fnaf at freddys various downgrades

[Bendynoah10]

So true

 

[Sans2345]

I heavily agree with this the Nightmare animatronics should get a massive revision, they never do anything with their claws and teeth, but they would still be 9-C.

And about what you said about William, dismantling a animatronic would be around tier 9 since its safe to assume that Freddy and the gang are made of metal and wires just like most real life animatronics, and i agree with the 10-A tier, William Afton killing children would be around that tier i believe.

And i agree with the false claims about the animatronics stuffing humans into suits that it crushes their skull, it is never stated or never shown that they "crush skulls" the player is still alive, before dying due to the metal and wires inside the suit.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

And about what you said about William, dismantling a animatronic would be around tier 9 since its safe to assume that Freddy and the gang are made of metal and wires just like most real life animatronics

william should know how to dismantle animatronics without brute force, it’s unclear whether or not he did so with a weapon, and the pizzeria was in horrible condition at the time anyways

it is never stated or never shown that they "crush skulls" the player is still alive, before dying due to the metal and wires inside the suit.

tbf the skull is obviously crushed at some point, just not directly by the animatronics

 

[Sans2345]

Maybe i could get some people who are supporters of FNAF to put their input here.

 

[Sans2345]

One thing i don't get, is they didn't merge TOYSHK with Golden Freddy, as its pretty much Golden Freddy tormenting Afton in hell.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

i don’t think that’s really confirmed

 

[BigSmoke4269]

also the part of afton’s summary about his return as glitchtrap should be removed, as it’s unknown whether glitchtrap is truly the original william afton or just a digital copy

 

[BigSmoke4269]

i just posted something about springtrap’s pain resistance only to check the profile and realize that he does not have pain resistance

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

i just posted something about springtrap’s pain resistance only to check the profile and realize that he does not have pain resistance

Novel one does

 

[BigSmoke4269]

ok

apparently thats not an ability anymore and should be applied to stamina instead

 

[BigSmoke4269]

bump

 

[Bendynoah10]

Y'all nerf Williams durability he can't die or get hurt so he must be unbeatable so like when boundless afton

 

[BigSmoke4269]

no because he says “i always come back”, this would require him to always go away which in this context means that he is always being defeated, 11-C afton

 

[Bendynoah10]

Nah 15-A afton

 

[BigSmoke4269]

something along those lines yeah

 

[Sans2345]

Y'all nerf Williams durability he can't die or get hurt so he must be unbeatable so like when boundless afton

"He can't die"

He literally becomes Springtrap, this is not a fun and games thread.

 

[Comiphorous]

can we slightly tweak the nightmare animatronic's scaling? who the protagonist of fnaf 4 is kinda up in the air, and should probably be noted on the profile.

At least 10-B (Can easily overpower and kill the crying child), possibly 9-C (It is implied through a drawing made by Michael Afton that he was the person having the nightmares of the animatronics, not the crying child, therefore would put them on this level)

This would keep their 9-C rating, but give them better reasoning for it.

 

[Sans2345]

can we slightly tweak the nightmare's scaling? who the protagonist of fnaf 4 is kinda up in the air, and should probably be noted on the profile.

At least 10-B (Can easily overpower and kill the crying child), possibly 9-C (It is implied through a drawing made by Michael Afton that he was the person having the nightmares of the animatronics, not the crying child, therefore would put them on this level)

This would keep their 9-C rating, but give them better reasoning for it.

I agree with this, i still find it funny the "BIGGER THAN A HUMAN" thing is still on their pages after all these years, when it's in the view of a literal child.

 

[Sans2345]

Also, i feel like Nightmare Foxy should be deleted, as he doesn't appear in UCN, and is only a dream character created by a child's imagination.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

can we slightly tweak the nightmare's scaling? who the protagonist of fnaf 4 is kinda up in the air, and should probably be noted on the profile.

