Fist Of The North Star Revision Part 1 (P&A)

[Twellas]

I respectfully disagree with Souther's placing. He's not equal or that comparable to 100 Ken, if you go by Viz translation he says "I was no match for the Successor of Hokuto Shinken" not to mention base Ken adapted to him and was Blitzing him. I also don't understand how Souther is equal to Falco who's somehow just Souther Arc Ken?

Souther even before Ken discovered his secret concedes that Ken is superior to him. During Raoh gaiden, which is set even before Ken fought Raoh the first time, 30% Raoh is so much stronger than Souther that even a blocked punch is powerful enough to give Souther internal bleeding, same Raoh Ken would go on to pretty much match 1:1; it's true that Souther would have gotten stronger in the meantime, but it's consistently shown that Hokuto users outpace everyone else in terms of development, so it shouldn't matter. The reason why souther seems unphased by ken's blows is that ken doesn't put power in his pressure point strikes since he doesn't need to, we see that he's easily capable of showing his full hand inside Souther's chest if he wants to

Falco is just much stronger than Raoh, straight up, he was equal to Raoh during HNK1 and then he had 10 years of development on top of that.
This is why I say HNK2 should just be segregated from HNK1 in terms of scaling, even Solia should be eons stronger than Raoh realistically speaking

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Agreed, but who would even calc it?

Did someone say they needed something calced?

 

[Eseseso]

Did someone say they needed something calced?

@Twellas

 

[Twellas]

Did someone say they needed something calced?

basically a huge nuke goes off, not only does it have a huge fireball, but its shockwave also seemingly displaces an even larger amount of clouds all around it (I'm like 99% sure that the area of cloud dispersed is the circumference of the fireball plus this black ring all around it). You can probably get the size for both these things by pixel scaling to the size of the planet, since the view pans back to show the whole thing.
According to Watchframebyframe the whole dispersion takes 1.12 seconds to occur, but given that it's technically a shockwave that's doing it, I guess we could just use the speed of the typical nuke shockwave for the dispersion (which I don't know, but I'd guess it'd be around the speed of sound), I guess they could be 2 ends for the calc

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

basically a huge nuke goes off, not only does it have a huge fireball, but its shockwave also seemingly displaces an even larger amount of clouds all around it (I'm like 99% sure that the area of cloud dispersed is the circumference of the fireball plus this black ring all around it). You can probably get the size for both these things by pixel scaling to the size of the planet, since the view pans back to show the whole thing.
According to Watchframebyframe the whole dispersion takes 1.12 seconds to occur, but given that it's technically a shockwave that's doing it, I guess we could just use the speed of the typical nuke shockwave for the dispersion (which I don't know, but I'd guess it'd be around the speed of sound), I guess they could be 2 ends for the calc

The nuke itself doesn't look to impressive

However the shockwave looks like it'll yield something crazy

I should have it done by tomorrow evening or maybe tonight if I feel like it

 

[Antvasima]

Have you reached any new conclusions that need a stamp of approval here?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Have you reached any new conclusions that need a stamp of approval here?

They have yet. Still discussing the scalings.

I've been following ayy

 

[Twellas]

The nuke itself doesn't look to impressive

However the shockwave looks like it'll yield something crazy

I should have it done by tomorrow evening or maybe tonight if I feel like it

I mean, this feat has been calculated tons of times with a far smaller fireball and it was around Country level, that's the currently accepted calc off of which most of the verse scales

 

[Twellas]

I tried calculating the nukes from this scene a while ago (terrible calc really, but I think the pixel scaling is, while not perfect, indicative) and the fireball's radius came out as 965.3 kilometers

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I tried calculating the nukes from this scene a while ago (terrible calc really, but I think the pixel scaling is, while not perfect, indicative) and the fireball's radius came out as 965.3 kilometers

Those are different from the one shown in the scene you linked me

 

[Twellas]

it's the same scene, just a few seconds after the dispersion, it's when the fireballs reach their maximum size

 

[Twellas]

this is the one the movie zooms out of, but all the explosions seem to be of the same size so you can use whichever you want

 

[Eseseso]

The nuke itself doesn't look to impressive

However the shockwave looks like it'll yield something crazy

I should have it done by tomorrow evening or maybe tonight if I feel like it

Just give us a holler when you're done.

 

[Twellas]

if anyone can tell me how to calc the yield of the nuke off of the fireball size I can try and make the calc myself

 

[Eseseso]

Do you know if anyone can help you edit your Goten Sho calc?

 

[Twellas]

I asked some a friend of mine to ask some friends of his to help, haven't heard back

 

[Twellas]

I'm doing the calc, I did the pixel scaling and the cloud-dispersion came at 3322 kilometers and the fireball itself 1656 kilometers

 

[Eseseso]

I'm doing the calc, I did the pixel scaling and the cloud-dispersion came at 3322 kilometers and the fireball itself 1656 kilometers

That's huge.

