Fist Of The North Star Revision Part 1 (P&A)

[StrymULTRA]

Alright so I talked with @DontTalkDT, and he suggested Aspects 1 and 5.

Type 5 is based on lifeforce, by the way.

 

[Stefano4444]

So either Type 1 or 5? Muso Tensei never mention to affect soul so Type 5 its likely the case.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So either Type 1 or 5? Muso Tensei never mention to affect soul so Type 5 its likely the case.

Yeah, then idk exactly what to apply so eh.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alright, a justification can be this

Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 1, Aspect Type 5) & Incorporeality (Musō Tensei is made of the nothingness which predates life, and allows the user to achieve a state of said nothingness)

This is like the lamest NEP I've ever saw sadly.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Now that I think, wouldn't they have Type 5 Immortality when in Muso Tensei? Given that they're in a state which is neither alive nor dead.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Don't think Muso Tensei falls into the other Aspect categories aside from MAYBE Aspect 1.

Well you're technically correct. As we know Hokuto practitioners can attack souls, as we've seen in Souten no Ken. So if Kenshiro's soul could be attacked while in Musou Tensei, why Kaioh (a Hokuto practitioner) instead of using The most-powerful Hokuto Ryū Ken technique Anryu Tenha, not just punch his soul?. Why Raoh didn't just simply attacked his soul?. Because while in MT the user soul must be erased as well. So Aspect 1 should be valid as well as 5

 

[Silvervigilant]

Now that I think, wouldn't they have Type 5 Immortality when in Muso Tensei? Given that they're in a state which is neither alive nor dead.

Maybe yes, Ken (And mostly likely other Hokuto fighters) should also have Weapon Mastery (Is a master with Nunchucks, and knows how to use other weapons such as a sword, a staff and sticks. He's so good using Nunchucks that he can deflect knives with it .He's also excellent at throwing spears. Other Hokuto fighters such as Charles De Guise have show incredible use of firearms, Hokuto fighters can turn almost anything into a deadly weapon, even cutlery.

 

[Stefano4444]

Maybe yes, Ken (And mostly likely other Hokuto fighters) should also have Weapon Mastery

Should i put this in Standard Kenpo Abilities?

 

[Silvervigilant]

Should i put this in Standard Kenpo Abilities?

There alot of martial arts that use weapons but i don't know if applies to all of them, maybe we should put just under Hokuto at least for now.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well you're technically correct. As we know Hokuto practitioners can attack souls, as we've seen in Souten no Ken. So if Kenshiro's soul could be attacked while in Musou Tensei, why Kaioh (a Hokuto practitioner) instead of using The most-powerful Hokuto Ryū Ken technique Anryu Tenha, not just punch his soul?. Why Raoh didn't just simply attacked his soul?. Because while in MT the user soul must be erased as well. So Aspect 1 should be valid as well as 5

Well, that makes it better I suppose.

 

[Eseseso]

Not to be pushy, but can we please apply the P&A stuff so we can focus on AP again?

 

[Silvervigilant]

Keiraku Hiko should also have Status Effect Inducment (Hokuto users can make someone die if pre-set conditions are met, explode someone's body upon movement, lock the opponent's jaw permanently open, stop someone's breathing, make someone unable to stand, and immobilze one's legs.)

Hokuto Ryuken should have Instictive Reaction (Liu Zong-Wu's was stated to have a unconcious fist)

About Musou Tensei having Mental Nonexistence, when Kasumi used MT, Liu Zong-Wu stated that Kasumi was fighting with a blank mind. Don't know if that counts tho.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Bump

 

[Eseseso]

Not to be pushy, but can we please apply the P&A stuff so we can focus on AP again?

 

[Twellas]

When it comes to Musou Tensei, Raoh states that it renders every hokuto Shinken ability completely useless, to the point where him and Ken are forced to just have a slugfest with 0 techniques, we see in Regenesis that Hokuto has a technique that BFRs the opponent's soul (it's not a pressure point, so you can't say that MT's intangibility negates the technique by making contact impossible). Furthermore, it makes the user "impossible to locate", even average characters in terms of skill can locate the opponent via sensing his murderous intent, his bloodlust and fear, suggesting that MT removes even these abstract concepts.
Furthermore, an attack thrown while in MT is considered to be "impossible to predict" since it comes from a "blank mind", despite the fact that in HNK things like subconscious reflex is considered to be a fodder technique that's easily predicted and that the very person who considers MT to be impossible to see coming is stated to possess an "unconscious fist" suggesting that MT allows the user to use even less conscious thought than something that literally uses 0 conscious throught.

