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CHAKRA = SPEED
You should look in the mirror, the explanation you came up with was really bad, lolAlways repeating, this will be a continuous rotation. because the questions and reasons given remain the same as before.
OversimplificationEndurance is the foundation of speed. because if we don't have endurance, then we can't move, right? here's the simple reason. Chakra = Stamina (body endurance) = Speed..
Bro Are you trying to say that Juubi have infinite Speed cauze juubi have an unlimited chakra ?what are you doing here ? I have explained this in the previous fundamental section, by providing proof and explanation that chakra can increase statistics, that is enough to prove Jigen's speed this time. Now if I ask you, can you provide antifeats along with a reasonable rebuttal? (Try to read my argument before rebutting)
what about sage modeWe donโt accept that base Koji = Delta.
Yeah, like I've said, this thread is useless. It's basically like reopening an old thread that has already been closed by the Staff. No new arguments at all and it's repetitive considering the OP doesn't seem the comprehend most of the things that are said to him...I see no new arguments here. Y'all are treading on thin ice right now with this topic, because there's a very compelling argument that could be made for a Discussion Rule to be put in place.
Initial premise, we will explain what chakras are, and are they useful for some other physical aspects? Chakra is a spiritual energy that can be controlled and applied to produce a technique which is usually called Jutsu. Apart from being able to be applied like that, chakra has a correlation with stamina. They reproduce each other consistently, and are a symbiotic mutualism, because if a Shinobi spends a lot of chakra/stamina, they will automatically weaken. However, if a Shinobi has 100% stamina, they will be able to give some of it chakra to create a Jutsu ( https://gyazo.com/53ed98762821ea81019aa54e6515d153 ). In general, stamina also plays a big role in statistics. Because if a creature doesn't have stamina, how will it move? ( https://id.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/stamina ) and this is evident in the Naruto fiction ( ).
And here I will give some feats in Naruto verse, which prove that chakra has an effect on increasing speed. It can be seen in the scan that I gave, where the speed will drop drastically if the chakra is low, of course this is enough to prove that chakra can increase speed, and the speed itself is slow if the chakra is low
You can also see in other scans that Shikamaru's speed decreases drastically when his chakra is almost depleted, Shikamaru himself even said that because of his minimal chakra, he failed to attack his opponent (because his shadow speed was reduced).
For other evidence, here it can be seen that shinobi are able to increase their physical abilities by using chakra to increase their speed by focusing chakra on their feet, this is a basic shinobi technique where naturally every shinobi who makes movements is already in this technique
The Mechanics of Chakra Enhancement
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And for final proof, you can see Raikage neutralizing his chakra to increase Raikage's own speed, it can be seen that he has maximized his speed with the remaining chakra, also supported by Bee who states "He is in his highest speed mode" which is where we can conclude, that Raikage has maximized all his chakra (until you see a very large chakra aura coming out) to increase his own speed ( & )
The next explanation is when Isshiki's fight against the Konoha Duo is over, there Isshiki says that he used up more power than he thought ( ) Which indicates that Isshiki really didn't use his full power at all. during the fight against the Konoha Duo, because Jigen was no longer strong enough to use Isshiki's chakra. Even when that incident occurred, Jigen, Isshiki's vessel, cried. So Jigen is one of the flawed vessels that doesn't even deserve to be Isshiki's vessel ( https://gyazo.com/ff09cb4558d6be57fbfe0ea1587c76bb & https://imgur.com/gcJZoUF ) who is only considered as an intermediary for Isshiki looking for the perfect vessel ( Kawaki ).
Continue here, as shown in the Jigen vs Duo Konoha scan. Since the fight, Jigen immediately recovered his chakra. On the other hand, Amado stated that Jigen's chakra was almost zero (https://gyazo.com/ca7e9f1dd0704966629c1a1fa66e23ed) Even though we can clearly see the content of the fight if Jigen didn't use many of his jutsu. Yes, at most it's just iron, a seal to seal Naruto (I don't know what the name is) the rest is just taijutsu. Can this provide a slight conclusion that at that time Isshiki was not releasing 100% power? The answer is yes, you need to know first that Jigen's power is 100% โ Isshiki's 100% because Jigen at 100% can only use a few percent of Isshiki's chakra, not that much. And continue with the explanation.
