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wow,that is basically combat speed,because shinra fights with his feet all the time
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FIRE FORCE CRT (PART 5 of 5): MY NAME IS SHINRABANSHO MAN, AND I AM THE FASTEST MAN ALIVE
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you just said a bunch of nothingBut we don’t see all his movements because Shinra implies he moved more than what we saw.
If you really wanna be technical, Shinra twisted his whole body up and slammed his leg back down to perform the action too
Also what Haumea is saying is in reference to Shinra stopping and reversing time, not just him kicking. Again right after that Shinra stated things started to “topple over” at first when he was initially recreating civilization and so he had to “go back and forth a lot” to the point where he was visibly tired from performing so many supposed actions.
With that being the case it seems far more likely to me that Shinra moved his body a lot more than just simply kicking considering his visibly tired he was.
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Honestly, I am quite mixed. There are a lot of arguments on both sides and it's debatable which statements are literal and which ones are metaphorical.
Some people are arguing with method in which he stops or reverses time. KingTempest made mentions that physically moving at the speed of light is his method of stopping time while moving faster than light is his method of reversing time. If I am reading that correctly, that implies that he might not have actually stopped time but rather he physically moved so fast that time is perceived as frozen. And that reversing time is due to moving so fast, that time went backwards. That can interpret "Moving at the speed of light" as just moving at Infinite speeds while moving "Faster than Light" as moving Immeasurable speeds. However, that is one way to interpret it. But if physically moving fast and time seemingly being effected by it is the method, than moving at speed sounds more likely than the ability to manipulate time.
Now there is the other side that is arguing that the opposite is happening. That he has the ability to control time, and that's how he deals with opponents who attack at light speed and the statements that "He moved at light speed by stopping time and moved faster than light by reversing time" implies he cannot physically travel at those speeds but the hax powers allow him to seemingly go that fast.
I don't know the verse, so I will let others more familiar be the judge. But both sides sound like equal possibilities. It's one or the other, not both. Either he has really good time manipulation, or he is capable of moving at Immeasurable speeds. I just need to know which one is the cause, and which other is the effect. Does he "Seemingly" manipulate time by moving really fast, or does he "Seemingly" move very fast by bending time to his will? The answer to this question is the deciding factor on the debate.
Some people are arguing with method in which he stops or reverses time. KingTempest made mentions that physically moving at the speed of light is his method of stopping time while moving faster than light is his method of reversing time. If I am reading that correctly, that implies that he might not have actually stopped time but rather he physically moved so fast that time is perceived as frozen. And that reversing time is due to moving so fast, that time went backwards. That can interpret "Moving at the speed of light" as just moving at Infinite speeds while moving "Faster than Light" as moving Immeasurable speeds. However, that is one way to interpret it. But if physically moving fast and time seemingly being effected by it is the method, than moving at speed sounds more likely than the ability to manipulate time.
Now there is the other side that is arguing that the opposite is happening. That he has the ability to control time, and that's how he deals with opponents who attack at light speed and the statements that "He moved at light speed by stopping time and moved faster than light by reversing time" implies he cannot physically travel at those speeds but the hax powers allow him to seemingly go that fast.
I don't know the verse, so I will let others more familiar be the judge. But both sides sound like equal possibilities. It's one or the other, not both. Either he has really good time manipulation, or he is capable of moving at Immeasurable speeds. I just need to know which one is the cause, and which other is the effect. Does he "Seemingly" manipulate time by moving really fast, or does he "Seemingly" move very fast by bending time to his will? The answer to this question is the deciding factor on the debate.
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I would go with the former
Due to the fact that it has been stated many times that if Shinra stops time and reverses it by moving really fast.
The character who actually bends time to his will to move fast is Shinra's brother, named Sho.
Both Shinra and Sho can also interact during stopped time. Shinra is moving really fast while Sho is manipulating time to stop it.
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And since he has the power of both now, neither is out of the question
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I thought you dropped the Severed Universe agenda?
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Never said he couldn't use it, I said don't focus on me saying "it's severed universe" and focus on "rewinding time"
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Severed universe doesn't actually stop time. He's just slowing down the flow of time to the point it appears stopped.