One of the guidebook describes MT as "愛を知り哀しみを知っ た者にしか到達しえな い無想の領域", "The realm of no-mind, which can only be attained by those who have known love and sorrow", this along with the Legends Revive statement about MT allowing the user to "enter the void between life and death" leads me to say that MT basically works like a jacked up Kamui from Naruto: the user's actual body goes to this "void/realm" (kinda like a poket dimension) and is erased on every possible level, down to the soul, conscious and unconscious mind, in the "original" universe/realm, leaving only an afterimage; the difference with Kamui is that the user can easily affect the "original" universe while in the "void" and also that there's no teleportation and the other stuff yadda yadda.
This idea is also supported by the movie, where whenever Raoh and Ken enter MT they are shown to disappear to Rin and Bat's eyes and enter this sort of... yellow? dimension

 

[Silvervigilant]

⁷When it comes to Musou Tensei, Raoh states that it renders every hokuto Shinken ability completely useless, to the point where him and Ken are forced to just have a slugfest with 0 techniques, we see in Regenesis that Hokuto has a technique that BFRs the opponent's soul (it's not a pressure point, so you can't say that MT's intangibility negates the technique by making contact impossible). Furthermore, it makes the user "impossible to locate", even average characters in terms of skill can locate the opponent via sensing his murderous intent, his bloodlust and fear, suggesting that MT removes even these abstract concepts.
Furthermore, an attack thrown while in MT is considered to be "impossible to predict" since it comes from a "blank mind", despite the fact that in HNK things like subconscious reflex is considered to be a fodder technique that's easily predicted and that the very person who considers MT to be impossible to see coming is stated to possess an "unconscious fist" suggesting that MT allows the user to use even less conscious thought than something that literally uses 0 conscious throught.

One of the guidebook describes MT as "愛を知り哀しみを知っ た者にしか到達しえな い無想の領域", "The realm of no-mind, which can only be attained by those who have known love and sorrow", this along with the Legends Revive statement about MT allowing the user to "enter the void between life and death" leads me to say that MT basically works like a jacked up Kamui from Naruto: the user's actual body goes to this "void/realm" (kinda like a poket dimension) and is erased on every possible level, down to the soul, conscious and unconscious mind, in the "original" universe/realm, leaving only an afterimage; the difference with Kamui is that the user can easily affect the "original" universe while in the "void" and also that there's no teleportation and the other stuff yadda yadda.
This idea is also supported by the movie, where whenever Raoh and Ken enter MT they are shown to disappear to Rin and Bat's eyes and enter this sort of... yellow? dimension

So this means that MT users should Have: Dimensional Travel, Nonexistent Physiology (Type 1, Aspect 1,3, and 5), Instictive Action, Duplication, Teleportation, and Immortality (Type 5).

Along with having Resistance to: Extrasensory Perception, Precognition and Existence Erasure. Damn what a broken technique.

 

[Stefano4444]

@Twellas Nice i add the new info about MT in the blog, i'm not that good when it come to wording so you're all welcome to improve my descriptions.

Anyway, i also think that at this point we can update Kenshiro's P&A, its not locked but i would rather wait to get the greenlight first.

 

[Twellas]

More ability showings: Ken’s aura causes an army of people to collapse

Raoh can envelope his body in Ki to become impervious to damage

Raoh nullifies ki attacks by screaming at them

The Hokuto successor is destined not to die, conversely, those who experience his wrath are fated to die in accordance to the fact that the Big Dipper (IE, Hokuto) “presides over the fate of all living beings” and “governs death”

 

[Eseseso]

Remember when this thread was about downgrading High 6-A Raoh?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Keiraku Hiko should also have Status Effect Inducment (Hokuto users can make someone die if pre-set conditions are met, explode someone's body upon movement, lock the opponent's jaw permanently open, stop someone's breathing, make someone unable to stand, and immobilze one's legs.)

