General OPM Revision Thread

[Damage3245]

She had to avoid all of his rock throws completely, and he managed to fend off and take barely moderate damage from Gums (who damaged Genos) even after being taken by surprise.

But that was Tanktop Master buffed by Fubuki.

And not to mention that a character dodging an attack doesn't prove that the attack fully scales to them. It's common sense to avoid something being thrown at you even if it isn't all that damaging to you.

 

[ByAsura]

We just discussed them being comparable. But, if you disagree or have some evidence, then ok.

She was avoiding them for her life, grunting, and only destroyed one of them with her blasts. The intention is obvious.

 

[Emerald]

Shouldn't Genos and DSK scale to Lightning Max Low 7-C rating? Max believed that he still hasn't surpassed DSK yet even during the tournament

 

[Damage3245]

We just discussed them being comparable. But, if you disagree or have some evidence, then ok.

She was avoiding them for her life, yelling and screaming while fighting Drive Knight, and only destroyed one of them with her blasts. The intention is obvious.

When did we discuss them being comparable? You asked about TTM being buffed by Fubuki, and I said that wouldn't affect TTM's normal ratings. And Kachon also said we wouldn't scale it to TTM's normal ratings (or we'd backscale it).


I don't think this would affect TTM in the arc where he fought Human Garou.

 

[ByAsura]

Oh I read it wrong. My mistake, it's late here.

 

[Damage3245]

Oh I read it wrong. My mistake, it's late here.

No worries.

 

[Emerald]

Shouldn't Genos and DSK scale to Lightning Max Low 7-C rating? Max believed that he still hasn't surpassed DSK yet even during the tournament

Scan

 

[ByAsura]

I forgot about that.

Yes they should.

 

[Null]

House of Evolution Calculation​

TheRustyOne said there wasn't enough evidence for vaporization, and that we should go with violent fragmentation. This reduces the calculation to 420 tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level).

The suggestion preferably for pulverization

I really neutral for this, seems fine for the rest

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Shouldn't Genos and DSK scale to Lightning Max Low 7-C rating? Max believed that he still hasn't surpassed DSK yet even during the tournament

Scan

This is fine.

Actually, it should be Town level+, since they all scale to Suiryu, but I assume that wasn't updated.

 

[ByAsura]

Ok, so here's what I'm thinking for now. Obviously it's abridged.

Genos:

AP: Multi-City Block level (Created an explosion on this scale, and was later upgraded to the point where he eventually ripped apart Armoured Gorilla. Destroyed the House of Evolution) | Small Town level (Fought and damaged Deep Sea King) | At least Small Town level (Casually defeated Mosquito Girl and a hydrated Deep Sea King in a simulator. Integrated G4's technology to noticeably increase his power) | At least Small Town level (Stronger than before) | Large Town level, possibly City level (His offensive capabilities are stated to be significantly superior to his defences. Incinerated Gums' insides. Can severely damage Jet Psykos)

Dura: Multi-City Block level | Small Town level | At least Small Town level | At least Small Town level | Large Town level, possibly City level (Survived a blast from Jet Psykos)

Key: House of Evolution Arc | Post-House of Evolution Arc | Post-Alien Conqueror Arc | Post-Superfight | Monster Association Arc

 

[ByAsura]

This is fine.

Actually, it should be Town level+, since they all scale to Suiryu, but I assume that wasn't updated.

It was Small Town level due to downscaling.

Honestly, I'm not sure if that thread even ended properly.

 

[ByAsura]

It did end, I guess.

I think was supposed to be at most 7-C, though.

 

[ByAsura]

We can also dispense with the Bakuzan outlier stuff now.

 

[Recon1511]

It did end, I guess.

I think was supposed to be at most 7-C, though.

Yeah it should be "At most 7-C" for Snek, Max and the Three Crows

As for Bakuzan, I made a CRT about it and it was decided that Choze and Suiryu would just be "possibly higher" instead of scaling to Bakuzan

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It did end, I guess.

I think was supposed to be at most 7-C, though.

Hm. Then I suppose guys like DSK just becomes 7-C+. Peeps who upscale from DSK become At least 7-C+

 

[LordTracer]

At a quick glance, this looks good. Personally, I think the Cadres (Homeless Emperor, Black Sperm, Gums and Evil Natural Water) are fine at solid 7-B, I don’t think a possibly rating is necessary here.

 

[ByAsura]

Rover gets Low 7-B durability.

