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General OPM Revision Thread
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I'm currently against the first suggestion, if it is based on the statement alone.
When we need first to keep this organized is a list of all the relevant calcs, then consider if there's any feats we can get calced to add to the list.
Then we need to re-examine the scaling chain in depth. See where we stand with that.
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Why exactly?
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It's a non-specific statement that requires some generous intepretation and wouldn't even apply to a few of the Cadre members due to context even if it was regarded as solid for AP.
I explained up above to ByAsura I may concede on a "Possibly" for it for some of them, but not as their main rating and justification which should be based on something far more solid whether it be by feats or direct powerscaling.
I'll start drafting up a sandbox for the characters who need to be changed prior to the MA arc like Genos, PPP, etc.
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I completely disagree with it being non-specific.
It mentions how the heroes have extraordinary power, but despite their strength, there were beings strong enough to make them struggle.
It specifically references strength/power twice. Calling it a "non-specific statement" that needs "generous interpretation" is either lack of understanding or straight up disingenuousness.
If your issue is with which Cadre this statement would apply to, then we can discuss that, but flat out out-ruling it entirely for that reason makes no sense.
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"Strength" isn't always AP.
I've stated my opinion on the statement; trying to use it to make every Cadre > Vaccine Man's strongest energy attacks, when Vaccine Man's own stats are mostly unknown isn't something I think is most accurate for the profiles.
I've stated my opinion on the statement; trying to use it to make every Cadre > Vaccine Man's strongest energy attacks, when Vaccine Man's own stats are mostly unknown isn't something I think is most accurate for the profiles.
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What else is it then?
Did you not read what I wrote?
I literally said that if you want to discuss which specific Cadre would scale, we can do that.
Because of the wording of the statement, scaling them to Vaccine Man's strongest energy attacks works, as the Hero Association was aware of it.
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Whatever, I'm not interested in debating of the specifics of the statement right now. I want to focus on how we can actually revise the characters who are straightforward to revise.
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I'm pretty sure we've done that, no?
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Strength can mean many things.
Destructive capacity "damage"
Skills & abilities
Nothing that directly translates to "attack potency".
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In this context it clearly means battle power.
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ByAsura is only suggesting a possible 7-B rating right? It should be fine.
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Initially it was full 7-B, but I brought up the Possibly. And only for some of them.
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I don't even know what the original statement was lol
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I mean, there are lots of monsters who aren't necessarily powerhouses but are hard to put down.
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The monsters the statement was contextualized towards were the Cadre.
I know that some of them aren't purely strength as there are other factors, but that's why I'm saying that we should discuss which monsters wouldn't be effected instead of saying that we can't use this.
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So I guess 7-B cadres, possibly maybe?
High 7-C Post Superfight Genos, though I should mention that the Super Spiral Incineration Cannon heat blast was large enough to burn through the whole of Elder Centipede body, no idea if that can be calculated or not or if its an upgrade at all. (Chapter 84 pages 102-103)
Suiryu is 7-C+ so we downscale the crows and Max and Snek to "At most 7-C"? I don't quite get what we will do with Deep Sea King and PPP, iirc Hammerhead has an 8-A feat which PPP scales above of.
Class G LS for Gearsper
Therefir made this calc for Garou's stomp. Garou himself, Flashy, Platinum Sperm and AB Bang should scale to this.
High 7-C Post Superfight Genos, though I should mention that the Super Spiral Incineration Cannon heat blast was large enough to burn through the whole of Elder Centipede body, no idea if that can be calculated or not or if its an upgrade at all. (Chapter 84 pages 102-103)
Suiryu is 7-C+ so we downscale the crows and Max and Snek to "At most 7-C"? I don't quite get what we will do with Deep Sea King and PPP, iirc Hammerhead has an 8-A feat which PPP scales above of.
Class G LS for Gearsper
Therefir made this calc for Garou's stomp. Garou himself, Flashy, Platinum Sperm and AB Bang should scale to this.
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I’m fine with the Cadres only getting ‘possibly 7-B’ if it’s that big of an issue, but I really don’t think it’s necessary.
Post-Molt EC too, he scales to AB Bang.
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Oh right, then Genos probably does as well since not only the JDA broke one of EC teeth but his Super Spiral Incineration Cannon actually harmed EC, you can see all the damage he had to regenerate.
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I don't think scaling EC's teeth to his full rating is a smart thing to do.
Genos harmed EC solely due to the fact that the blast occurred internally.
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Class KOh and if we are removing scaling Garou LS to Tank Top Master then I think this feat should be calculated:
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I mean yeah the damage isn't big but he did break his teeth and the JDA was pushing against the whole of EC body
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I feel like this could use a recalc, the pixelscaling looks a bit wacky.
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I think that should be a "Possibly" or a "Likely" since Post-Molt EC never actually fought AB Bang so we can't be positive about how the fight would have gone.
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Yeah, Genos scaling to EC for breaking his tooth isn’t valid scaling.
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Well Bang already saw Pre-Molt EC as superior to his non-Awakening Breath self, so him believing he would perish while attempting to defeat Post-Molt EC indicates that he still doubts whether his AB is sufficient to compensate for the significant difference between their initial abilities and EC's additional power boost.
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While that's true Bang did imply that he would die going all out against Post-Molt EC and he should know his own strength
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The Low End is likely fine, but I've got to give it a proper re-evaluation tomorrow.
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DSK is above Max, who is At most 7-C
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We shouldn't try that old Ziller scaling where everyone under the sun scales and downscales.
Base Bomb and Bang should get at most ratings, while Genos/Gums and pre-Spiral Garou just wouldn't scale at all because they're one-shot gaps below characters who are actually on this level.
Even Darkshine scaling is sus because A) VFU got one-shot by this exact Garou, and B) Golden Sperm knocked him out with one blow.
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Actually, I recall some old arguments I've had, so I'm about to do something controversial here.
I don't think we should scale Bomb to the Garou that fought Bang, or Bomb should get an at most since he wasn't one-shot. Garou significantly bloodied many different parts of Bomb's face, practically immobilised him, and broke his leg with a normal punch (not some technique that bypasses durability).
'But Garou needs adversity to evolve' is a common (and false) argument that I've gotten in response to this; he simply needs to be pushed to become stronger at random points in fights. Garou was able to adapt to Psykos' telekinesis when simply held in place, get faster in the midst of running away from Orochi, and become faster and stronger while performing hits rather than getting hit. Even while overwhelming PS, this same Garou was accelerating, and grew to the point of one-shotting him in the space of one attack.
Clearly, the Garou that fought Bomb is evolved and is << the Garou that stomped Bomb, who's in turn < the AB Garou who fought PS and AB Bang.
I don't think we should scale Bomb to the Garou that fought Bang, or Bomb should get an at most since he wasn't one-shot. Garou significantly bloodied many different parts of Bomb's face, practically immobilised him, and broke his leg with a normal punch (not some technique that bypasses durability).
'But Garou needs adversity to evolve' is a common (and false) argument that I've gotten in response to this; he simply needs to be pushed to become stronger at random points in fights. Garou was able to adapt to Psykos' telekinesis when simply held in place, get faster in the midst of running away from Orochi, and become faster and stronger while performing hits rather than getting hit. Even while overwhelming PS, this same Garou was accelerating, and grew to the point of one-shotting him in the space of one attack.
Clearly, the Garou that fought Bomb is evolved and is << the Garou that stomped Bomb, who's in turn < the AB Garou who fought PS and AB Bang.
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