There was a notification from Amado to Kashin Koji that Jigen's recovery had not even reached 10% ( https://gyazo.com/c44b9fa8db55b50bce32060a420929d4 ). This context is not Isshiki who fought against the Konoha Duo using only 10% of his strength. This context is Jigen who ran out of chakra after fighting NaruSaru, where when he fought NaruSaru, Jigen released all his chakra until he was left now, so in short Jigen fought NaruSaru with Full Power, so after the fight, Jigen ran out of chakra and was filling his chakra, well current position while it is being refilled, it is known that Jigen's current chakra position is 10%.
Still focusing on the previous proof. Where there is an interpretation of the context of the scenario where a battle will occur between Isshiki, who has not yet reached 10% recovery, will fight against Kashin Koji. Kashin Koji's speed gap can be compared to Delta, namely ftl speed because he is qualitatively superior to Delta. Where Koji states himself that he can relatively beat Delta, which means this indicates that Kashin Koji is superior to Delta ( https://imgur.io/a/h5fYzel ) As for Delta's own speed gap, it will be generalized to Naruto, because there is a proof that Delta was able to fight on par with Naruto ( https://i.imgur.com/m9e4xrn.jpg )
Continuing here, with Jigen's ability not even reaching 10% recovery, he is still able to pared with Kashin Koji ( https://cdn.bakihanma.com/file/Zolyvmanga/boruto-naruto-next-generations/chapter-46/8 .jpg ) What's more, if Kashin Koji there uses sage mode, you know for yourself what benefits you get when someone uses sage mode. Yes, even though in the end Isshiki himself decided to immediately get up using a disabled container (Jigen)
Yes, this actually created a reverse situation, where Isshiki was able to defeat Kashin Koji easily. A premise that shows Isshiki's superiority after awakening with 100% power (real body), where Isshiki can immediately spam jutsu against Kashin Koji which was not previously shown in the fight against the Konoha Duo. And here is a list of Isshiki's abilities that are released when using Real Body:
โข Dojutsu.
Isshiki's left eye is Byakugan, and his right eye is Dharmagan ( https://i.imgur.com/SCsTcH7.jpg ).
โข Sukunahikona.
Isshiki can reduce the size of himself and other inanimate objects so that he can use them in battle ( https://i.imgur.com/04a4Y5r.jpg ).
โข Daikokuten.
Isshiki can have his own version of the dimension, where he can store various objects whose size he reduces. So this is technically similar to Kamui, but the difference is that the object he enters here must be reduced in size first with Sukunahikona.
There is an explanation that must be explained regarding Isshiki's capabilities and jutsu when he is at full power. Yup, none other than a scan of Isshiki's last battle against the Konoha Duo. ( https://cdn.bakihanma.com/file/Zoly...t-generations/chapter-38-he-s-bad-news/21.jpg ) power development that is significantly superior to using containers ( Jigen), Isshiki can continuously outspeed the Konoha Duo and bombard them. Spamming his Dojutsu power by taking out a large cube, cornering the object, which was clearly not previously shown in Jigen's battle against the Konoha Duo. Yeah this was before Naruto used Baryon mode.
Let's continue, this is the final case being discussed, during Naruto Baryon mode, it is clear that Isshiki was hit by an all-out blitz by Naruto, the position here is that Naruto wins hands down ( https://cdn.bakihanma.com/file/Zolyvmanga/boruto/chapter52/010. jpg ), this position can be seen with Naruto's new form, increasing his speed significantly so that he can attack Isshiki, even though previously Naruto was completely beaten by Isshiki (before using Baryon mode). From here the speed statistical conclusion that we can draw is Naruto Baryon > Isshiki Full Power > Jigen Full Power = Naruto (Exclude Baryon) & Sasuke > Jigen 10% > Koji > Delta.
