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Fullmetal Alchemist Regenerationn revision

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I wouldn't say it applies to Greed. We've seen his Philosopher's Stone.
 
Why would it be limited?

Definitely not for Greed.
 
@Promestein; it's limited by the number of souls they have. Eventually they'll be exhausted and they'll be unable to regenerate.
 
Oh, yeah.

Again, definitely not for Greed. Each Homunculus has the soul shit going on. Pride, though, is a mass of weird darkness with a container, like Father. Hohenheim believed that if Father's body were to be destroyed, he'd be in trouble; he turned out to be wrong, but that's because Father evolved past it.

I dunno if Pride should have it as a result; we see that, after his body got seriously harmed, he couldn't maintain it any longer, and it started disintegrating, so he needed a new one.
 
If we treat the stones like a phylactery, then we'd have to keep them Low-High [also need to downgrade Liches to this]. Does Pride have a stone or all his souls contained in the shadowy mass...kinda like a piece of Father that's been cut off. That's what they all are, btw, just little bits of Father's lust, greed, gluttony, sloth, pride, wrath, and envy. They can all technically be continually remade by Father from Father.
 
Damage3245 said:
@Promestein; it's limited by the number of souls they have. Eventually they'll be exhausted and they'll be unable to regenerate.
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Father and other Homunculi can absorb souls to counteract this weakness but with Homunculi such as Envy it's more difficult. Father just rips them.
 
Re:pride

The only reason his body was so damaged was due to Truth's Gate directly harming him, so claiming that it shouldn't apply after he used his own body as a transmutation circle and was damaged by Truth itself feels a bit suspect
 
Pride should have Low-Godly as well Verlux is right in that regard. Even when his soul was attacked directly Pride survived albeit in a much weaker form, as the strongest and oldest Homunculi who was based off of Father I believe it's more than enough to give him Low-Godly.
 
Antvasima said:
I agree with Damage. The liches should probably be downgraded as well.
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Why would we consider their phylactery as part of their body though? Not sure if this is the case for FMA, but generally speaking a lich's phylactery is just a recepticle they made- a ring or a gem or something. Rarely is such a thing part of their body and it seems a bit odd and arbitrary to assume it is part of their body when this is 99% of the time, not the case.
 
Promestein said:
It'd just be Type 8.
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Sure, which is accurate and tends to be used, but generally speaking regen is tied to this to show the limitation of the Type 8. For example- Character relies on Object to survive, gets decapitated, head grows back. Type 8 and Mid regen. We wouldn't assume that the same object would prevent something like soul erasure without evidence. So removing regen for things like a Phylactery seems a bit off, since all it really does is remove clarification on the limits.
 
I mean, honestly, I hate that "Type 8 equals regen" thing, because there are characters with regen separate from Type 8, but it'll just get ignored in favor of Mid-Godly or whatever and that's what people accept
 
The alternative is an NLF on Type 8, which I'd really rather not have. It's less that Type 8 equals Regen, it's more that Type 8 is limited by Regen.
 
Type 8 Immortality and Regenerationn are two different things; characters can have both, they're not really the same thing.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Type 8 Immortality and Regenerationn are two different things; characters can have both, they're not really the same thing.
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Never did I say they were the same thing. I'm saying it is foolish to remove one from the other as it leaves much open to interpretation.
 
@Bambu, that wasn't directed at you, I just heard what Prom was complaining about, which I also agree with her regarding that.
 
Ah, aight.
 
The Wiki ate my earlier reply. In any case, I will say after reviewing most of the series again, I would say I could be fine with Van Hohenheim and Father (Fullmetal Alchemist) getting Low-Godly (limited by the numbers of souls possess) since their body was completely destroyed and rebuild from getting immortality (ch75 pg4-26)/Anime versio and essentially becoming their own philosopher stone which is supported by numerous such as this Hohenheim's statement here, (ch82 pg13). I could be fine with Pride's getting Low-Godly from Father since Father gave him a body based on his original body (manga sca) and some others points were brought above supporting him getting Low-Godly.

From the others, my opinions remains the same since we see they have stones.

Edit: After reading Promestein's recent comment here, I agree on her suggestion on At least Low-High, Possibly Low-Godly for Father (Fullmetal Alchemist), Van Hohenheim and Pride because it is safer and more appropriate.
 
The problem with what you are proposing here is that they never regenerate from a lone molecule, atom or something similar for them to get such level of Regenerationn.

In the case of Bradley he was never left in that state either, he was just getting continously transmutated by the stone and that's it
 
Tony di bugalu said:
The problem with what you are proposing here is that they never regenerate from a lone molecule, atom or something similar for them to get such level of Regenerationn.
In the case of Bradley he was never left in that state either, he was just getting continously transmutated by the stone and that's it
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Ninja'd

I agree.

On Scar's deconstruction, all we know was the damage was meant to be deadly but we are unsure exactly was damage
 
Which again, isn't needed. What's important here is the mechanics of the Regenerationn, various characters on the wiki on the wiki have Regenerationn levels without actually having feats on that level, due to how the mechanics work. In One Piece Logias can have Mid-High and High Regenerationn despite never actually showing it, Edo Tensei aren't shown regenerating on a low-Godly level but they have it anyway because of the mechanics of the Jutsu. Characters don't need to be shown directly regenerating from a certain level.


Edward even calls a Stone a High Enegry Substance the physical component is sheer enegry while they regenerate from the souls.


@Elizhaa


Scar's Deconstruction is Atomic in nature, saying it can be "deadly" is sheer downplay of it's capabilities.
 
I'm pretty sure it's needed and by naming those examples more CRT's will likely come out as the actually need feats for stuff otherwise we can start slapping abilities into profiles because "that's how it works, we have no feats but it works".

Personal note, I was against Low-Godly for the Edo Tensei and I still find it iffy at best and pure wank at worst.

>Scar's Deconstruction is Atomic in nature, saying it can be "deadly" is sheer downplay of it's capabilities.

Yeah, sure, it's deadly but when has he ever reduced the homunculi to pure atoms? Never, which brings us back to above
 
It isn't needed, again several other verses do it and we've been doing it for a long time now. But you can feel free to make a CRT about it as a whole if you disagree, until then it's an acceptable method.


Yeah, sure, it's deadly but when has he ever reduced the homunculi to pure atoms? Never, which brings us back to above


.... i think your having a difficult time on what's being argued here mate. Scar used his atomic Deconstruction on the insides of Gluttony, which would include the Stone itself ( source of the Regenerationn. ) Homunculi have feats of regenerating from being vaporized, and the stone itself is a high energy substance, and Scar Deconstructed it. You guys were literally using the Stone as an anti feat for the Regenerationn in the beginning of the thread and now your arguing that the state of the stone doesn't matter, pick one argument and stick to it
 
I might do it.

>Scar used his atomic Deconstruction on the insides of Gluttony, which would include the Stone itself

I thought it was already established that the stone was indestructible in verse?

>Homunculi have feats of regenerating from being vaporized,

Which one?
 
I thought it was already established that the stone was indestructible in verse?


By pure AP, I.E higher AP won't allow you to break through it by conventional means, Scar's Deconstruction is entirely haxxed based.


And it's Lust's feat of regenerating after Roy vaporized her. Also regenerating from a mass of energy ( I.E the Stone ) is considered High Regenerationn.
 
In this rare case, I don't see anything implies "all" Gluttony's inside was destroyed from Scar's hax especially we don't see a large hole through his stomatch. I think the same argument was presented already.

And it's Lust's feat of regenerating after Roy vaporized her.

  • There is big maybe for validities since part of the statements are contradictory.
Also regenerating from a mass of energy ( I.E the Stone ) is considered High Regenerationn.

  • I disagreed on that; the philosopher stone a liquid-solid so the statement doesn't support High Regenerationn.
 
In this rare case, I don't see anything implies "all" Gluttony's inside was destroyed from Scar's hax especially we don't see a large hole through his stomatch. I think the same argument was presented already.


The damage was done to his insides, not his outside. If Gluttony were to have a hole put in his stomach then that would defeat the purpose of attacking the interior as opposed to the exterior.


None of the statement is a contradiction. Roy states that he vaporized her, feels the fat on his lips. He told Havoc to keep an eyeout and to not underestimate her regenerative capabilities, a second after Lust regenerates. This isn't a contradicted showing, it's you not comprehending the order of shit going on. Having to explain this to you is getting tiring, drill that into your skull.


The Philosopher isn't a liquid nor a solid, it has the properties but that's not what it is. What the ******* Stone is a pure enegry substance with a tempest of souls. It's cut, clear and simple to understand, if you cannot understand this fact then i can't help you out, my 8 year old Nephew would be able to understand.
 
You don't see anyone losing their shit over this dumb circular argument. It's just a disagreement. That's how debates go.
 
Debates typically come to a mutual understanding, which is dandy but there's a complete and total difference between a circular argument and someone quite literally not grasping the order of what's happening, no matter how many times you tell them. Regardless this is derailing the thread so let's bounce back to what's important.


Low-Godly is fine for Father, Hohenheim and Pride. Still in the middle of discussing normal Homunculi regen.
 
A flat out rating of "Possibly low-Godly" seems better imo, both are interchangeable really but the latter would at least eliminate the scaling to the Homunculi who have actual stones whereas Father and Hohenheim are. I think "at least low-high, Possibly Low-Godly" for Pride would suit him better.
 
Damage3245 said:
I think that Promstein's suggestion would be best.
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I guess it is safer and more appropriate. I agree with her suggestion.
 
The Prince of Counters said:
Low-Godly is fine for Father, Hohenheim and Pride. Still in the middle of discussing normal Homunculi regen.
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Wait, why pride? He was literally falling apart without any mean to heal himself with the only exception of taking another body?

We see him regenerate back from the attacks of the chimera and that's it but once it reaches the limits it starts to fall apart.

As for lust, I don't remember very well the Manga but Roy never vaporized her, in the anime is shown even better and even itlf it was vap it would be contradicted with him being bloodlusted against envy and incapable of vap it
 
You are quite literally wrong on every point there. First of all, Pride is the oldest and strongest Homunculi, based off of Father's being directly. And he only got ****** up after performing Human Transmutation and going through the Gate of Truth.


Roy stated he vaporized her, it's both shown and stated by someone's who's experienced in doing that. Against Envy he wanted to make him suffer and he did actually manage to vaporize Envy, at least the lower and upper half of his body.
 
It seems like we have mostly come to an agreement to use Promestein's solution then.
 
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