I meant to hit reply, so if you noticed the half second like just ignore it. I was downgrading them because I’ve heard Justice did her feat through a amp by junkyard. If it wasn’t then, again, I’ll rewatch the scene after I get some work done.
Justice wasn't amped by the junkyard, by the way junkyard is a anti gear weapon sol uses to defeat justice, I'm saying no one in the main cast would scale below a single megadeth class gear since most characters have either fought against justice or have gotten much stronger later on in the series.
You wanna know why I keep doing that, cause you keep taking certain scenes out of context or just ignore main Important terminologies that I try to bring up and not even try to look into it.
That's exerting that gun was even normal to being even though I brought up black tech which guns like that revolver would fall under.
Your bringing this like they just speed up a event that only happens once a year and some how trying to treat this like it's a perception anti feat even though it isn't a dodging feat plus that Ontario's fire which I recommend you look into on that.
Except it was literally just done in a minute so unless a minute is just a massive time frame for a ton of help and prep. It doesn't have a pocket dimension in it. He converts the energy into matter, contains it within a pocket dimension using the swartschild radial limit and destroys the physical space occupied by barrier creating a spontaneous microverse.
Again, massively blatantly cherry picking to ignore all the main scailing to just ignore Attack potency that's already established with scaling. And your low balling via just eyeball feating at this point.
But it's not something so vague, it's left to understand that the Earth could be destroyed during the black hole channeling process, it's not like Sol will use this attack and it will gradually spread to various corners of the world in one long time, what could happen is the Earth is destroyed at the exact moment of the channeling process, which is brief enough for you to say it would be in a single shot. And don't consider why? This one in particular is negligible why? You have the mention of the schwarzschild radius on it, a quote that space would be destroyed, and a quote that Earth could be destroyed in the process. And there's not much difference between a mention "destroy the planet" or "break the Earth" the two refer to the same thing, which is the process of destruction of the planet, the only thing that changes is the word "break" for the word " to destroy". And this one in particular, even more with the circumstances that I mentioned above, Wouldn't be a considerable quote why?
They don't live around the universe, but the physical world in Guilty Gear surrounds the universe, and they were talking about the flow of information from the Backyard to the real world, "our world" in the context of the scene was meant to refer to the plane in that they lived, which is the physical world, and of course they would be concerned with the Earth, after all the planet is included in the physical plane, that if it is destroyed, the Earth will consequently be too. And why would this temporal relation of citations that you made imply in the invalidation of this one?
The fact that I-No considered the moon as an ultimatum does not contradict the citation about information density, since as long as the global population is affected by the effects of the moon's fall, the I-No citation remains considerable as the threat of the moon is in relation to global population, Earth, specific individuals like Justice suffering little from it would matter little, as the threat is in relation to global population and Earth, and not in relation to any specific individual like Justice or Sol.
Part of the world of Guilty Gear not having disappeared doesn't make Jack-0's IK unconsiderable, a character walking through one part of the setting against the other in a player vs cpu match is not a canonical event within the history of game, it only exists within that gameplay, but that's not to say that characters alone aren't able to traverse part of the scene, just as it is with IKS, a character using an IK on another during gameplay is not canonical , but they themselves can reproduce the IKs, as what is demonstrated in the IKs is part of the abilities of the GG characters, and therefore it is considerable when you consider their abilities. As I mentioned in the previous answer, the Guilty Gear characters' movelist reflects their abilities and thus their representations in the lore, for example Ky being someone who masters light magic having a Light attack movelist, Sol being a magician of fire having a movelist with fire attacks, Ky using his IK on Axus, Succubus from Testament being cited in GG world, introductions in story mode by GG X Plus, XX, XX AC, like this, this and this, quotes from XX(or earlier , I didn't see the X plus story mode) of Faust's spatial and bodily manipulation (and remember that during the XX almost all fights took place off screen and what you had on screen of the fights was the small story mode intros which in turn involved the characters' movelist moves), The dolphin summoning (present in May's movelist) being cited as summoning magic in Guilty Gear codex, Testament summoning beast exe and using circular nightmare in manga, have even more examples , but I think it's the suficient. Anyway, if with canon you mean something like the main timeline of Guilty Gear (in a meta-linguistic way) then yes IK are canon because they are an extension of the characters' abilities that in turn are present in that timeline. What is not canon is the implementation of these abilities with the gameplay system, such as needing 50% of Tension gauge to use an overdrive, which should not be confused with the abilities of the characters themselves, as even the system Combat changes in many ways, abilities can remain the same and still be part of the characters. And something not being narrated within a fictional work does not imply that it does not exist, for example Robot Ky is not part of the narrative of Xrd Sign or Overture, which does not mean that it ceased to exist in these two games, as well as most of the cast weren't part of the Overture narrative, but they were still somewhere during the game's events. There are skills that serve as examples such as the manipulation of Faust, which exists since the first game, but was only mentioned in the narrative in the following games. If we were to adopt this line of reasoning that not being narrated equates to non-existence, then the Guilty Gear lore would become totally disjointed, with most of the cast ceasing to exist during Overture events and only re-existing at Vastedge events or Slayer only coming into being in the XX events.
