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Gilgamesh vs Novel Kars

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D4C enforces a universal constant, even if he could somehow overcome that D4C in conjunction with Whitesnake still ohkoes as Gil cant regen from all his limbs, head, eyes, spine, heart, etc exploding away from each other effectively rendering him a pile of limbs.
 
No, he can't. But whitesnake does something with souls right? Gil is resistant to soul manipulation.
 
Yeah and the mind but Whitesnake can inject discs into people too. he pumped DIO full of blank stand discs and DIO exploded into a pile of body parts unable to regenerate for a lengthy period of time as only a single Stand is allowed per person, any more and your body goes boom.
 
This is all implying Gil can even tank his body turning into a merger sponge overlapping with a double untill theyre both paradoxed out of existence due to a universal law being enforced upon them.
 
I would say stands, which are based off the personality and mind/soul of the user, would be equivalent to Noble Phantasms which are also based off the personality, mind/soul (and weapons) of the user, which Gil can and does have more than one of.
 
Someone like Dio couldn't even overcome that rule and he had every right too, I don't see Gil overcoming a rule like that either, itd be a nlf, itd be like if I said Kars can adapt to being conceptually erased, he theoretically could but with no feats akin to that itd be a no go and wanking. Plus I wouldn't compare Stands to Noble Phantasms, there's quite a few differences a and itd only help Kars out in the end.
 
Dio is still of the JoJo universe and bound by its rules. Gil is bound by the Nasuverse's rules, and when the two overlap with verse equalisation, I would say Gil could have multiple Stands/Noble Phantasms. They are both the "special abilities" of the user, and are both based of the user's mind/soul/personality, so I would argue they are equivalent with verse equalisation.

And how would that help kars in the end? He still can't copy NP as they require physical items.

And are we forgetting SNI giving Gil the perfect strategy to win, telling him which Kars is the real one, etc? And Kars can't copy that either as there is no physical effect of it for him to see to understand and copy. Its just Gil knowing exactly what to do to win.
 
Kars has understood nonvisible things before, he deduced that DIO and Jorge were both singularities and the like, plus Kars is a supergenius, the dude has pulled answer out his ass when he had no right too, still confused on how he knew about BTD, maybe I missed something in story. Still, I wouldn't say Noble Phantasms and Stands are the same thing, if they were so similar Kars would likely be able to replicate their powers regardless if they functioned that close and even if he couldnt duplicate hed be able to gain immunities. I still consider it a nlf, plus i thought Gate of Babylon allowed him to use other phantasms and if thats the case likely not applicable in this situation.
 
Gil has 3 NP. SNI, Ea, and GoB, and other Heroic Spirits have also had multiple NP, then their own special class abilities and personal skills and the like. He can probably ignore getting some empty stand abilities.

SNI doens't even appear as an ability, its literally just him knowing exactly what to do to win. You're telling me that if Gil said "I havea an ability that lets me know exactly how to win", Kars would somehow gain that ability? There must be some limit on the "exposure" kars has, otherwise someone could just say "i can warp reality with a thought" and boom, Kars has that power. "I am immortal" boom kars has that power. "I can regenerate from my soul" boom kars has that power. Like, what?
 
To an extent, yes, Kars in story being able to replicate any power but greater as long as the person using it is a living organism is a central plot point, of course there's limit in vs standards although not a single limit was ever shown. Also Kars has experience with stuff like Gils precog, DIO with The Passion and a Beyond aka plot manipulation to a small extent, was able to know every single thing Kars would ever do and every possibility on top of that, with the help of Jorge Kars was able to circumvent that so Kars has experience at the least. Personally i dont belive ya can equate Stands to NP, someone well versed in both would have to answer if that null Whitesnake pumping him with blank discs. This still implies D4C wouldnt work which as far as im aware Gil hasnt tanked paradoxical erasure or KQ but im pretty sure someone said Gil resists transmutation and atomization earlier in the thread.
 
Now that I think about it, Kars could of potentially overcame The Passion on his own briefly by using BTD and universal travel to one up DIO briefly.
 
SNI isn't precog. It's more like Gil knows everything that is going on, and the precise actions he must take achieve the outcome he desires. And I really doubt Kars can understand and copy "Gil's awareness and mindset sublimated into a Noble Phantasm" seeing as it is Gil's mind. It doesn't activate either, Gil just stops restricting it and gets its effects, so there isn't even a name calling or anything that Kars can use to copy it.

D4CU probably wouldn't work seeing as Gil has tanked Saraswati Meltout and CCC, both of which were existence erasure and rewrite attacks done by people who were effectively the gods of the world he was in, pretty much equivalent to that "universal constant" you were talking about.

Whitesnake popping we'll need somemore input on though. I think he'd be fine, you think he wouldn't, so we'll wait for others opinions.
 
I guess precog would be the wrong term, from the sounds of it it should be comparable to The Passion as Dio knew everything Kars was ever gonna do and Kars still asspulled his way through (DIO could also read his future and future actions which is how he knew when to inititate his plans and still got one upped), anyway can Gil survive transmutation into a bomb? It says he has matter resist but thats a large scale, KQ transmute on an atomic scale for what its worth.
 
