Flowey fights the Grim Reaper (Flowey vs Lavender) (1-5-0)

[Deleted member 16409]

How would that even work? Stop reaching, Sans clearly just killed him a bunch of times.

Nah. Never mentioned, he JUST was a reason of fair amount of RESETs. It's just a "likely" answer about what happened, but it's just your hypothesis, nothing more than that.

Yes, under completely different circumstances.

Of course, but there's STILL a fact that he did it.

 

[Armorchompy]

Look, we could debate this in circles for god knows how much longer but, point is, Lavender just casts a spell and Flowey goes to sleep. End of match. No need to bend over backwards and try to think up situations in which Flowey might possibly win.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Look, we could debate this in circles for god knows how much longer but, point is, Lavender just casts a spell and Flowey goes to sleep. End of match. No need to bend over backwards and try to think up situations in which Flowey might possibly win.

Actually yes, sleep thingy is the way how Lavender takes ez win.

But, do you remember Asriel fight and the thing that Frisk was dreaming and even then, they tried reach out for SAVE file?

Flowey would simply LOAD and uses "that unfunny trick" what will catch Lavender and..?
Maybe, nerfing her like he did with everyone in Pacifist Route but probably it won't work.

 

[Armorchompy]

But, do you remember Asriel fight and the thing that Frisk was dreaming and even then, they tried reach out for SAVE file?

Frisk, who has way more determination than Flowey at that point? Doesn't extend to him, sorry, not that it really was a dream if memory serves..

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Frisk, who has way more determination than Flowey at that point?

Of course, why not?

Doesn't extend to him, sorry, not that it really was a dream if memory serves..

it probably was a "dream"-like thing because when Asriel released everyone's SOULs, Monsters woke up and look at Frisk keep sleeping.
After asriel leaves, Frisk wakes up and Asriel teleports to the start of Underground.

 

[Armorchompy]

Of course, why not?

If Frisk has more DT than Flowey then we can't assume Flowey can do the same things with DT as them, dude.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump, lets continue the discussion

 

[Armorchompy]

There isn't much discussion to be had, Lavender just puts Flowey to sleep

 

[Deleted member 16409]

There isn't much discussion to be had, Lavender just puts Flowey to sleep

why won't Flowey wake up

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Welp, I... forgot this match was a thing. Am almost leaning towards Lavender FRA now since her sleep hax seems relable, but Origin did propose a good question since there is nothing that stops Flowey from eventually waking back up.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Welp, I... forgot this match was a thing. Am almost leaning towards Lavender FRA now since her sleep hax seems relable, but Origin did propose a good question since there is nothing that stops Flowey from eventually waking back up.

Really
And in the SBA IIRC if someone get incap for more than 24 hours then gg.

 

[Armorchompy]

why won't Flowey wake up

It's supernatural sleep, could very well last over 24 hours. Plus while he's asleep she could just drain him of all willpower.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

It's supernatural sleep, could very well last over 24 hours. Plus while he's asleep she could just drain him of all willpower.

I know that this's offtopic but

why asriel doesn't has dream manip on page and why frisk can't have a resistance for it on a page...

 

[Armorchompy]

idk

 

[Deleted member 16409]

It's supernatural sleep, could very well last over 24 hours. Plus while he's asleep she could just drain him of all willpower.

You hadn't answered a question.

 

[Peppersalt43]

I'm starting to sound like a broken record here... Wait, I always do. Oh well

Bump, lets continue the discussion

 

[Deleted member 16409]

You hadn't answered a question.

You. Didn't. Answer.

 

[Armorchompy]

Chill out bro, you literally said it's off topic, I don't know and quite frankly I don't really care.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Chill out bro, you literally said it's off topic, I don't know and quite frankly I don't really care.

I'm not about that!
I'm about why Flowey CAN'T wake up.

 

[Armorchompy]

It's supernatural sleep, could very well last over 24 hours. Plus while he's asleep she could just drain him of all willpower.

Short story is it very well could given that it lasts indefinitely in battle I think, plus even if it did she could very easily incap him that way while he's asleep.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Short story is it very well could given that it lasts indefinitely in battle I think, plus even if it did she could very easily incap him that way while he's asleep.

now thank you for the answer

 

[Jackythejack]

I think the votes changed to be two for Lavender and one for Flowey? Idk.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Am now voting for Lavender. Was voting for Flowey previously. I think/

 

[Deleted member 16409]

I'm sticking with idea that he could LOAD when he sleep.

 

[Jackythejack]

so I guess 2-2 for the match

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Should it be 3-1? I am not voting for Lavender.

 

[Comiphorous]

OK OK OK ENOUGH!

Flowey fought Sans, ASGORE and other monsters, so he could dodge and abuse anything that he would find usable.
After that, hiding underground, he probably just gonna spam her until she gaves up.

he fought sans and lost.

he never fought asgore. he never got past sans.

 

[Jackythejack]

Should it be 3-1? I am not voting for Lavender.

didn't you just say you were though? I'm confused...

 

[Deleted member 16409]

he fought sans and lost.

he never fought asgore. he never got past sans.

nah.
he got past sans, he killed him after all.
He never said that "omg sans so cool he killed me so many times(((", it's more like Sans used his power to ruin Flowey's plans and etc.

Stop wanking sans.

 

[Comiphorous]

nah.
he got past sans, he killed him after all.
He never said that "omg sans so cool he killed me so many times(((", it's more like Sans used his power to ruin Flowey's plans and etc.