At least 10-B (Can easily overpower and kill the crying child), possibly 9-C (It is implied through a drawing made by Michael Afton that he was the person having the nightmares of the animatronics, not the crying child, therefore would put them on this level)

This would keep their 9-C rating, but give them better reasoning for it.

if michael is the protag of fnaf 4, that also means he’s the crying child (medical equipment popping up, the player’s perspective in comparison to household objects, crying child’s fears reflected in the dream). i guess a damaged frontal lobe would explain why he keeps going to work at fnaf at freddys

even if foxybro is michael and the protag is michael, killing a teenager is not 9-C

 

[Comiphorous]

if michael is the protag of fnaf 4, that also means he’s the crying child (medical equipment popping up, the player’s perspective in comparison to household objects, crying child’s fears reflected in the dream). i guess a damaged frontal lobe would explain why he keeps going to work at fnaf at freddys

the problem with that is that the crying child dies at the end of fnaf 4, so he can't be the crying child. they are definitely seperate people even if michael if the protagonst of fnaf 4.

even if foxybro is michael and the protag is michael, killing a teenager is not 9-C

Dreams fade pretty fast after someone wakes up, there's no way Michael would be able to remember what the nightmares looked like decades later to draw N. Fredbear when he was an adult. unless michael has a photogrpahic memory, those nightmares would have had to have happened recently for him to recall what they look like. so the nightmares would be killing an adult Michael, not a teenage michael.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

the problem with that is that the crying child dies at the end of fnaf 4, so he can't be the crying child. they are definitely seperate people even if michael if the protagonst of fnaf 4.

william literally tells the crying child that he’ll bring him back

and i guess it’s possible he didn’t actually die idk

Dreams fade pretty fast after someone wakes up, there's no way Michael would be able to remember what the nightmares looked like decades later to draw N. Fredbear when he was an adult. unless michael has a photogrpahic memory, those nightmares would have had to have happened recently for him to recall what they look like. so the nightmares would be killing an adult Michael, not a teenage michael.

even so, the dreams themselves are from the perspective of a small child. unless you’re trying to tell me that michael is shorter than a doorknob as an adult

 

[Comiphorous]

william literally tells the crying child that he’ll bring him back

and i guess it’s possible he didn’t actually die idk

Eh, nothing really says William ever did this. chances are he was busy getting his other children killed and resurrected into mechanical abominations/sock puppets.

even so, the dreams themselves are from the perspective of a small child. unless you’re trying to tell me that michael is shorter than a doorknob as an adult

It'd be rather funny if he were. but in all seriousness i think it's possible Michael is crouching down in front of the doors (if it is him), which would make sense if he's trying to make less sound.

Edit: FNAF 1 calls play as ambience in the hallways, meaning this would have had to take place during/post-fnaf 1, as michael wouldn't have heard those yet.

speaking of doors, why the hell doesn't fredbear have large size 0? isn't he estimated to be like, 12 feet tall?

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Eh, nothing really says William ever did this. chances are he was busy getting his other children killed and resurrected into mechanical abominations/sock puppets.

it does make it 100% possible for the crying child to still be alive though. we know william’s remnant experiments were successful, and bringing his son back was likely his motive for those experiments.

It'd be rather funny if he were. but in all seriousness i think it's possible Michael is crouching down in front of the doors (if it is him)

we don’t see the perspective go down to indicate crouching. his perspective is at that height at all times. maybe he’s just constantly crouching, every time he runs across the room hes just waddling around at high speeds

your appearance in a dream doesn’t necessarily reflect your appearance in real life. he is dreaming of himself as a child.

speaking of doors, why the hell doesn't fredbear have large size 0? isn't he estimated to be like, 12 feet tall?

do you mean nightmare fredbear or normal fredbear

 

[Comiphorous]

we don’t see the perspective go down to indicate crouching. his perspective is at that height at all times. maybe he’s just constantly crouching, every time he runs across the room hes just waddling around at high speeds

your appearance in a dream doesn’t necessarily reflect your appearance in real life. he is dreaming of himself as a child.