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If yall wanna say that he doesn't just have free control over time then please remove this from his profile
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So... now do you believe in a possible rating?
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Shinra manipulates time by moving too fast.
It’s based on the theory of relativity where the faster an object moves, the slower time moves around it. And as you move faster than light, that’s when time turns back.
Sho is able to manipulate and stop time because he cools the expansion of the universe as time is directly proportional to the expansion of the universe.
Hope that helps clear for some things
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i didn’t even know it was there to begin with.
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So he can slow down and speed up the speed of the universe, adding on to the "jump back" portion of the time manip
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He can’t speed up the universe. He can only slow it down by cooling it down which in turn speeds Sho up because the universe in relation to him is moving much more slowly.
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It's kinda saying he can
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I wake up with this many every day, that's easy.
I am only but one man.
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I wake up with a lot more from different threads, theyre just all from a single thread and in 10 mins
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Yeah this is just referring to him stopping and slowing down time. It doesn’t say he ever speeds up time, just that if he was to make it hotter, it would increase the speed of expansion. But it never says he speeds up time and he never does it either. So it was probably just speculation on Licht about the laws of nature and what Sho could potentially do.
The visual for how he does it goes like this:
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Besides if Sho speeds up time he will appear slow as hell. Which obvi isn’t the case here.
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So we got two disagrees and one neutral
I am out of here then
I am out of here then
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Good
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The
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but logically,one is the obvios one
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I think we should just compramise with:
FTL, possibly Immeasurable (Shinra is able to move faster than the speed of light. Moving at these speeds allows him to traverse his body backwards in time and restore it to normal, he can also link the memories of the past to the present. Shinra's ability is also regard as transcending time).
Something along those lines.
Then for shinrabanshoman:
FTL, possibly immeasurable (Should be just as fast if not faster than before. Seemingly traversed time back and forth while creating civilisations, although it is possible for him to just co tinges freeze and rewind time instead)
FTL, possibly Immeasurable (Shinra is able to move faster than the speed of light. Moving at these speeds allows him to traverse his body backwards in time and restore it to normal, he can also link the memories of the past to the present. Shinra's ability is also regard as transcending time).
Something along those lines.
Then for shinrabanshoman:
FTL, possibly immeasurable (Should be just as fast if not faster than before. Seemingly traversed time back and forth while creating civilisations, although it is possible for him to just co tinges freeze and rewind time instead)
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no
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Hold on I’m waiting for a response from someone before I continue this discussion.
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Alright have a nice day sir
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I'm pretty sure we don't give immeasurable speed ratings with theory of relativity stuff moving at FTL speeds which makes them travel through time. I could be wrong though. This is pretty vague. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed?so=search#Further_Explanations
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Yes, FTL = time travel in FF.
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First of all this fictional theory of relativity should never equate to irl. This is obviously not how theory of relativity works.
Secondly, has Shinra actually had a vsbattle match here? What happens if he faces an FTL character? If Shinra goes SoL does this FTL characters move in stopped time without time stop resistance? And if they move do they reverse time like Shinra? I’m sure the answer is no so how do we index Shinra’s abilities properly if we know he manipulates time via sheer speed. DDM already says it will be Immeasurable if that’s the case but I’m waiting for one more person’s response before continuing this discussion.
Secondly, has Shinra actually had a vsbattle match here? What happens if he faces an FTL character? If Shinra goes SoL does this FTL characters move in stopped time without time stop resistance? And if they move do they reverse time like Shinra? I’m sure the answer is no so how do we index Shinra’s abilities properly if we know he manipulates time via sheer speed. DDM already says it will be Immeasurable if that’s the case but I’m waiting for one more person’s response before continuing this discussion.
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It would make speed equal matches unfair
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No.
Different verses and different physics keep different speeds and different perks from it
Just like how not every speedster would have hurricane generation
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yeah I know
But yeah it’s clear Shinra will still stops time and reverses it with his speed while his opponent of equalized speeds still won’t be able to keep up.
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Anyway let’s wait and not derail the thread
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