Hokuto Ryuken should have Instictive Reaction (Liu Zong-Wu's was stated to have a unconcious fist)

@Stefano4444 Have these been added yet?

 

[Stefano4444]

@Stefano4444 Have these been added yet?

Yes

 

[Stefano4444]

The Hokuto successor is destined not to die, conversely, those who experience his wrath are fated to die in accordance to the fact that the Big Dipper (IE, Hokuto) “presides over the fate of all living beings” and “governs death”

So Death Manipulation, Fate Manipulation or both?

 

[Twellas]

Death Manipulation via Fate Manipulation

 

[Twellas]

@Twellas Nice i add the new info about MT in the blog, i'm not that good when it come to wording so you're all welcome to improve my descriptions.

Anyway, i also think that at this point we can update Kenshiro's P&A, its not locked but i would rather wait to get the greenlight first.

I tried to edit the blog to addo some stuff/change the wording but I can't

 

[Stefano4444]

I tried to edit the blog to addo some stuff/change the wording but I can't

Only the creator of the blogs can change the words, just write what i have to change and i will copy and paste later.

Or if you don't want to be depend of me then just make a copy of my blog where you can improve it directly, then we can go and use your if its aesthetically and grammatically better than my version.

 

[Stefano4444]

Death Manipulation via Fate Manipulation

Limited or fully?

 

[Twellas]

Limited or fully?

Don’t know, I don’t think it’s uo to me to decide

 

[Silvervigilant]

BTW @Twellas did you have the scans for:

Hokuto Sonkaken:
-Empowerment/Statistics Amplification:
-Vibration Manipulation:

Hokuto Sokaken:
-Selective Intangibility:

Kyokujuji Seiken:
-Likely Pressure Points:

Tento Seiken:
-Transmutation:
-Petrification:
-Immortality Type 2, 8:
-Forcefield Creation:
?

 

[Twellas]

Hokuto Sonkaken:
-Empowerment/Statistics Amplification:

Here

-Vibration Manipulation:

Here

Hokuto Sokaken:
-Selective Intangibility:

I think this, but it's weird ngl

Kyokujuji Seiken:
-Likely Pressure Points:

Kyokujuji Seiken is a branch of Hokuto Ryuken, which has pressure points

Tento Seiken:
-Transmutation:

I guessed that transforming people into monsters would classify as transmutation

-Petrification:

here and here

-Immortality Type 2, 8:

This is for type 8 (and 2, kinda), when they use Tento Haku Shinko their body will stay alive as long as their soul resides in it; even in base members of the Horeb clan can survive and regenerate from being shot in the head (so I guess it'd also be Type 3).

-Forcefield Creation:

Here and Here

Tento should also have genetic manipulation added to their biological manip, since Tento users can completely change a person's DNA strand in seconds

 

[Eseseso]

Btw, how do we know that EoS Kenshiro knows Hokuto Ryuken?

 

[Twellas]

because he saw it

 

[Silvervigilant]

Thanks @Twellas

 

[Eseseso]

because he saw it

So he automatically can use any martial art he's seen?

 

[Twellas]

yeah it's stated numerous times, it's already on Ken's profile

 

[Eseseso]

Let's just focus on the P&A stuff so we can go back to discussing AP.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Let's just focus on the P&A stuff so we can go back to discussing AP.

I think we're pretty much done with P&A by now.

 

[Eseseso]

I think we're pretty much done with P&A by now.

Is it all on Kenshiro's profile now?

 

[Silvervigilant]

Is it all on Kenshiro's profile now?

No, we stil need to edit the profiles.

 

[Matthew55]

BTW @Twellas did you have the scans for:

Hokuto Sonkaken:
-Empowerment/Statistics Amplification:
-Vibration Manipulation:

Hokuto Sokaken:
-Selective Intangibility:

Kyokujuji Seiken:
-Likely Pressure Points:

Tento Seiken:
-Transmutation:
-Petrification:
-Immortality Type 2, 8:
-Forcefield Creation:
?

Y'all forgot Phasing/ Intangibility for Tento:


Van was able to phase through the glass incubator without breaking it.

 

[Matthew55]

I'd also like to add Extracorporeal Manifestation by Simeon: