I did, but these "destroy the planet" statement are always iffy if it means blow up or ravage, as well as our policies about Black holes, made me refrain.
"Tear a planet apart", or "break the Earth" are more clear cut statements
But it's not something so vague, it's left to understand that the Earth could be destroyed during the black hole channeling process, it's not like Sol will use this attack and it will gradually spread to various corners of the world in one long time, what could happen is the Earth is destroyed at the exact moment of the channeling process, which is brief enough for you to say it would be in a single shot. And don't consider why? This one in particular is negligible why?
You have the mention of the schwarzschild radius on it, a quote that space would be destroyed, and a quote that Earth could be destroyed in the process. And there's not much difference between a mention "destroy the planet" or "break the Earth" the two refer to the same thing, which is the process of destruction of the planet, the only thing that changes is the word "break" for the word " to destroy". And this one in particular, even more with the circumstances that I mentioned above, Wouldn't be a considerable quote why?
Again, could be over time and it's likely they were concerned about the planet because... They live there. Not across the universe.
Plus multi galaxy characters is a huge stretch already given no character displays such levels outside statement or Technology/spells past above their physical, in conjunction of Justice at full power requiring an outside amp to destroy Japan (thus my "Possibly 3-B")
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hey don't live around the universe, but the physical world in Guilty Gear surrounds the universe, and they were talking about the flow of information from the Backyard to the real world, "our world" in the context of the scene was meant to refer to the plane in that they lived, which is the physical world, and of course they would be concerned with the Earth, after all the planet is included in the physical plane, that if it is destroyed, the Earth will consequently be too. And why would this temporal relation of citations that you made imply in the invalidation of this one?
Justice’s galaxy statement is part of her Low 1-C stuff. God I-No considered the moon as an ultimatum that would kill everyone. Which means the 3-B is absolutely an outlier if it would physically scale and it points towards Dizzy’s statement being an over time event. Plus with how the feat is worded she doesn’t even need to get past Earth’s GBE (baseline 5-B) she just is tearing the world apart, which implies over time by default.
The fact that I-No considered the moon as an ultimatum does not contradict the citation about information density, since as long as the global population is affected by the effects of the moon's fall, the I-No citation remains considerable as the threat of the moon is in relation to global population, Earth, specific individuals like Justice suffering little from it would matter little, as the threat is in relation to global population and Earth, and not in relation to any specific individual like Justice or Sol.
Axel’s instant kill isn’t any durability negating hax, he just blows you up, so I don’t know why he would suddenly be able to completely stomp Sol with it. Also all that proves is that instant kill is canon. This is exactly like Blazblue where instant kills aren’t canon (they also effect the story mode, we still consider them non canon), just the stuff that happens in the story that resembles the instant kill is canon.
Jack-O’s instant kill being canon makes zero sense once so ever because the a large chunk of the world would be gone.
Part of the world of Guilty Gear not having disappeared doesn't make Jack-0's IK unconsiderable, a character walking through one part of the setting against the other in a player vs cpu match is not a canonical event within the history of game, it only exists within that gameplay, but that's not to say that characters alone aren't able to traverse part of the scene, just as it is with IKS, a character using an IK on another during gameplay is not canonical , but they themselves can reproduce the IKs, as what is demonstrated in the IKs is part of the abilities of the GG characters, and therefore it is considerable when you consider their abilities. As I mentioned in the previous answer, the Guilty Gear characters' movelist reflects their abilities and thus their representations in the lore, for example Ky being someone who masters light magic having a Light attack movelist, Sol being a magician of fire having a movelist with fire attacks,
Ky using his IK on Axus, Succubus from Testament being cited in GG world, introductions in story mode by GG X Plus, XX, XX AC,
like this,
this and
this, quotes from XX(or earlier , I didn't see the X plus story mode) of
Faust's spatial and bodily manipulation (and remember that during the XX almost all fights took place off screen and what you had on screen of the fights was the small story mode intros which in turn involved the characters' movelist moves), The dolphin summoning (present in May's movelist)
being cited as summoning magic in Guilty Gear codex,
Testament summoning beast exe and using circular nightmare in manga, have even more examples , but I think it's the suficient. Anyway, if with canon you mean something like the main timeline of Guilty Gear (in a meta-linguistic way) then yes IK are canon because they are an extension of the characters' abilities that in turn are present in that timeline. What is not canon is the implementation of these abilities with the gameplay system, such as needing 50% of Tension gauge to use an overdrive, which should not be confused with the abilities of the characters themselves, as even the system Combat changes in many ways, abilities can remain the same and still be part of the characters. And something not being narrated within a fictional work does not imply that it does not exist, for example Robot Ky is not part of the narrative of Xrd Sign or Overture, which does not mean that it ceased to exist in these two games, as well as most of the cast weren't part of the Overture narrative, but they were still somewhere during the game's events. There are skills that serve as examples such as the manipulation of Faust, which exists since the first game, but was only mentioned in the narrative in the following games. If we were to adopt this line of reasoning that not being narrated equates to non-existence, then the Guilty Gear lore would become totally disjointed, with most of the cast ceasing to exist during Overture events and only re-existing at Vastedge events or Slayer only coming into being in the XX events.
Also I’ve been meaning to downgrade speed for a long while now because XRD alone has over a dozen anti feats, a ton of which required a shit ton of effort for the faster characters in the series. Slayer considers the distance between two countries to be hilariously far and an annoying journey, Chipp took over half a day to travel less than half the planet, Sol and a ton of other characters were inconvenienced by a few kilometers of distance multiple times, a normal gun managed to shoot Ky, May’s ship traveling a few kilometers per second completely chucked Faust through sheer inertia, Ky’s lighting can literally turn into a spike so it should be comparable to man made electricity instead of cloud to ground and multiple characters have trouble dodging it (man made electricity is Mach 1.6), and finally a regular lighting strike was instant in comparison to multiple characters.
There are different types of speed, which is explained on the speed page of this wiki itself, so Slayer finds the distance between two countries irritating and hilarious (this one actually serves more as evidence that this distance is little for him, after all, no if you find it hilarious what you find difficult) or Chipp taking days on a trip is not enough to be a very considerable drawback when you consider different types of speed.
She is hilariously below Leo. And won due to hilariously bad writer logic.
And why was Elphelt beating Leo a script error? Justification?
I still don’t have a lot of time. The black holes aren’t usable at all. They aren’t realistic enough. Black hole standards are cartoonishly strict. The instant kills also don’t have a reason to be used. They are massively above everything shown in the story (or sometimes massively below, May’s instant kill kills people by shooting them out of a canon).
Why wouldn't the case of the Sol in particular be usable when you have enough specifics to assert a level?
Multiple characters say May’s cannon is absolutely going to kill them and that list includes a large chunk of the high tiers. Plenty of other instant kills also vastly vary in power. Dizzy instant kill makes every panic and surrender from a 8-A to low 7-C explosion. Sol’s instant kill in a large chunk of the games is just a 9-B chunk of fire or a 9-A explosion. The instant kills are all over the place in terms of tier and are super inconsistent across the board. Combined with the fact the ones that would upgrade them don’t have canon reasons to happen it makes it extremely questionable.
IK killing anyone within a match does not mean that considering them contradicts the established levels, as this is more a systematic issue of fighting games and not something that reflects character attributes within the Guilty Gear universe, all characters will hurt each other in a match, whether it's with IK, overdrives or even regular hits, as this is the system of a fighting game. Your same logic can be applied to the characters' AP, since everyone can hurt each other in a match, in fact, this logic could be used to say that trying to counter any scaling and trying to define a weaker hierarchy for the strongest within Guilty Gear, since since everyone can hurt or each other, not only hurt but also accompany (there is no outracing and no speedblitz in GG matches) they would all have almost the same level within the Guilty Gear universe , with the most notable differences being stamina.
When it comes to the information cluster, the information flares are very clearly environmental destruction. Low levels of it can constant surround people and they are stated to be uneffected and Universal Will said it was very bad around Sol and everyone at the end of rev 2 but it wasn’t doing anything unless triggered into causing absolute world
The event involving Justice in Asuka's flashback does not fully equate to the informatial flare events in REV2 and even less to any informatial flare event. Starting with Justice's information density specifications being equivalent to galaxies, and even the quote that that information flow would destroy the physical world. These two are not general of an informatial flare, what is general of an informatial flare is the limit of information in a given space being exceeded and thus causing spatiotemporal destruction, not the destruction of the universe and being equivalent to galaxies. And even if you say that the occurrence with Justice fits within an informatial flare because the information limit was being exceeded at the time, the question "Does this informatial flare have the same intensity as those of GG Rev?" Because it is not because an informatial flare is an informatial flare that everyone has the same intensity.
Honestly, I feel like it's a specific hax that makes character move around in the Backyard (especially given how Asuka seems to teach Sol by making him 'tune in' to the Backyad), not an 'immeasurable' speed feat. Even then the size being infinite and Justice having been shown to be able to travel through (as well as an official art of her in outer space) shows she should have like a 'MFTL+ flight speed' that unless we consider Jack'O's feat canon wouldn't scale to anyone else.
That Man's quote that Sol can adapt to the Backyard actually refers more to information pressure than staying in an empty space-time, as the biggest problem for GG characters when entering the Backyard is this , the overwhelming pressure that information exerts, so much so that in the same scene (mission 17)
That Man talks about this problem of entering Backyard.
the 5-B statement from Asuka, but he was specifically preventing that through hax (and was causing it through hax) and when Sol tried to break the same barrier without that hax he failed horribly, a 5-C anti feat.
Whether or not Asuka prevented the planet's destruction through hax doesn't change that the planet could be destroyed in the process and that the Sun channeled the black hole through its punch. The Sun's punch by itself does not cause spatial destruction or manipulate gravity, which was meant to have the barrier broken at that time, so it doesn't contradict Asuka's quote, as AP alone didn't do what Asuka and Sun made to break the barrier.
The destruction of Japan was a massive part of the story and required a 40 times amp
You're forgetting a little detail, that the 40+
output along with the Gamma Ray was intended to stop the flow of information from the Backyard with Justice's body that generated an information density equivalent to galaxies, it's not like Japan was there alone and the Gamma Ray was used only to destroy it and using the most for that, there was something more there, something that was much more resistant than Japan.
Sorry for the English mistakes, I can't write well in English and I'm using translator since it would be very tiring to keep reviewing English mistakes in very long texts, but I'm editing the text sometimes to correct certain mistakes
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