I advocate a summary for the downgrade as well, since I have asked the staffs to evaluate this but none had comes which I believe they prolly don't know where to start, so with the summary of the downgrade and summary of the counterarguments from you which could help the staffs to understand, I hope we can make the CRT concluded soon
I don't think there's much to say, in the end, what matters is the fact that the argument of "term 'magic' in general = manipulation/use of elemental energy" is the only thing that supports the scale, which as I specifically described in the OP, this is not the case, in addition to there being no statement/evidence of the use of Elemental Energy or any type of UES in the creation magic used by the witches, I even put the scans directly saying what the creation magic is that the witches use to create the worlds.
We should get DDM to come back to this then too since they missed like 80% of the thread
I already did a couple days ago, but it seems he's not coming back to this thread yet
I dont agree w/u, we still need to prove the “Starry Sky” is the actual “Starry Sky” just like HSR case's. And yeah i didnt agree with 4-A Thread, still debatable.
That and the fact characters who are normally 7-A are immediately upgraded to 4-A makes no sense, such as Shenhe, Cyno and Alhaitham. They only got that tier just for keeping up with other 4-A characters, which is clear PIS, considering it's a big outlier and is not consistent with their own feats. It's like Amber punching Capitano and getting 4-A because of it.
Fate is determined by the stars. That's how Teyvat fake stars work. Simulanka is also based on Teyvat meaning that Simulanka sky is also fake which disqualify for 4-A. Not to mention we already know that stars are just light blubs you can attach back
Yes, your point makes sense.
I don't think you can say that every star is a light bulb you can attach back, still need proof for that outside of Simulanka.
Since the OP summarised his arguments, here are my objections:
This is the third time and you are still not getting it right. That description is for THE LOBBY. It means the lobby is in between the reality (Teyvat) & Fantasy (Imaginarium Theater).
If you dont have anything else to say then leave this thread and let the people who actually argue here finish this debate, its been NINE pages and no changes, yall complain abt character scaling but not argue against the core of the problem with his scaling and then we get 9 pages of yap, please let Garri Dog and Weaver finish this (and who else argues in this thread) and then you can comment in discussion thread if you want to, no offense.These people are trying their absolute hardest to downgrade Genshin Impact, just let it be man, honestly. Some characters need changes though.
Tbh you're right, I apologize
That thing is literally a book in the lobby. The stages are inside the book. The book exists in between reality and fantasy. Not to mention the room (lobby) is also stated as suspending between fiction and reality. Moreover, these stages of worlds if you want to call that way only exist for those who believe in it. That's the magic of imagination that Madam mage used to talk about. Toy medal and gold can have the same value if u believe in it but their core compositions are literally different from each other. The same can go for the stages. And it's inside a book. The events that happened in there are written in text. With this amount of information present, saying it's real because it's stated "True fantasy" (which is a really vague term to tell exactly what's it).
Or the book can be a portal to access those realms instead of being something that contains it.
There's literally no mention of the book being a portal to a different dimension parallel to Teyvat. That's just assumption and why did you dismissed the part about "magic of imagination" and the realms only become real to those who believe in them????
Do you mean this part? This is blatant flowery language, and it isn't even referring to any pocket realities created by Witches.
In addition to Woofy clearly talking about someone else and not Madame Mage (which is made very clear with "one of them"), there is also the fact that nothing says that IT was created by the ink, just that one of the witches has the ink
I think you clearly didn't read the entire Simulnaka mission, the Theater was created by Berbeloth (one of the 3 witches), as you can see from the description of the witch given by Woofy.
My interpretation continues to work here, besides the but, the world is not accessed through the book as if the book were a door, the world is literally inside the book, Alice herself says that she entered the book.
This is not a UES, it is just a section of skills, Elemental Energy which is a UES, it is necessary to use a UES to qualify for other statistics, which is not the case with witch creation magic.
It's literal, and the context doesn't contradict or refute any of this, it just further supports this point.
Seem? That's all? It's clearly talking about the stages. If you start at act 1, you will be teleported to a stage room with cardboards. When you start the challenge, you will see cardboard falling down and the world behind the stage is revealed. The background of the stages changes at certain intervals. It's clearly clearly clearly indicating these are "The special worlds" wolfy is talking about. Seem isn't not enough to debunk that.
This doesn't prove anything.
This is a hasty generalisation. Never was it once said the Madame Witch is Barbelotth.
"entered the book" Source?
I did not ignore anything; nothing explicitly mentions that those worlds are inside. Especially the 4-A realm in question for the sake of scaling.
What? Is this how you refute that? Really? Isn't a debate where each side presents their own arguments and debate on why one of them is wrong? Instead of pointing why my argument is wrong, you just kept saying "This doesn't prove anything" "This seem otherwise" "Negative".
Woofy literally describes Madame Mage as the Berbeloth, in addition to making it very clear that the witches he talks about are the 3 witches, you are just ignoring Woofy's own statement.
The book is literally filled with Traveler's adventures within the book, and those aren't even all the statements.
Are you literally ignoring Paimon saying "First storybooks, now a world inside a painting?"?
No. The storybooks weren't even referring to the realm in question. Also, Paimon used "storybooks" to refer to Simulanka because it is a world based on storybooks and inherited its theme.
wtf what absurd headcanon is this?
I think you are skipping parts of the CRT before commenting.
How does it mean nothing?
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If he wasn't referring to Simulanka with the term "storybooks" then my bad. I checked again and you're right, it seems like Paimon does seem to be referring to the book (that allows the Traveller to access the 4-A realm) itself when she said "storybooks". However, then again I provided evidence that the worlds aren't fictional at all; Paimon is new to the Imaginarium Theatre after all; she simply mentioned how she entered a world through a book, not saying that the world is inside the book. After all, there wasn't a similar statement saying "A World Within a Book" or something. Well, I see merit in the size of the realm if it is the case, but all I see is that only the World Within the Painting has its size insinutated, not the world accessed through the book which is the 4-A realm in question.
She is literally the only witch with creation magic that uses Hydromancy that we know of, besides the only witches we know capable of these acts are those who are part of the Hexenzirkel (greatest witches we know so far), Mona is only capable of using Hydromancy thanks to she.
There is literally nothing vague about this, it is stated directly.
Literally 0 evidence, we have no idea how the clothes were created, the clothes just appear on them when they are in Simulnaka.
Damn, this is an absurd level of forcing, are you just going to literally ignore Paimon comparing "worlds inside paintings" with the "worlds inside the book" they just came out with?