 

[Golden_Void]

Do-S, Fubuki, Sonic, Rover and Garou​

Fubuki is an outlier. That's an easy removal.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I don't think Choze can be used for scaling because although he is heavily implied to be Demon level, we never get actual confirmation. We will have to wait for the databook.

Chose wasn't impressive enough to be deemed a Dragon level threat. So the Dragon level threats should scale above him in AP, at least the ones who focus on physical strength.

 

[Damage3245]

At a quick glance, this looks good. Personally, I think the Cadres (Homeless Emperor, Black Sperm, Gums and Evil Natural Water) are fine at solid 7-B, I don’t think a possibly rating is necessary here.

Evil Natural Water wasn't killing Child Emperor through AP but by drowning him...

IMO, Evil Natural Water should probably get a Varies rating anyway tbh.

Black Sperm and Gums aren't necessarily "threats" just because of sheer power but because Black Sperm is nigh-impossible for Atomic Samurai to kill, and Gums is eating Pig God alive. Pretty terrifying in all honesty.

The only cadre who could reasonably scale to Vaccine Man is Homeless Emperor.

 

[LordTracer]

because Black Sperm is nigh-impossible for Atomic Samurai to kill

Or it’s because he beat the tar out of Atomic.

Gums is eating Pig God alive. Pretty terrifying in all honesty.

In the scan where it says they’re making the heroes feel fear, it’s when Gums is biting down on Pig God, which is just AP.

 

[Damage3245]

Well, as I said earlier I don't think the statement is enough for a solid rating.

 

[Recon1511]

I mean... Black Sperm is beating the shit out of Atomic, Gums is chewing down Pig God and Evil Natural Water water jets could pierce Child Emperor's body with ease. It's pretty clear to me we are talking about AP here.

 

[Damage3245]

I mean... Black Sperm is beating the shit out of Atomic, Gums is chewing down Pig God and Evil Natural Water water jets could pierce Child Emperor's body with ease. It's pretty clear to me we are talking about AP here.

The statement isn't about AP; it's about "threat" and we don't do threat level scaling for OPM anymore.

Evil Natural Water's jets can just scale to Child Emperor's durability.

Gums chewing Pig God can just scale to Pig God's durability.

Why do we need to complicate it by trying to scale them to Vaccine Man's biggest explosive attack? Nothing they've done actually warrants this. It is a big assumption to believe that the narrator is saying "Gums' biting strength is greater than the biggest attack Vaccine Man is capable of."

What's wrong with scaling characters to their own actual feats or fights?

 

[LordTracer]

we don't do threat level scaling for OPM anymore

We actually do for the Monster Association.

 

[Damage3245]

We actually do for the Monster Association.

That's for a specific case though internally within the Monster Association based on the statement about the Cadres.

 

[ByAsura]

Threat =/= Monster Threat levels.

We removed that due to a specific scan that explained the monsters' classification system isn't based on that kind of stuff. This one, for a fact, is at least somewhat different.

Anyway, let's just leave it as possibly for now. What we should focus on are the recalculations, finding better feats, and completely revamping the speed scaling.

 

[Damage3245]

Threat =/= Monster Threat levels.

We removed that due to a specific scan that explained the monsters' classification system isn't based on that kind of stuff. This one, for a fact, is at least somewhat different.

Anyway, let's just leave it as possibly for now. What we should focus on are the recalculations, finding better feats, and completely revamping the speed scaling.

Yeah, a re-calc could make this whole discussion redundant.

 

[Kachon123]

Accepted

One-Punch Man: Drive Knight Bishop Crushes Nyan

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[ByAsura]

I thought we stopped accepting that kind of stuff as LS.

 

[Kachon123]

I thought we stopped accepting that kind of stuff as LS.

Why

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah it's not LS. It was a punch/Slam which is just AP. LS is for prolonged actions or throws.

 

[Therefir]

Accepted

One-Punch Man: Drive Knight Bishop Crushes Nyan

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I would have calculated the force needed to move the debris, not break it.

Do you want me to do it?

 

[Kachon123]

Do you want me to do it?

Sure

 

[Therefir]

Sure

There you go, it was enough to reach Class G.

 

[Recon1511]

There you go, it was enough to reach Class G.

In the redraws Gearsper turned the debris into spears and then created a psychic tornado with them would that upgrade or downgrade the AP of the feat?

 

[Recon1511]

I guess its an upgrade for Gearsper since nobody scales to him

 

[Therefir]

In the redraws Gearsper turned the debris into spears and then created a psychic tornado with them would that upgrade or downgrade the AP of the feat?

It's already taking that into account.

 

[Recon1511]

Ah, true