We kinda do though. when he runs toward either of the doors, the camera pans down to the floor (very close to the floor, even for someone who would be lower than a door knob in height) before rising back up where he's below the door knob.

do you mean nightmare fredbear or normal fredbear

Nightmare fredbear. real fredbear i dont recall having any great appearances for height besides minigames.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

We kinda do though. when he runs toward either of the doors, the camera pans down to the floor before rising back up where he's below the door knob.

if he was crouching the camera would be going down, not up

Nightmare fredbear. real fredbear i dont recall having any great appearances for height besides minigames.

tbh i think they should both have large size, fredbear is ******* massive in the minigame. half of the crying child’s torso fits in his jaw with room to spare. not entirely sure if fnaf 4’s minigames are visually accurate though

 

[Comiphorous]

if he was crouching the camera would be going down, not up

Oh my bad i meant it goes down-


when you start at the bed, you dont appear to be as short as a door knob until you actually get to it, which the transition from door to bed shows the kid/michael moving their head to the floor.

tbh i think they should both have large size, fredbear is ******* massive in the minigame. half of the crying child’s torso fits in his jaw with room to spare. not entirely sure if fnaf 4’s minigames are visually accurate though

Pretty sure they're like, the most visually accurate minigames in the series.

plus, if the nightmare version of fredbear is seen as a 12 foot tall golden holy bear i doubt the real version is far off from that height aswell.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

when you start at the bed, you dont appear to be as short as a door knob until you actually get to it

that’s a matter of your distance from the doorknob. also when you look at the bed you’re barely taller than it, and there’s toys for little kids strewn about everywhere.

which the transition from door to bed shows the kid/michael moving their head to the floor.

yeah, when he’s walking. that’s just him looking down. even if he is crouching, his head goes back up whenever he checks something. this means he crouches down to walk, and then gets back up when he checks the doors/bed/closet

Pretty sure they're like, the most visually accurate minigames in the series.

yeah, but that’s a really, really, really low bar to clear. the graphics are still shit.

plus, if the nightmare version of fredbear is seen as a 12 foot tall golden holy bear i doubt the real version is far off from that height aswell.

the og animatronics are much larger in the nightmares than they are in the first game

 

[Comiphorous]

that’s a matter of your distance from the doorknob. also when you look at the bed you’re barely taller than it, and there’s toys for little kids strewn about everywhere.

Don't judge Michael's interests!!!!

yeah, when he’s walking. that’s just him looking down. even if he is crouching, his head goes back up whenever he checks something. this means he crouches down to walk, and then gets back up when he checks the doors/bed/closet

the michael afton in question looking up at his 12 foot tall murder nightmare bear.

yeah, but that’s a really, really, really low bar to clear. the graphics are still shit.

True.

the og animatronics are much larger in the nightmares than they are in the first game

Yeah, but fredbear's height seems more consistent with his minigame look in fnaf 4 (which is debatably reliable) than the others.


regardless, the fact fnaf 1 phone calls play in the background, animatronics act the same as they do in fnaf 1 (trying to enter the room the same way) and michael drawing nightmare fredbear makes me think it's a possible rating at best that they killed michael in the dreams. the height thing could just be due to how inaccurate dreams can be compared to what is actually real.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Don't judge Michael's interests!!!!

my point is, he’s dreaming from the perspective of a kid (likely his brother, given the medical equipment and the crying child’s fears reflected in foxy’s behavior). he’s in a kid’s room with the height of a kid. he’s probably a kid.

the michael afton in question looking up at his 12 foot tall murder nightmare bear.

is that you agreeing with me and making a joke or is that you making a joke based on why you disagree with me

Yeah, but fredbear's height seems more consistent with his minigame look in fnaf 4 (which is debatably reliable) than the others.

yeah but his minigame look in fnaf 4 isn’t really consistent with his appearance in ucn

regardless, the fact fnaf 1 phone calls play in the background, animatronics act the same as they do in fnaf 1 (trying to enter the room the same way) and michael drawing nightmare fredbear makes me think it's a possible rating at best that they killed michael in the dreams. the height thing could just be due to how inaccurate dreams can be compared to what is actually real.

yeah, so if michael is a tiny baby man in his dreams, and they killed michael in his dreams, that means they killed a tiny baby man

 

[Comiphorous]

my point is, he’s dreaming from the perspective of a kid (likely his brother, given the medical equipment and the crying child’s fears reflected in foxy’s behavior). he’s in a kid’s room with the height of a kid. he’s probably a kid.

Fair.

is that you agreeing with me and making a joke or is that you making a joke based on why you disagree with me

Agreeing

yeah but his minigame look in fnaf 4 isn’t really consistent with his appearance in ucn

Isn't UCN's canonicity kinda up in the air? regardless of that, fair enough.

yeah, so if michael is a tiny baby man in his dreams, and they killed michael in his dreams, that means they killed a tiny baby man

fair nough.

in that light, never mind. the original scaling is fine as it's likely michael is seeing his dreams in the perspective of a child.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

awesome

i can’t believe we’ve come to an agreement on something, absolutely mad

Isn't UCN's canonicity kinda up in the air?

ucn is 100% canon, it’s just not exactly real. it’s basically a hallucination from purple guy’s perspective as golden freddy tortures him in purgatory (sanest fnaf lore moment)

all of the animatronic designs in ucn are 100% accurate to the originals. they’re the same characters, just summoned in purgatory by golden freddy to torture afton

 

[Comiphorous]

awesome

i can’t believe we’ve come to an agreement on something, absolutely mad

ucn is 100% canon, it’s just not exactly real. it’s basically a hallucination from purple guy’s perspective as golden freddy tortures him in purgatory (sanest fnaf lore moment)

all of the animatronic designs in ucn are 100% accurate to the originals. they’re the same characters, just summoned in purgatory by golden freddy to torture afton

The One You Shouldn't Have Killed letting the victims of William Afton's massacre rest in piece after living in agony for decades challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

 

[Joaco0902]

William Afton: Likely 10-A (Killed several children in a springlock suit without any of them activating the springlocks. Dismantled Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, and Foxy through unknown means, although they were in poor condition and he needed to ambush them to do so)

Aight fellas here's a question why is killing a bunch of toddlers considered a 10-A feat

there's no way in **** that a child would be able to activate the springlocks just by struggling with afton when the entire point of the springlock suits is for the person in them to be able to interact with people and children. Like, they're made so that a kid can play around with and hug the character and whatnot, I can't imagine that whoever made the suit would be stupid enough risk having a small child send the guy inside the spring bonnie suit to the hospital just because they were a little rough with the mascot

what im trying to say is that i doubt the suit is made with such shit quality that a child can cause it to malfunction so terribly. you'd think they'd be extra careful with that shit

 

[Comiphorous]

Aight fellas here's a question why is killing a bunch of toddlers considered a 10-A feat

there's no way in **** that a child would be able to activate the springlocks just by struggling with afton when the entire point of the springlock suits is for the person in them to be able to interact with people and children. Like, they're made so that a kid can play around with and hug the character and whatnot, I can't imagine that whoever made the suit would be stupid enough risk having a small child send the guy inside the spring bonnie suit to the hospital just because they were a little rough with the mascot

what im trying to say is that i doubt the suit is made with such shit quality that a child can cause it to malfunction so terribly. you'd think they'd be extra careful with that shit

If the springlocks go off, you aint going off to the hospital, your going off to see jesus.

regardless, a far better feat is him dismantling the animatronics.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Like, they're made so that a kid can play around with and hug the character and whatnot

no they are not lol do you not remember the bite of 83

I can't imagine that whoever made the suit would be stupid enough risk having a small child send the guy inside the spring bonnie suit to the hospital just because they were a little rough with the mascot

but they are stupid enough for that lol, the springlocks can literally be activated if a kid spits on the suit

springlock suits are dumb as shit

what im trying to say is that i doubt the suit is made with such shit quality that a child can cause it to malfunction so terribly. you'd think they'd be extra careful with that shit

williams suit killed him when a ******* rain drop fell on it lol

 

[Comiphorous]

no they are not lol do you not remember the bite of 83

iirc the springlock suits were made so that if an animatronic needed repair an employee could go in for the animatronic's place, which would actually limit how close they were in direct contact with children due to being on a stage.

 

[Joaco0902]

oh i thought they were made so that they could hang out with kids offstage like the mascots at disneyland or something my b

 

[Comiphorous]

oh i thought they were made so that they could hang out with kids offstage like the mascots at disneyland or something my b

Well, William did USE them to 'hang out' with children off stage, but probably not the same thing as you were saying.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

including the five seconds preceding withered foxy’s jumpscare will just have a lower result, i think i’ll be better off calcing from the moment he enters the office

plus its easier