Does the calc look promisingly high?

 

[Twellas]

As I said, I don't really know how to calc nuke yield from the fireball and I don't know how to approach the clouds (I think I'll just copy this calc for saitama and go with the usual 1.003 kg/m^3 and 20km as the height)

 

[Twellas]

ok, using those assumptions the volume of clouds moved is 1,73x10^17 m^3, which is 5 orders of magnitude bigger than the mass moved in my goten sho calc lmao, this seems like some serious wack or maybe I'm just making a mistake

 

[Twellas]

ok, I ran the numbers on just the shockwave: going with the aforementioned mass and the 1.12s timeframe you get... Moon Level. So i went and decided to use basically the length of the entire clip as a timeframe, since we see that the fireball expands slowly it's reasonable to assume that so would the shockwave's effect; using 10.14s as a timeframe the shockwave would still be Multi-Continental.
As I said, I could be making a mistake, so even tho I still don't know how to go about the nuke itself, I'll make a blog so that people can correct me

 

[Twellas]

Here it is. i'll obviously neaten everything up when I'm ready to make the actual calc. If someone could check for mistakes that'd be fantastic

 

[Eseseso]

Here it is. i'll obviously neaten everything up when I'm ready to make the actual calc. If someone could check for mistakes that'd be fantastic

554.493 petatons, JFC.

But are you sure they were 3300 km wide? They did not look like they were 1/4 as wide as the Earth.

 

[Matthew55]

554.493 petatons, JFC.

But are you sure they were 3300 km wide? They did not look like they were 1/4 as wide as the Earth.

That's some Anti matter bomb type energy.

 

[Eseseso]

I seriously question the size of the explosion, but if it's approved then Kenshiro's EoS 100% would be 2.535 ZETTATONS.

They weren't kidding when they said the strongest HNK users could destroy the world.

Edit: I was mistaken, I only looked at the explosion but not the shockwave.

Using a rule, it turns out that the shockwave itself is indeed about 1/4 of the Earth's diameter.

 

[Twellas]

I mean, Jagi is technically an Hokuto master who was eligible for successorship, so that statement would apply to him as well

 

[Eseseso]

I mean, Jagi is technically an Hokuto master who was eligible for successorship, so that statement would apply to him as well

True, but he of course only scales to the nuke.

 

[Twellas]

yeah

 

[Matthew55]

True, but he of course only scales to the nuke.

Should make him at least continental level as well as those above him.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I see you didn't wait for me

I finished my calc and got some crazy results

Fist of the North Star Nuke

vsbattles.fandom.com

TLDR: 82.462 Zettatons of tnt (5-B)

 

[Eseseso]

I see you didn't wait for me

I finished my calc and got some crazy results

Fist of the North Star Nuke

vsbattles.fandom.com

TLDR: 82.462 Zettatons of tnt (5-B)

WHAT THE ACTUAL-

I cannot believe that is 5-B.

82 zettatons is roughly 1.4x the Earth's GBE, yet dozens of those nukes going off at once doesn't destroy the world.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

WHAT THE ACTUAL-

I cannot believe that is 5-B.

82 zettatons is roughly 1.4x the Earth's GBE, yet dozens of those nukes going off at once doesn't destroy the world.

Yeah

I didnt say it's usable

But the math is correct

Just go with the 63 Teraton value I found

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah

I didnt say it's usable

But the math is correct

Just go with the 68 Teraton value I found

Twellas's 554 petaton calc seems fine.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Twellas's 554 petaton calc seems fine.

It uses an outdated method of finding cloud mass as well as assumes a longer timeframe to get a lower usable result

 

[Eseseso]

It uses an outdated method of finding cloud mass as well as assumes a longer timeframe to get a lower usable result

Damn.

Well, since there is absolutely no way in hell we can use your 5-B calc, would you mind helping @Twellas with redoing his Goten Sho calc?


And what's the link to your 62 teraton calc?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Damn.

Well, since there is absolutely no way in hell we can use your 5-B calc, would you mind helping @Twellas with redoing his Goten Sho calc?


And what's the link to your 62 teraton calc?

In the 5-B calc

 

[Eseseso]

In the 5-B calc

Thanks.

Sorry to ask again but would you be willing to help Twellas with his Goten Sho calc?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Thanks.

Sorry to ask again but would you be willing to help Twellas with his Goten Sho calc?

Show me it

 

[Eseseso]

Show me it

Raoh's Goten Sho, my remake

vsbattles.fandom.com

I just remember him saying he was asking for help with it here:

and why I've asked some people to help me tweak my Goten sho calc.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I saw the 5-B calc and was so confused for a moment. Doesn't make sense for it to be usable.