyu was staggered by lesser injuries
Rengoku can also "burn" Giyu with every hit while Giyu can't do the same with his hits, and even if he could REngoku can just ignore it
The only thing Giyu has going for him is Dead Calm but Rengoku can just overpower him just like Akaza did, and even if he can't Giyu can't attack while using it so it would only delay the inevitable
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Rengoku FRA. Not really sure why this was made when Rengoku 1v1s the same guy who thrashed Mark Giyu and Tanjiro. Outcome is pretty obvious.
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Rengoku was fighting a held-back Akaza. Bloodlusted Akaza stomps him. Truth have to be told, Akaza didn't even use half of his techniques against Rengoku.
That said, Rengoku should beat Giyu in base forms. But Marked Giyu should be superior since he forced Akaza to adapt to his speed.
That said, Rengoku should beat Giyu in base forms. But Marked Giyu should be superior since he forced Akaza to adapt to his speed.
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Yeah, Akaza never compared Mark Giyu to Rengoku to my knowledge. If you make a CRT about this, I can vote for that description to be removed from Rengoku profile.
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Giyu. Base Giyu alone is capable of cutting through his arms and Dead Calming his attacks. Rengoku has no way around that, too,
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You are simply appealing to ignorance, in addition to the fact that 95% of the fight in the movie is not canon, I already said that I am using the manga, where the original canon is, and Akaza was restraining himself from killing Rengoku because he wanted to turn him into demon.
Serious? You just ignore the fight that lasted more than 2 chapters between Tomioka and Akaza while Tanjiro had flashbacks, and the fact that when they stopped for a few seconds and showed Akaza cut in several corners of the body? Not to mention that Akaza was seriously fighting Tomioka, unlike the one he fought Rengoku.
He praised Tomioka's swordsmanship, and says it's been 50 years since he's met someone as good.
What have?
He exchanged blows during the beginning of the fight against Akaza for a few pages.
And then Tanjiro cut him, they returned to fight, exchanged more blows, and then Tomioka was thrown away, not unlike the canon of Rengoku, who parried a few blows, and it was almost dead in half a chapter.
Akaza didn't pay any attention to Tanjiro while trading blows against Tomioka, he only paid attention to Tanjiro when Tanjiro tried to cut him. And again, I'm using the original canon, 95% of the fight in the movie is just a fight that never happened, just done to be able to get a movie with a longer duration, and to give more hype to the movie.
Rengoku only lasted half a chapter, and was up against a very suppressed Akaza, Tomioka was fighting a serious Akaza that only started to beat him after adapting to his moves after 2 whole chapters and adapting to his speed.
Uzui never said that none of the hashira mentioned by him are the strongest, Uzui says he respects Tokito because he is extremely skilled, and managed to become hashira just a few months after picking up a sword, Giomey for his strength, since he is the strongest hashira, he mentioned Rengoku, because Rengoku unlike him, prioritized saving everyone even if it cost his life, and always tried to save people, since according to Uzui, several people died by little while he protected them, he just mentions people he respects for specific reasons, and the only one he respects for being extremely strong is Giomey, Tokito for being a prodigy, and Rengoku for his personality and willpower, and for always wanting to save everyone.
That's just resistance, besides, Tomioka was going to keep fighting.
I'm using manga canon, Rengoku basically did nothing against Akaza.
Besides, he says he hasn't faced someone this good in 50 years, that would already put him above Rengoku.
80% of the deeds you sent are non-canon, and not in the manga, this totally goes against the CRT, as I'm only using things that happened in the manga (canon).
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fine, if you wanna use the manga so bad then so be it
also btw none of your links work
1. Akaza wasn't taking Giyu seriously, nor was he cut. Giyu was only able to slash him across the stomach and nick his neck a bit, but besides that he wasn't doing anything. Meanwhile Rengoku even in the manga was able to overpower a serious Akaza physically and nearly able to behead him despite being skewered like a kebab
2. Yeah he did say that, and I admit Akaza did praise his skill to the extent that he wanted his name., but that's about it. He also said that Rengoku , had a phenomenal fighting spirit and fortitude despite his wounds, and had no openings, was one of the chosen strong ones, and had unbelievable strength. He said a shit ton more about Rengoku than Giyu
3. Rengoku fought Akaza throughout chapter 63, their fight was skipped until the beginning of 64, fought him throughout 64, and died on 65. Base Giyu fought Akaza for the first half of 148 before getting blasted into a wall. Akaza pretty much focused almost entirely on Tanjiro in that fight.
4. what original canon r u using? Akaza took turns with both Giyu and Tanjiro, then blasted Giyu away. Akaza was mostly focused on Tanjiro during that fight, especially after he temporarily took Giyu out of the picture.
5. Read above, Rengoku lasted far longer than that
6. Rengoku was still able to slivce his arm in half, then slash through Akaza's face, torso, and arm in a single attack, which is way more than Giyu ever did.
7. This can easily be translated to saying that it's been 50 years since he last killed a Water Hashira. Meanwhile, Rengoku was said to have nearly reached the "supreme territory", something he never mentioned against Giyu, even after he activated his mark.
Rengoku still has far better stamina and endurance, as well as his burning attribute with his attacks. Giyu doesn't really have anything on Rengoku besides DEad Calm, which Rengoku can counter with sheer power
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Rengoku was able to stop and overpower Akaza's fist despite being on the verge of death and exhausted. As of this point, Akaza was bloodlusted and serious as well, since he was desperate to escape the sun.
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Rengoku also sliced off Akaza's limbs and slice through his torso
Dead Calm stopped working even after Giyu activated his mark
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Tomioka marked kept Akaza busy for more than 2 chapters, and Tanjiro himself says that they were the same, and says that the human would eventually lose just because he had less resistance and stamina. That wasn't serious Akaza, just desperate, and before you say he was serious because of the sun, Akaza never used keikijutsu on his punch, and obviously his punch wasn't any faster or harder than the ones he used on his fight in the manga, and that was pure physical strength, Akaza has huge AP, not raw strongher, Akaza was surprised that he had that strength because of his physical state.
The unbelievable strength is because of his physical state, as injured people are much weaker, not that his strength was extremely great. Battle spirit doesn't mean strength, you can see in the manga that battle spirit is more things like killing instinct, will to fight, or reflects on the person's personality, having more battle spirit doesn't make you stronger. Tomioka and Rengoku have a difference between them, Rengoku is superior in some things, and Tomioka is superior in others, and are basically on the same level in others, him being one of the "strong chosen ones" doesn't put him above Tomioka, besides but , one of the reasons for this was his battle spirit and his potential.
Besides, the author made an official databook, which says that Sanemi, Tomioka, Mitsuri and Rengoku have the same amount of physical strength: https://external-preview.redd.it/aJ...ed&s=65f47620b7fc16e7ae5f5ae74332439981254917
In chapter 63, Rengoku only cut Akaza because he was targeting Tanjiro, and Rengoku was already close to Tanjiro, and the fight only started after half of the chapter, as they spent the other half talking. In 64 Rengoku was standing a few meters away from Akaza, and both in one little "talk", and then Rengoku advanced, there was no fight, just an exchange of one blow, in 65 it was just Rengoku trying to hold Akaza, not a fight .
Tanjiro went on top of Akaza at first, and after managing to cut Akaza, Tomioka went on top of Akaza alone and stayed a few pages fighting Akaza, and then Tanjiro tried to cut him by surprise, Akaza defended himself and kicked him, the kick sent Tanjiro a little away and Tomioka returned to fight against Akaza, Tanjiro tried a third time, and was again sent a little away, and Akaza returned to fight against Tomioka, and this time he sent him away with a surprise blow. Akaza only started focusing on Tanjiro when he sent Tomioka away.
Half of a chapter, in the other he just landed a blow, and yet in the next they didn't fight, Rengoku just trying to hold Akaza.
The first one he just cut because Akaza was aiming at Tanjiro, while Rengoku was already right beside him, in the second Akaza didn't even try to defend, Rengoku aimed at the cut area, Akaza aimed at his stomach, it's not hard to cut a suppressed Akaza who doesn't even try defend yourself.
He said "A water hashira?" "It's been 50 since I've faced someone so good", he doesn't specify the water hashiras, he speaks someone in a whole. This is shown false by Tanjiro, he reached the "supreme territory" (altruistic state/aggregation state) by zeroing his battle spirit, and it had nothing to do with strength or greater battle spirit, it was a state where one does not feel will to fight, has no killer instinct, one where his mind is "void".
Tomioka has more training, skills, better swordmanship, experience, reaction speed, perception, etc.
Akaza wasn't bloodthirsty nor seriously, if he was, he would have simply used his keikijutsu on Rengoku and destroyed his body, he had his hand to use his keikijutsu, and he had his legs too to use his keikijutsu, but he no used, despair and bloodlust and seriousness are different things, someone with despair does actions without thinking, someone serious fights and uses everything he has, someone with bloodlust really wants to kill his opponent and fights seriously, Akaza wasn't serious or thirsty of blood, otherwise he would have his keikijutsu in his hand, or his legs, just desperate and acting without thinking.
Rengoku cut because Akaza didn't try to defend in any of the moments he was cut, and Dead calm never stopped working, Tomioka didn't use it because it was a direct confrontation, and when he finally used it, it was against Akaza's most powerful ability, and goes in EVERY direction, dead calm and just extremely broken defense, not something that makes attacks go to 0 like the wiki says, even Tanjiro who had his reaction speed, dodge, sun breath AMP, perception and vision increased, it was unable to dodge all of Akaza's attacks.
Tomioka easily dealt with the same attack that almost killed Rengoku.
Tomioka and leveled to Base Sanemi, in pillar training (despite using wooden swords for training, they were fighting seriously, as the objective was to awaken the mark, taking the body to the limit) was able to defend Sanemi's attacks, exchange blows with him, and with the broken sword he managed a draw, not to mention that Sanemi himself recognizes Giyuu as a strong hashira, and that's why he says that he is no different from other hashiras, and he was so excited about the fight he wanted keep fighting with your own hands.
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