There are different types of speed, which is explained on the speed page of this wiki itself, so Slayer finds the distance between two countries irritating and hilarious (this one actually serves more as evidence that this distance is little for him, after all, no if you find it hilarious what you find difficult) or Chipp taking days on a trip is not enough to be a very considerable drawback when you consider different types of speed.
And why was Elphelt beating Leo a script error? Justification?
Why wouldn't the case of the Sol in particular be usable when you have enough specifics to assert a level?
IK killing anyone within a match does not mean that considering them contradicts the established levels, as this is more a systematic issue of fighting games and not something that reflects character attributes within the Guilty Gear universe, all characters will hurt each other in a match, whether it's with IK, overdrives or even regular hits, as this is the system of a fighting game. Your same logic can be applied to the characters' AP, since everyone can hurt each other in a match, in fact, this logic could be used to say that trying to counter any scaling and trying to define a weaker hierarchy for the strongest within Guilty Gear, since since everyone can hurt or each other, not only hurt but also accompany (there is no outracing and no speedblitz in GG matches) they would all have almost the same level within the Guilty Gear universe , with the most notable differences being stamina.
The event involving Justice in Asuka's flashback does not fully equate to the informatial flare events in REV2 and even less to any informatial flare event. Starting with Justice's information density specifications being equivalent to galaxies, and even the quote that that information flow would destroy the physical world. These two are not general of an informatial flare, what is general of an informatial flare is the limit of information in a given space being exceeded and thus causing spatiotemporal destruction, not the destruction of the universe and being equivalent to galaxies. And even if you say that the occurrence with Justice fits within an informatial flare because the information limit was being exceeded at the time, the question "Does this informatial flare have the same intensity as those of GG Rev?" Because it is not because an informatial flare is an informatial flare that everyone has the same intensity.
That Man's quote that Sol can adapt to the Backyard actually refers more to information pressure than staying in an empty space-time, as the biggest problem for GG characters when entering the Backyard is this , the overwhelming pressure that information exerts, so much so that in the same scene (mission 17) That Man talks about this problem of entering Backyard.
Whether or not Asuka prevented the planet's destruction through hax doesn't change that the planet could be destroyed in the process and that the Sun channeled the black hole through its punch. The Sun's punch by itself does not cause spatial destruction or manipulate gravity, which was meant to have the barrier broken at that time, so it doesn't contradict Asuka's quote, as AP alone didn't do what Asuka and Sun made to break the barrier.
You're forgetting a little detail, that the 40+ output along with the Gamma Ray was intended to stop the flow of information from the Backyard with Justice's body that generated an information density equivalent to galaxies, it's not like Japan was there alone and the Gamma Ray was used only to destroy it and using the most for that, there was something more there, something that was much more resistant than Japan.
So you admit to only knowing surface level stuff for verse.
That's using a character with bad scaling as the norm. Which is pretty arbitrary.
Except this a blackhole on a micro sized scale and light is distorted your just mistaking the event horizon for the light distortion.
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It can't be usedd iirc
I guess calcing how much force to launch someone out the galaxy is too hard even though there's already a distance and time frame to find speed.
Yeah, I don't think Daisuke or whoever meant Dizzy would destroy the planet by tearing it wall after wall by using what you explictly are considering hypersonic speed at best. Even then to tear chunks of country level would reach far more than the feats you say, it's why I am placing a "6-B/6-A, Possibly 5-B". We don't know the method, but there are enough backing feats across the series to prove planetary destruction is possible
Don't know, don't care.
I don't have the link, but it was calculated to be Large Star Level (High 4-C), it's however not used because it's FTL Kinetic energy, something that's not scientifically possible.
Right now I'm in agreement with @Xantospoc on the scaling for dizzy and justice so far.
Clearly fanderising ky's character in the previous thread with this same argument. ky is worried for humanity's sake and ky has trusted sol with the fate of humanity practically 4 times over at this point, so ky not stopping sol from ripping Jack-O out I-no is in character for ky to trust sol to have a plan. So this ultimatum is literally pointless to use as a anti feat
Can you provide proper explanations for those statistics please?
And is speed above light scientifically possible? if MFTL calculations are valid even when in our reality the speed of light cannot be exceeded, then why this specific calculation could not be used?
It would make sense because the I-No was threatening the Earth, the people, the world, she was doing all this hostage to corner Ky and the others.
There are justifications for these tiers in the previous answers to this topic.
They are only valid for determining speed.
That may be, but I only have limited time available, considering how many threads that I help out with, combined with edit-patrolling the wiki, so you need to collaborate with me if you want my help.
What required a lot of preparation was that situation as a whole, Asuka making a black hole was not the only part of it, there were several other things like preparing the beacons, preparing the ship fleets to attack the cradle. But Sol channeled the black hole with his own punch, and a punch involves physical attributes. If you know that the process could destroy the planet and taking into account the time of the process, the destruction would occur in a single instant.
It has the quote of the Schwarzschild radius limit in the scene, which means that this black hole did have the ability to distort light.
Even though this a verse that have characters like izuna, Faust, and axl who break the who literally break the laws of physics and magic itself as a fundamental thing that's considered a scientific impossibility that practically made humanity grow into a type 3 civilization.
And that's quite simply hax.
Issue is, in this case we can't use anymore KE. THEORICALLY, at the speed of light, it gets infinite, past that point it's basically entering into the realm of imaginary numbers.
This is good to know. In this case, everyone who scales to Sol DEFINITIVELY gets into 5-B, possibly 3-B and we can scale from him and not Dizzy
Barry Allen's infinite mass punch got calced to star level and it breaks all the established rules you can't plug into KE, not to mention Jack-O's rider kick which is mftl+ and we've thrown that into a KE calculator and didn't roadblock at imaginary numbers.
It doesn't, actually. It literally works by working with relativity. Flash himself states he needs to keep vibrating below lightspeed to successfully do it.
We didn't use the KE for Jack'O though. We used the explosion she made upon landing to calculate her power
Yet you allowed stuff like sol's blackhole feat slide even though a signality would break that requiring infinite speed paradox with going past the speed of light, not to mention your just willing to deny characters going past this when you have speeds going into MFTL+ ranges flying right pass visible galaxies. Literally stop appealing to reality cause your running into the same wall like with keeweed at this point cause it is possible to make a KE calc that goes pass the speed of light without breaking physics this is why we have calculators that can measure joules to the point where their hitting double digit to the power of type numbers.
Because I am not calculating the energy of the realistic Blackhole. I am calculating what's been said about it AKA being above any other energy fo the planet (including the GBE)
This thread
I've seen this thread and everyone in it is mostly disagrees with the ftl speed standard you keep bringing up why even use when this wasn't even accepted at all literally counter pointed like 3 times over.
Good luck trying to convince the calc group members.
