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Gilgamesh vs Novel Kars

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Apparently Gil is immune to time fuckerror so MIH isn't doing much, Kars takes this with D4C or (albeit much less easily) with Whitesnake popping him like a balloon. No Kars isn't above speed, TWU is potentially by lolnoping GER and stranggling it, the same GER that could act in erased time and threw Pucci into a void when he tried to rush and kill Giorno while tens of thousands of years were passing by in seconds and stated to be so fast that hed be moving much faster than light the literal moment he attacked (while his previous acceleration he was stated to be mach 241) but no, Kars has no feats like that, only The World does.
 
What does Gil's personality have to do with anything or tiers for that matter? Personality ain't gonna effect the battle that much if at all in this case and if tiers mattered here Kars would stomp as he's at least low 2-c going by feats but if that was the case ya wouldn't of bothered m as king the thread. My stance is Kars wins with D4C and Whitesnake although the latter makes it much harder and is only guaranteed with a small starting distance.
 
Simple, Gilgamesh in Fate CCC isn't arrogant, he uses Ea right off the bat and is far more willing to go all out, in fact to ensure he didn't get erased he even used 90% of his treasury.

Tiers has nothing to do with it, it's just that the Gilgamesh is arrogant argument holds very little weight.
 
Yes but why does that matter? Even if he uses everything the second the battle starts Kars with D4C isn't getting hit with them regardless of AOE unless they can hit Kars through multiple universes away and Kars can pop out right beside Gil with another Gil and paradox him out of existence. D4C gives Kars versatility, cannon fodder, an escape route, a way to instant kill and potentially if it works like Valentines a way to body swap if he has even a second to think before dying and come back prepared without a second delay.
 
And yes he can pop out literally right beside Gil, he has shown he can come out of even flesh with D4C as he did it with Joji and Valentine did something similar in the manga with Diego as he hid on his back.
 
I didn't say it did, people are using it as an argument when that isn't the case.

"Gil is far too cocky and will end up having his abilities copied and raised to ludicrous levels."-Jayslice
 
Meh, I wouldn't worry about that. He does bring up a point Kars with even a bit of exposure of witnessing of abilities can take them for himself but since these aren't abilities but rather weapons it'd be a no limit fallacy but he could still quite feasibly gain a resistance to an immunity by seeing them in action against his clones which is something Kars can do with D4C. KARS and D4C, unless Gil has resistance to paradoxing he loses and if he does he stalemate as Kars just fuckso off and never comes back or Gil wins via timeout. Without he has a chance if he really is immune to BTD's atomize effect as ya said since that leaves Whitesnake as the only option to beat him with and he needs to be within 10 meters to kill him with it. D4C stomps unless Gil has a paradox restiance feat. BTD potential win if Gil isnt immune but as you said he is so it doesnt effect anything. Whitednake is high-difficulty and could go either way depending on how close they start.
 
Fair enough.

Anyway, I already stated this but Gilgamesh looks like he's going to take an L
 
If its worth anything Gil kinda counters Kars as Gil uses weapons and tech and not superpowers the latter Kars could copy and outdo but the former being something he hasnt been shown to copy outside of generic stuff like speakers and a projector , Gil kinda counters Kars and if it wasnt for D4C it could go either way from what ive been told of ccc Gil with it coming down to starting distance on Kars next best bet outside of D4C.
 
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Can Kars survive getting conceptually erased by Enuma Elish?

EDIT: Read all the replies looks like Gil has no way to counter D4C so unless Gil can Enuma Elish Kars before he uses D4C, Kars wins.
 
Kars is infinite in speed tho considering he just kinda sat there as universe was being reset.

Conceptually erased vs someone with conceptual understanding.

Hmm.
 
Time fuckery is in there, but isn't the literal description that is given is that no one can keep up save for God and Pucci?

Time was literally speeding up.

He should have been effected, but wasn't.

I digress tho.
 
Did you even read the novel? MIH works by accelerating time, Kars adapts and is immune to the effects plus MIH works slightly differently in the novel, it doesn't effect things with a sense of self ie a person can't keep up since they have a sense of self. Kars isn't above speed but he is above time fuckery, ie time rewind, time stop, time acceleration through feats and although this one is just theorizing, time erase as he scales off someone who blitz GER and said thing is in his arsenal but better.
 
So we got me, Cropfist, Jayslice, Ramesses and from the looks of things Hit and Gargoyle.

That's 6 for Kars and (maybe) 1 for Gilgamesh.
 
This can be added, damn if Kars ain't powerful, wins against Gilgamesh and Yhwach, the later didn't even need D4CU or MiHU
 
Kars take this, he can just use D4CU too go in another timeline and steal Ea and BAM!!!

Kars 8/10
 
We already discussed this with that very point already being brought up. Kars already has more than enough votes.
 
Questions

Can Kars survive an Ea?

Does MIHU work instantly?

Isn't acausality only for the World Ultimate stand?
 
"Doesn't need to" as in he can get D4CU clones to tank it for him? Because Ea has a ignores durability, has massive range and AoE and is 5-A to Kar's 6-B, so it would tear through his clones like they are nothing.

I though MIHU slowly accelerates time until it reaches infinity. If that is so, Gil has resistance to BB's time manip, so he'd be able to tank it for a bit.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
"Doesn't need to" as in he can get D4CU clones to tank it for him? Because Ea has a ignores durability, has massive range and AoE and is 5-A to Kar's 6-B, so it would tear through his clones like they are nothing.

I though MIHU slowly accelerates time until it reaches infinity. If that is so, Gil has resistance to BB's time manip, so he'd be able to tank it for a bit.
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No, Gil dies before that, as stated above.
 
I'd say MiH doesn't "slowly" accelerate until infinity, the universe reset shortly after Jolyne's death in Part 6, which wasn't even too long after MiH was awakened, also, with D4C, the attack needs to bring INSTANT death in order to actually kill the user, which is why Valentine was so OP, he would've won in Part 7 if it weren't for the infinite spin (which tracked D4C to every universe), but yeah, D4C alternates could tank attacks as well
 
Also even though it ain't relevant MIH isn't exactly slow, it takes seconds to hit hundreds of billions of years in seconds and it accelerates,it only gets faster from there.
 
I know there is more than enough votes already, but Kars for reasons above.
 
Uhm guys... Are we sure this can be added? because.... Kars goes from 8-C to 6-B to at least 2-C... I don't know much aobut him but pretty sure it's a stomp for Gil up til this guy becomes Universal+.... So this match match up is a bit unfair wouldn't you say?
 
No because unless tanking MIHs resets becomes a thing Kars is only country+ that has hax and a lot of Kars' hax, one of which is 2c is rendered null here due to it being time manip abd the other 2c isnt exactly combat applicable outside of paradox. Plus Gil has hax like Ea that attacks conceots which Kars isnt resitant to concept destroying hax outside of maybe a single quote that id need to double check on. So no, it is fair game.
 
If he can tank something like that, who's to say he doesn't just do a planet sized Enuma Elish and destroy Kars and all his clones before Kars can kill him? This gil is a lot less arrogant and more free with his use of Ea after all.
 
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