I also want to respond to people who make negative assumptions regarding this topic:
โข Many people say that Amado's statement is just a form of wild speculation, but it is something you should know. Amado is known as an observer and researcher, he is a former Inner from the Kara organization, he created Cyborg. Isshiki is occupying Jigen's body to become his new host, of course Amado knows that. After receiving information that Amado was the head of the research division in the Kara organization, there was no doubt about his interpretation. The cyborgs he has created are Koji, Delta, Eida and Daemon. With a vision and mission to eliminate Isshiki after finding out Isshiki's true goal of destroying the planet in order to evolve. Amado has learned many things, there is no doubt about the speculation he has implemented, with credibility seen through his status ( https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Amado_Sanzu ). With evidence that Amado is someone who is established in the field of research and creation of Cyborgs. In addition, the interpretation of Vsb which correlates with a statement from a researcher who studied the character is reliable (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Statements).
โข There are also those who assume that if Isshiki had a speed that was 10ร faster than Naruto (excluding Byron) and Sasuke, then Sasuke would not be able to see Isshiki's movements when fighting Naruto ( https://cdn.bakihanma.com/file/Zolyvmanga /boruto/chapter52/010.jpg ) because Sasuke's reaction speed was clearly far below that of Isshiki and Naruto in that position. But on the other hand, Sasuke said that he "almost" couldn't see the movements of the two of them ( https://i.imgur.com/eKrVuTW.jpg ), so did Sasuke also get the 10ร Multiplier? The answer is clearly no, because the average person who assumes something like this commits a Half-Truth Fallacy because interrupting the statement given by Sasuke, Sasuke said that "I can't see their movements with my Sharingan" which means we can conclude that he can see their movements with the Sharingan, but can't see their movements without the Sharingan, this can happen because with the Sharingan alone, Sasuke says "almost" can't see their movements, where the Sharingan has special abilities such as Precognition ( https:// naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Sharingan) which proves that with the presence of the Sharingan, the reaction speed of seeing can increase, but because it doesn't use real eyes (not including the Sharingan) it doesn't get any reaction speed achievements at all, because the conclusion is if without the Sharingan you cannot see his movements, so the conclusion is that the reaction speed of the Sharingan is โ the reaction speed of Sasuke physically.
โข Lastly, this is the most common and most misunderstood explanation, many people assume that if chakra = speed, why is it that Kaguya, who is known to have chakra far above Naruto, can be blitzed by Naruto? The answer is simple, this is the same as my explanation above, that 100% chakra = prime condition, every Shinobi has the capability to accommodate chakra and the chakra needs in their respective bodies, and it is always different for each individual. An easy analogy is like this, there are 2 glasses that have significant differences in size, one is 1 cm and the other is 5 cm, they can hold 100% of the water according to their capacity. the 1 cm glass can only hold 1 cm of water, and the 5 cm glass can only hold 5 cm of water. both can accommodate the whole, but the differences in capacity are relatively different.
Because this idea prioritizes speed. then we will explain the Konoha duo's speed calculations here. At least 1.03c based on calculations rewritten by Denlizt ( https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DenLitz/Naruto_dodge_Light_Fang ) it's up to you whether you want to take the manga or anime version. With the quantity of speed that Naruto has, namely FTL 1.03c. Jigen is 10% capable of On-par with Kashin Koji, while Kashin Koji = delta, and Delta = Naruto. atleast, if Jigen is 100% against Kashin Koji, he will be 10x faster than before, so; 1.03 ร 10 = 10.3 or FTL+ 10.3c.
โข Clarification of KCM Naruto speed.