Stop wanking sans.

no. he literally states he could have never get past asgore. and literally fears sans.

if he could kill sans he wouldn't have feared sans, let alone the fact that he states he caused him to reset multiple times, and literally needed you to kill asgore for him and show off the souls to him so he could get them. flowey didn't know where the souls were, which means he never got past sans since even if he couldn't get passed asgore he would have known where the souls were in that case.

using sans and asgore as a skill feat in dodging when he never got past either of them respectively is dumb.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

didn't you just say you were though? I'm confused...

Oof, why the heck did I add not! I am voting for Lavender now! Ignore the not.

 

[Jackythejack]

I'll take your word on it and say it's 3-1 lol.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

no. he literally states he could have never get past asgore. and literally fears sans.

In neutral route when we are there - of course because Asgore is freaking thought and would never let Flowey take the SOULs.

He just knew that just go and take the SOULs when he fights is really bad idea.

if he could kill sans he wouldn't have feared sans, let alone the fact that he states he caused him to reset multiple times,

He never scared, he just aware that the skeleton is capable to do the big problems like read all his plans.

and literally needed you to kill asgore for him and show off the souls to him so he could get them.

Bro.
Seems like you never even read the dialogues.
Flowey stated that he tried more than 200 ways to make Asgore show him the SOULs, and he states that he killed them anyway that means that they're just hard-to-kill but killed.

flowey didn't know where the souls were, which means he never got past sans since even if he couldn't get passed asgore he would have known where the souls were in that case.

He got past Sans, he has NOT only genocide routes or your memory was rotten by fights?

using sans and asgore as a skill feat in dodging when he never got past either of them respectively is dumb.

The only dumb here is your argument FRA.

 

[Jackythejack]

why are you being so rude

 

[Deleted member 16409]

why are you being so rude

I'm not rude, I never say bad things about FarerPurple and etc, only about his argument not about him.

 

[Jackythejack]

or your memory was rotten by fights?

Seems a bit rude

 

[Comiphorous]

He never scared, he just aware that the skeleton is capable to do the big problems like read all his plans.

Flowey literally advises you to stay away from sans. and flowey is aware you're more powerful than him at that point. you're completely on board that flowey is telling someone who's stronger than him to be careful against someone he's already killed?

Bro.
Seems like you never even read the dialogues.
Flowey stated that he tried more than 200 ways to make Asgore show him the SOULs, and he states that he killed them anyway that means that they're just hard-to-kill but killed.

Flowey never killed asgore. he states himself he never did as he could have never gotten past him without your help (implying he's never killed asgore). hell the fact he tried to get asgore to show him the souls implies he wasn't doing a genocide route at the time, making the only time he reaches asgore times when he didn't need to kill anything and fight sans.

flowey doesn't know where the souls were meaning he never got through asgore (or, alternatively never reached him), he never completed a full genocide route as he never killed asgore, which is required for a full genocide route (again, never killed asgore before meaning he either got stumped on sans or couldn't kill asgore. both making you mentioning either redundant)

He got past Sans, he has NOT only genocide routes or your memory was rotten by fights?

A full genocide route requires you to kill asgore, someone he's never killed as implied in the neutral run. meaning he never reached or never beat asgore even on a genocide route.

The only dumb here is your argument FRA.

not a counter argument to the fact you mentioned at least one character he's confirmed to have never killed (asgore), and one that he absolutely does not affiliate with due to his power (sans)

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Seems a bit rude

Then I'm sorry if I offensed someone.

 

[Deleted member 16409]

Flowey literally advises you to stay away from sans. and flowey is aware you're more powerful than him at that point. you're completely on board that flowey is telling someone who's stronger than him to be careful against someone he's already killed?

Because Sans is anyway hard to kill? It's like yes you killed dark souls boss but it's tough to kill him again.

Anyway, Undertale doesn't end everything with just a constant fights like here do, and you know that there's a WAY more easier way than just kill Flowey and cause him to reset?

It's blow up all his plans from very start or in-mid.

Flowey never killed asgore. he states himself

he didn't, and he stated himself that he killed everyone.

he never did as he could have never gotten past him without your help (implying he's never killed asgore).

False argument, it means not this.

hell the fact he tried to get asgore to show him the souls implies he wasn't doing a genocide route at the time, meaning he wouldn't have fought sans anyways. making the only time he reaches asgore times when he didn't need to kill anything and fight sans.

Asgore won't show souls to anyone besides Alphys and humans, like, you KNOW that it's stupid to show the souls to the monster you're gonna fight with because monster/etc can just absorb souls and gg.

And he was just reading to collect the last soul when he showed it to Frisk.

"flowey doesn't know where the souls were meaning he never got through asgore (or, alternatively never reached him)"
FRA no

he never completed a full genocide route as he never killed asgore, which is required for a full genocide route (again, never killed asgore before meaning he either got stumped on sans or couldn't kill asgore. both making you mentioning either redundant)

FRA no

A full genocide route requires you to kill asgore, someone he's never killed as implied in the neutral run. meaning he never reached or never beat asgore even on a genocide route.

FRA no.

not a counter argument to the fact you mentioned at least one character he's confirmed to have never killed (asgore), and one that he absolutely does not affiliate with due to his power (sans)

Because it's not even an argument it's just "uh he reset because uh um aaaa idk I don't know anything beside fight".

 

[Armorchompy]

... You can't "FRA" something if you're the one making the argument.