Who cares if they’re similar with the same scaling? They’re still separate species with separate powers. Do you know how many similar characters we have with different profiles here?
Some separate powers. They still share a huge number of abilities. We literally have Pokemon inherit abilities of their previous forms, just like tons of other profiles have "Same as before, also [Wall of text goes here]".
Not to mention, unlike say, 2 versions of Spider-Man from different continuities, it's often possible to assume a Froslass COULD have been a Snorunt at some point, with the same powers as a Snorunt!
But you can't go & look at Spider-Man Toby MacGuire & Miles Morale & say just because they're human Spider-Men that they should be one profile, because it's quite unreasonable to assume they were all the same individual.
Even multiple versions of Clark Kent are gonna have different histories or abilities depending on continuity.
But it's actually plausible for a Froslass to have been practically identical to a Snorunt at some point in its life, as well as from a similar or practically identical continuity (Ex: The universe of 1 mainline game vs another.) including in capabilities, unlike 2 Spider-Men or such.
One, the Hitmons and the Slows are the only ones being discussed here to share a type combination. The rest outright have different type combos.
I think this is a misrepresentation or a misunderstanding.
My wording was "but they almost ALWAYS share a type, with little exception".
Every Hitmon, & Tyrogue, are Fighting-types. Everything in Poliwag's line is Water-type, with Poliwrath just having an added Fighting-type. Everything in Slowpoke's line is part Psychic-type, with either a Water or Poison-type. Everything in Oddish's line is Grass-type, with or without a Poison-type.
Eevee's 1 of few, if not the only exceptions in Pokemon where it has NO TYPES in common with its evolutions.
& as mentioned, the Eeveelutions, from a VSBW standpoint, the Eeveelutions are all statistically similar due to being comparable.
And secondly and more importantly, I’d argue the exact opposite of the first sentence in this paragraph. Making readers navigating this one profile instead of just getting what they came for with the one they just typed in is the petty thing.
If you're arguing for viewer convenience, I'd worry about bandwidth or browser/connection speed. Or just Fandom being difficult with loading new pages. I can recall having Fandom take a while to load the search bar, despite Chrome running smoothly on the latest version.
I'd say that clicking a tabber is often easier than navigating to a whole new page. Not to mention if all they care about is the Tier, as many viewers do, if all the Eeveelutions are on 1 page, then they just have to scroll down slightly, instead of realizing they got the wrong Eeveelution & searching again.
And for those examples it’s the same person. Evil Ryu may be a totally different persona of Ryu, but it’s still Ryu. The argument here would be like making Kage part of Ryu’s page.
& you don't think it's reasonable to make our profiles keeping in mind the possibility many Pokemon with split evolutions could become either evolution/form? Despite that, as mentioned, D&D gives keys for other forms of monsters with branching stuff & such?
Besides the Gyarados thing, the vs thing I mentioned is a totally legitimate argument and it’s something that happened before. For Digimon, SkullGreymon and MetalGreymon are on the same profile. They had a vs match. The former won. So now the Agumon/WarGreymon has a win and a loss against itself. And it looks ridiculous.
If your concern is how a normal person considers such a verdict being on the profile, in my opinion, that feels like an issue that could be solved by just displaying the links as "SkullGreymon" & "MetalGreymon" & linking to the appropriate tabber of profile itself. The lay person will read the proper meaning, & be directed to the correct parts of the profile, even it's just 1.
Good for you. And no offense, and I do mean that, but idc if you hate the fact that people don’t care about the first forms, you’re still in the minority of people that care, and we shouldn’t be ******* over the final forms so you and your fellow 10% can have your way.
My position to express regarding this was that you shouldn't prevent other users from improving the accuracy of our profiles just because you don't care about certain species for being weaker.
My example was referring to Glalie, not Snorunt.
A Glailie & a Froslass are still very likely to share a significant amount of history as a Snorunt, as well as capabilities, possibly temperament (From being a Snorunt.), etc. The circumstances that cause a Snorunt to become either one are likely rather negligible. The fact that they could be so alike at 1 point makes it dubious to split them into 2 profiles, considering what other profiles do.
Different versions of Spider-Man are separate because they're clearly very different people, but Pokemon should share profiles with their evolutionary line, even the evolutionary family members they're indirectly connected to because as species they're still very similar.
It’s not the fact that it’s the most powerful but the one people actually care about. If you told me that a significant portion of the Pokémon fandom on this site is searching up Charmander as opposed to Charizard, you’d be lying.
Yes, but they search it BECAUSE it's the most powerful. Maybe not always so for Charizard, but I'm pretty sure I've been told time & time again that people take more interest in final forms, & a big part of that is that it's the most powerful, something even more compelling to those with an interest in Versus-Debating.
Shouldn’t impact anything given we list the final forms first
Missing the point. They're still connected by a base, & thus, the profiles should be fused, given what other species profiles are often like, regardless of who we throw at the viewer's face when they land on the page.
Ever heard of less is more? A profile that’s just Flareon as opposed to “Flareon + Eevee, Vaporeon, Espeon, Jolteon, Umbreon, Sylveon, Glaceon, and Leafeon” is like…I’d have no idea how you’d be able to argue that the latter is better to look at.
I know of elegance through simplicity, yes. But some would argue it's also messy to see us having 8 profiles for 1 evolutionary line, & it's less convenient to edit, too.
Not to mention in cases like the Eons, you wouldn't have to put every name in the title (Just as redirects.), & you don't necessarily have to give all of them their own statistical key when 7 of 8 of them are identical.
It wouldn't need to be "Eevee | Flareon | Vaporeon | Jolteon", etc., you could just go "Eevee | Eevee's evolutions" or such.
Except again, it’s not the same ******* character. Solgaleo is objectively not Lunala. But no, since they both come from Cosmog and Cosmoem, these boxart Legends with incredibly different roles should be grouped together.
I would not say their roles in the story of the games are that dissimilar. Both are light-providing pseudo-deities to Alola who get attacked by Necrozma, & both were a Cosmog at 1 point. Heck, they're both called as forms of Cosmog by the Pokedex.
Similar story roles, similar histories, same pre-evolutions, a shared typing, both prominently feature Light Manipulation, despite not THAT many shared level-up moves.
Because again, and I can’t stress this enough, our profiles are not about the base forms. If they were, you’d have a point. The profiles would still be cluttered but you’d have a point. But we’re not. The base forms are the extra shit, not the drawing factor. Not to mention that these aren’t characters. They’re species. A Ralts can’t turn to and from Gardevoir and Gallade. If it could then yes, it would be the same profile. But evolution is permanent.
I feel like this point is flawed. Plenty of characters change their identity & capabilities, sometimes irreversibly. That does not mean, the higher forms are disconnected from the lower forms, even if in 1 future, they didn't become X.
& species they are, yes, but those species often have characterizations to those species, & the base form has an influence on the capabilities, & arguably, behaviour, of the Final Form. I'd dare call ignoring that influence... well, ignorant.
Oh goodness, please tell me how eight beings with different powers, movesets, abilities, stat differences, strategies etc. being in one profile isn’t objectively going to clutter a profile.
Tabbers for Powers & Abilities, a single key for when they have nearly identical statistics via comparability, & keys that mention them as a collective ONLY if their statistics somehow differ radically.
"Eevee | Eevee's evolutions". Bam, at most, 2 statistics keys per stat.
Behaviour, intelligence, weaknesses, etc. can be managed with keys, or if verbosity becomes an issue, tabbers.
