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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

The thread has been updated yet again. The reasoning gets stronger and stronger. Only thing left is to wait for the full guide to come out. Just imagine if they somehow mentioned “Pralaya” or the events of all that happened in Doctor Fate.
 
Guys, I've a question
Who you prefer as Flash in the Justice League? I mean, both Barry and Wally can be Flash, but who's the best JL member? I'd ask Barry fits the best, but Wally is a better Flash.
 
Guys, I've a question
Who you prefer as Flash in the Justice League? I mean, both Barry and Wally can be Flash, but who's the best JL member? I'd ask Barry fits the best, but Wally is a better Flash.
Wally has always been my heartthrob since I've enjoyed him during Justice League: Unlimited, the animated series.

I always like Barry, but he's niche to be honest. The CW shows and all the animated movies of his were good, the latter more than not since CW show got horrendous after like Season 4.
 
I dunno. Aren't the Flash characters so ridiculously overpowered and invincible that all the other Justice League members combined are redundant when the Flashes are present? 🙏
 
I dunno. Aren't the Flash characters so ridiculously overpowered and invincible that all the other Justice League members combined are redundant when the Flashes are present? 🙏
Even Spurrier who made Wally super-uber-overpowered in his current run has Wally asking for help from the JL to beat a version of Eclipso who ate a baby Speed Force (the JL can't make it because contrived reasons). Eclipso and Wally in his run due to running at hyperspeed on the moon have been at a stalemate for thousands of years, so apparently even the guy who has made Wally the most powerful being ever thinks the JL + Wally > Wally.

Incidentally this makes the JL H1-A
 
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I dunno. Aren't the Flash characters so ridiculously overpowered and invincible that all the other Justice League members combined are redundant when the Flashes are present? 🙏
Yes, but no.
Wally is definitely stronger, faster, more powerful and versatiled than ang JLeaguer combined, but he's just poorly written every time he's with them, so all of his Hax and abilities are practically useless when he'ith the team.

Barry's different, he just isn't as powerful as Wally, he isn't remotely as fast, skillful nor experienced as Wally currently (or ever) is. That's why when he's with the League, even when he's faster, doesn't feel like a total "you could beat the shit out of that dude if you really wanted" (he could, tho)
Probably other than Supes, they may.
Clerk's not remotely close to Wally in terms of power, not even to Barry.
Hal is someone who could be argued to be it, but not by that much.
 
High Outerverse level (All the Endless are said to oversee each aspect of Reality as a functionary of wave patterns, ideas, and motifs. However, each of the Endless we see and perceive is just an aspect of their truer being, in that what we see is simply a viewpoint of the total and pure conception of the Endless. Unlike said viewpoint, this abstraction is pure, non-tangible, and isn't limited to Creation)
High Outerverse level (Dream of the Endless is part of a dysfunctional family of conceptual entities that each represents an aspect of reality. In each iteration of Creation, Dream has an individual aspect overseeing said reality. However, Morpheus himself expresses that he is just one small glinting light from an endless perfect jewel, representing that he is just a glimpse of what Dream as a true abstraction is. This would be the case for all Dreams’ in each version of Creation because they're all heirs of Night and Time and each viewpoint is connected. Seeing as Daniel knew everything Morpheus knew as the “Dream of the Endless” and unlike said viewpoint, this abstraction is pure, non-tangible, and isn’t limited to Creation.)
All the scans for the Endless having a "truer form" are dead links.
 
Imgur deleted my previous account. A lot of scans need to be replaced.
I remember a big respect thread I used to use for scans became useless because the guy who uploaded scans on the imgur stuff had his account compromised permanently. Is there any particular reason why imgur does this or is it just a bunch of bots auto banning stuff?
 
I remember a big respect thread I used to use for scans became useless because the guy who uploaded scans on the imgur stuff had his account compromised permanently. Is there any particular reason why imgur does this or is it just a bunch of bots auto banning stuff?
They banned it probably because I used to many “God, Yahweh, and Angels” stuff since when I read my comments people were like “That’s not what it said in the Bible!”
 
Something I noticed on the Pralaya page is that she is the embodiment of nothingness but she doesn't have any form of Nonexistent Physiology on her Avatar or True Form? Shouldn't she have some extremely high level Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2, Aspects 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)?
 
Something I noticed on the Pralaya page is that she is the embodiment of nothingness but she doesn't have any form of Nonexistent Physiology on her Avatar or True Form? Shouldn't she have some extremely high level Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2, Aspects 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)?
Pralaya masturbator Goofy must have forgotten this! And yes, she has it.
 
Something I noticed on the Pralaya page is that she is the embodiment of nothingness but she doesn't have any form of Nonexistent Physiology on her Avatar or True Form? Shouldn't she have some extremely high level Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2, Aspects 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)?
Pralaya masturbator Goofy must have forgotten this! And yes, she has it.
I'm probably going to do a CRT on missing abilities. Like Father Time doesn't have Acasuality (Type 5)
 
Here is a random post-crisis comic which discusses Neoplatonic emanationism for no apparent reason, which I found by accident.

Written by Englehart. Does it mean something? Probably not. Is it interesting? Definitely.

From Millennium #5 (1988):
Is it connected to DC main universe?
 
Here is a random post-crisis comic which discusses Neoplatonic emanationism for no apparent reason, which I found by accident.

Written by Englehart. Does it mean something? Probably not. Is it interesting? Definitely.