The majority said that Naruto's speed when fighting Delta was lower than his speed presentation when he got the FTL 1.03c (Six path mode) achievement due to the difference in mode. Actually, we can turn around first when the Konoha duo fight Jigen in their dimension. Jigen has relatively higher speed than the Konoha Duo, because Sasuke still has the Rinnegan and Sharingan. Sasuke's speed is FTL 1.03c because he is able to Onpar with Naruto Six Path Mode when he has the Rinnegan and Sharingan in the Valley of Death [ https://*********.me/title/10016-en-naruto/1140910-vol-63-ch-695-1 | https://*********.me/title/10016-en-naruto/1140908-vol-63-ch-696-1 | https://*********.me/title/10016-en-naruto/3219738-vol-72-ch-697-1-naruto-and-sasuke-4 ]. Naruto using KCM was able to react several times to Jigen, this determines that Naruto KCM is equivalent to Jigen (FTL [1.03c]). So, Naruto's speed remains consistent at FTL 1.03c even though there is a difference in mode and the performance produced by Six Path.
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โ๐๐๐ ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐๐ญ๐.
โข ๐๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐จ โโข> ๐ ๐๐+ ๐๐,๐๐.
โข ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ค๐ข โโข> ๐ ๐๐+ ๐๐,๐๐.
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โข ๐๐ข๐ ๐๐ง โโข> ๐ ๐๐+ ๐๐,๐๐.
โข ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ค๐ โโข> ๐ ๐๐+ ๐๐,๐๐.
Won't work either way since the multiplier method cannot be applied here. It would just be scaled to FTL far higher at best probablyIf y'all can like freaking wait a year or something we might get more knowledge and fights on koji and he could actually scale.
But nope y'all just rush to make threads
Bro is speaking FAXWon't work either way since the multiplier method cannot be applied here. It would just be scaled to FTL far higher at best probably
Buddy the multiplier was long accepted a while back. What caused it to be removed is that the less than 10% jigen in question doesn't scale to ftl in the first placeWon't work either way since the multiplier method cannot be applied here. It would just be scaled to FTL far higher at best probably
Nothing has changed as before. Same argument, same case, same ..... rejection (as before).
Just seeing the addition of the case why Op claimed chakra=speed; that kinda odd, I don't think it's a good generalization, tbh.
Staff evaluation is need here.
It being accepted doesn't always mean it's 100% right. I hate repeating this but chakra decreasing to 50% doesn't mean that the speed will also decrease to 50%.Buddy the multiplier was long accepted a while back. What caused it to be removed is that the less than 10% jigen in question doesn't scale to ftl in the first place
What you think is irrelevant if you cannot prove it. Jigen was not at 10% chakra. Amado states jigen was at less than 10% in power. Not chakra but power. That machine jigen sits on is to repair the vessel as well as recharge. By less than 10% they are talking about his state in general. One more time power and not just chakra.It being accepted doesn't always mean it's 100% right. I hate repeating this but chakra decreasing to 50% doesn't mean that the speed will also decrease to 50%.
Jigen being a certain speed with 10% chakra capacity doesn't make his speed go down up to 10% aswell. Simply put, a 100% Jigen wouldn't be a 10x multiplier because of this.
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โ๐๐๐ ๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐๐ญ๐.
โข ๐๐๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ๐จ โโข> ๐ ๐๐+ ๐๐,๐๐.
โข ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ค๐ข โโข> ๐ ๐๐+ ๐๐,๐๐.
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โข ๐๐ข๐ ๐๐ง โโข> ๐ ๐๐+ ๐๐,๐๐.
โข ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ค๐ โโข> ๐ ๐๐+ ๐๐,๐๐.
hello to all
I agree with this. A discussion rule should be created to avoid people spamming the same, old, rejected arguments.I see no new arguments here. Y'all are treading on thin ice right now with this topic, because there's a very compelling argument that could be made for a Discussion Rule to be put in place.
CHAKRA = SPEED.
First, I have literally provided empirical evidence regarding Chakra = Stamina before. things we need to know now, Stamina = Body endurance.
Endurance is the foundation of speed. because if we don't have endurance, then we can't move, right? here's the simple reason. Chakra = Stamina (body endurance) = Speed.