Ohh, actually i don't want to explain this anymore but it still being discussed and i just want to prevent a thread.
Indestructible story of superman is real, Grant morrison finds Superman exiciting character that he is a self perpetuating idea & always have a comic.
He stated it in interview, superman is already exist when he wasn't born yet and Superman will still exist when he is already a dust & idea. And he made a comic about how he felt about this, which is final crisis. And he also stated like this :
Morrison: Yeah, completely. As you know, from the very start of this, it was kind of me trying to do a 'final' statement on DCU superhero comics before I go off and have a rethink. Unmaking the DC Universe to the point of destruction then showing how its own internal rules will work to homeostatically reset it. Superman always saves the day or he's not Superman. It's a self-perpetuating idea. So I wanted to get in everything I felt about that, and I knew it was ambitious, but I actually do think we nailed it.
He called this self perpetuating idea of superman as an
unimaginable natural defense when mandrakk thought the story will end like the story in book of limbo. Relentless idea is a rule to ensure no matter how many time there is a comics made with superman threatened, the comics & Superman will end up with superman survive and his story goes on or continue.
IGN Comics: You stated that you wanted Final Crisis and Beyond to be about the nature of story itself, and I definitely think you've succeeded in that regard, particularly in Beyond and FC #7. Again, there are so many layers to this, and I'd just like to get your thoughts on a few things I noticed:
First off, you've spoken about the power of story, and the power of the DC Universe in particular, and expressed a certain level of awe at how these creations and these stories outlast their creators significantly. This sentiment seems to play out directly when Zillo Valla faces down Mandrakk's dream of the ultimate void by telling him she found a story in the germ world that's unstoppable and indestructible, about a child rocketed to Earth from a doomed planet. Is that pretty much what you were going for there?
Morrison: Yeah, pretty much. The fact that in the DC Universe there is a story about a genuinely good and moral man who can't be beat, and the fact that the DC Universe exists in the real world means that humanity made up a story about a genuinely moral man who can't be beat. That's a really cool story to learn from, especially when we're under a lot of pressure in the world today from lots of angles. So again, like I said to you earlier, it's the idea of acknowledging a genuine depth of reality to these fictions. It's not the fourth wall, it's not post-modern or meta – I hate those terms because I think they just undermine the simple notion that everything we can experience is real, including dreams and stories. These characters are in here, in the universe with us, and they have s--t to tell us. And that's what I find really exciting. They're real in the sense that you can hold them in your hands and interact with them. They don't need to pretend to live in New York. It's much more real than that – they're actually alive in our hands.
He said its not 4th wall or meta, so it doesnt qualified for plot manipulation isn't it?
Its not a conventional type of fourth wall like TOAA, The Writer or Superman write the story at morrison's work desk. But superman as a character exist in human's mind as a self perpetuating idea. This relentless idea of him makes him will always have a comic book in our hand, we can say the story won't end with Superman truly defeated/destroyed. The story has to end with Superman continuing. Like Final Crisis. This morrison statement below is before the his previous statement i bold.
It's another twist on this relentless idea of realistic superhero comics, because the 'realism' in this one comes from the reader's acknowledgment that what he holds in his hands is a section of a real, alternate universe of superheroes, living out lives across decades.
"Holds in his hands" means a comic book read by readers. When you read a comic book, you hold the book in your hand. Superman will always have this comic book story. This is 4th wall but not the conventional one.
Morrison views CAS as manifestasi of
superman's mission outside the germworld, not the story of superman that located
deep within germworld. That's very contrast. What makes superman's mission success is because of real life human knowing how the story ends up with superman survive like usual comics across decade :
"oh, Superman will be killed forever, but don't worry DC will never really make it happen. It will end with superman survive and goes on just like previous stories." ↓↓↓
Morrison : I mean, in Superman Beyond we told a story that's told a million times, where the good strong guy goes up against the old corrupt evil bad guy who wants to prey on everything in his path, and the good guy elects to stop him. We've seen that story in every comic we've ever read and every movie we've ever seen, and yet it's still powerful. An appreciation for that particular story seems hardwired into the human nervous system.
Morrison wants final crisis about nature of story, how superman is indestructible & defeat threats. Its all because he is self perpetuating/relentless idea. It does combat applicable. Its limited because its not a type of plot manipulation where you can write anything in your thought. But self perpetuating idea of superman is ruling the story must be written in certain way, where they are always
survive and continue.
Its indeed sounds bullshit, but the reason I was motivated to put it in superman's profile because there's a comic where this idea
put in(Final Crisis).
These all have the same idea, other character views superman as unique character.