From Millennium #5 (1988):
This story might not be canon btw. I remember bringing it up a year ago and its canonicity getting shot down by Deagon off of some creator owned issues. Although Deagon tends to be wrong about a lot of stuff from my experience, so I’ll look for the evidence.
 
This story might not be canon btw. I remember bringing it up a year ago and its canonicity getting shot down by Deagon off of some creator owned issues. Although Deagon tends to be wrong about a lot of stuff from my experience, so I’ll look for the evidence.
Millennium Fever (the creator owned comic you brought up) isn’t the same as Millennium (1988). The former is creator owned, the latter (the one I cited) isn’t.
 
Millennium Fever (the creator owned comic you brought up) isn’t the same as Millennium (1988). The former is creator owned, the latter (the one I cited) isn’t.
Funny enough, I was trying to use that comic to link up a “Dream Cosmology.” It didn't go too well with Ultima when I proposed it to him.
 
Funny enough, I was trying to use that comic to link up a “Dream Cosmology.” It didn't go too well with Ultima when I proposed it to him.
Even if it wasn’t creator owned it would have only been useful for a year or so until the tiering system revisions came around and its only seen use in an explicit infinite-dimensional statement became unneeded. Most of the other metaphysics in that series are recovered elsewhere, anyways.
 
Even if it wasn’t creator owned it would have only been useful for a year or so until the tiering system revisions came around and its only seen use in an explicit infinite-dimensional statement became unneeded. Most of the other metaphysics in that series are recovered elsewhere, anyways.
I, personally, enjoy Hinduism-inspired Cosmology much more than the Kabbalah and Judeo-Christian mythology (That’s also coming from the fact that I'm Catholic). The latter two are so over redundant. Although, I do like Sandman incorporating a lot of things to make it more diverse, but even then a God and a Devil figure exist. No shocker that the two are the most powerful things as well.

Mike Carey made the stale boring Western elements into something quite cool. Gaiman just used a bit of everything. DeMatteis' writing is consistently cool, but, repetitive and often boring. Hence why they can cancel his first Vertigo run with Seekers into the Mystery. I felt bad clearly alongside Moonshadow that was his soon-to-be magnum opus. All those years of idea and story just to be canceled due to poor sales.

As much as I want to include DeMatteis, his takes are extremely helpful in the cosmological sense. The only thing we can find is equivalency like God being a Universal force that pervades all things and Pralaya being nothingness from which Creation comes from.

Millennium Fever was interesting. Quite cool. Maiya was the most interesting thing.

So when Al Ewing comes. I'm going to hope he doesn't do all the Kabbalah stuff. It’s just too repetitive across all fiction. They like doing it for some reason.
 
With the first issue of Waid’s new history coming out, we actually got an appendix with some annotations for where he’s getting some stuff from, here’s the first page:



If I recall correctly, Barry Allen previously annotated Earth-numbers in continuity based on reading the comics in Earth-33 and correlating a specific Earth with the citation of the comic it originated in. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what Waid is indicating here with Barry reciting this “definitive” history, after all.
 
With the first issue of Waid’s new history coming out, we actually got an appendix with some annotations for where he’s getting some stuff from, here’s the first page:



If I recall correctly, Barry Allen previously annotated Earth-numbers in continuity based on reading the comics in Earth-33 and correlating a specific Earth with the citation of the comic it originated in. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what Waid is indicating here with Barry reciting this “definitive” history, after all.

Some things not being mentioned seemed weird to me. Waid kind of just glances over the Prescence for some reason. Lucifer and his fall are mentioned but the Prescence himself isn't mentioned at all despite him--presumably--remaking DC after Perpetua messed everything up.
 
Barry apparently knows about Lucifer Morningstar and the endless, which is.... strange but cool I suppose.

The first issue also seems to heavily imply that Perpetua and the monitor brothers predate both the endless and the angels.
 
Newest JL issue has the World Forger meeting with Doomsday-Time-Trapper in Hypertime with the exposition being that there’s going to be another Crisis where Time is going to end as a whole (even though this just happened in the Flash book by Spurrier).

Tier 1 Justice League soon.
 
Even if it wasn’t creator owned it would have only been useful for a year or so until the tiering system revisions came around and its only seen use in an explicit infinite-dimensional statement became unneeded. Most of the other metaphysics in that series are recovered elsewhere, anyways.
Still would be great to have that kind of statement in DC, like Marvel. I find to difficult to scale DCs dimensionality, there's no explicit statements.
 
Still would be great to have that kind of statement in DC, like Marvel. I find to difficult to scale DCs dimensionality, there's no explicit statements.
You’re right that in DC there isn’t a direct statement of that, but maybe it will pop up one day. Even in the old tiering system you could probably get H1-B+ and beyond without a direct statement of infinite dimensionality, as something like the Dark Multiverse being the power-set of the regular Multiverse functionally would have been 1-A already back then (even if nobody wanted to make that argument when it could have even made!)

At the very least there’s Spurrier in having the Arc Angles being “n-dimensional” sentient math-forms with power over all Euclidean space. That’s at the very least equivalent.
 
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What are your thoughts on DCeased? I personally find it interesting, especially the first fluke and Hope at World's End, I'm a big fan of apocalyptical scenarios. Not a big fan of all deaths, tho. (Hal being killed by Dinah is a bullshit)
 
It was alright. Liked Alfred-Specte.

I loved the remake of The Spectre and Mr. Terrific's first meeting today when Mr. Terrific tries to logic his way out of talking to a ghost angel.
 
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