KQ's page on the Jojo wiki says it can't blow up if there is no air, so even if his resistance to matter manipulation can't help (which it still might), SNI would tell Gil to do the whole shatter reality and take the battle to outer space thing to null it.
 
Kars was able to BTD back several universes, all things considered Kars doesn't have that weaknesses if he decided to use BTD offensively as post story he was able to use BTD to rewind universes but for the sake of not wanting to go looking for more evidence I'll say it's pis. Anyway oxygen isn't a problem, Kars can supply it with oxygen himself using D4C to open a different world and let oxygen leak through or simply use something like Whammu's air cutter (which he's used in space prior)
 
Couple that with C-Moon to control gravity to make sure the air actually works and a vacuum shouldnt be a problem. Kars is capable of using his entire skill set all at once, the only problem is WS/CM/MIH, with those its one at a time but still usable with the rest of his skill set. We can even get creative and have stuff like Das Boot phasing and deadly viruses and patheogens, which Kars has everysingle one to ever exist in his arsenal. Although id refrain from doing that as Kars rarely did anything with his bio arsenal but its still apart if his kit.
 
For what it's worth Kars doesnt actually need to fight, he can send an innumerable amount of clones all with his own powers including his Stands and power mimicry and adaption to fight.
 
All of which Gil knows he needs to Ea immediately thanks to SNI, which he is capable of thanks to planetary range, higher AP and dura ignoring so...
 
And this is implying Gil can no sell all of Kars' techs which is still up for debate as if he can't Kars can just send a D4C clone of Gil out through Gil himself making it impossible to dodge or come out partially and have Whitesnake attack while keeping himself hidden in a different universe.

Edit: Plus Kars can body hop between clones if he's injured or doesn't die instantly if that matters at all.
 
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And? Kars can easily dodge it by teleporting between dimensions, not like Ea is instant or infinite in speed.
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Speed is equalised, and Kars needs to recognise just how much of a threat Ea is, which is kinda difficult considering it mostly just appears as a bunch of rotating air and energy, something he could tank easily.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
And this is implying Gil can no sell all of Kars' techs which is still up for debate as if he can't Kars can just send a D4C clone of Gil out through Gil himself making it impossible to dodge or come out partially and have Whitesnake attack while keeping himself hidden in a different universe.
Edit: Plus Kars can body hop between clones if he's injured or doesn't die instantly if that matters at all.
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Well I still think he can no-sell most of them.

And Ea will kill Kars instantly
 
Kars can understand concepts, beyonds (things that exist and are beyond time and space and takes the appearence of a jesus looking dude), singularites, and just about anything at just a glance, He'd realize it's a threat.

And yes, because speed is equalized it makes it easier for Kars to go in and out of dimensions as it's nigh-instant and works even if he's hit and can transfer only parts of his body at a time, ie Funnier having only his palms, Kars having a strand of hair/tendril, Funny being hit in the face and teleporting the middle of his head away, water falling on him and stuff like steam being enough to teleport away if it so much as makes contact.
 
Completely forgot about the virus thing, but I do have one question. Could Kars copy a conceptual attack? Or tank it for that matter?
 
Probably not. He's never been shown to, and there's a vast difference between a concept as an idea in the human mind, and a concept as in the principles reality is founded on.

But Kars still probably wins this. D4CU will lets him avoid Gil's hits and bring out clones, so its only a matter of time before he simply overwhelms Gil with sheer numbers, or just bombs him with Das Bot or something
 
As much as I believe Kars takes this Das Boot ain't doing shit to Gil, Das Boot is like what country+? Even if Kars went and got a thousand Kars and Kars gave each one D4C and had them search for more Kars (or create as they create universes with Kars in them as shown with Funny in story) and they gave they Kars they find D4C and had them search for more untill there was an absolutely bullshit ammount of Kars with Das Boot, maybe then and only then would it bother Gil as Gil is a far cry above simply country.

Das Boot's only function in this battle is phasing while carrying microrganisms and the such or as space travel under the assumption that Gil busts earth and implying Kars can't use his Stands like The World for pseudo-flight (powerscaling off Dio and Pucci he'd be able too and unlike the manga Kars was capable of limited movements in space like riding hailey's comet and jumping from it and over 560km to a giotto spaceprobe).

Honestly Das Boot is fodder in whatever match Kars is gonna be in.
 
Das boot attacks from the inside though. Unless Gils insides are durable as hell. I dunno I always thought Das Boots deadliest aspect was it's selective intangibility.
 
Guys I wanna request this but can someone give me a summary of the votes please?
 
Wait did you count my vote? I'm not even sure if I voted. I think I did but just in case My vote went to Gil.

Reason being I think he can hold onto Kars long enough to get EA off.
 
@Aizenshere It probably wouldn't matter, Kars can move between universes to avoid it if need be. Anyway, this has been up for quite awhile now, someone should put this on the request page.
 
Patience friends, I believe an admin has already seen it on the matches requests thread.
 
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