[FINALS] Venefica's Tier 7 Tourney: Leaf Girl vs Asuna

[VeneficaAuthor]

Original Tourney Thread
Tourney Bracket
Votes

Character	Key	Votes
Leaf Girl​	7-A key	0
Asuna	Adventure's Tournament Arc	4
Inconclusive		0

And here we are, the base tourney's technical final! Now, I say 'technical' becasue the winner of this match actually isn't done just yet! They will advance to Grand Finals! Once there, either Asuna or leaf Girl shall await the winner of Loser's Grand Finals. The loser of this match will automatically be placed in Loser's Grand Finals.

As always, 40 meters starting distance with equal speed.

Both at 7-A.

Good luck, have fun, and no BS.

 

[Javenplayz253]

We got a battle of the females? Sign me up!

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Leaf Girl has a 44,000 to 44x LS advantage, which gets higher with TK, which she opens with. I don't think Asuna can even move.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

We got a battle of the females? Sign me up!

Bro this is you.

 

[Javenplayz253]

Bro this is you.

I WORDED THAT WRONGLY

 

[Javenplayz253]

Bro this is you.

Also this is me thank you very much.

 

[Rayfire]

Leaf Girl has a 44,000 to 44x LS advantage, which gets higher with TK, which she opens with. I don't think Asuna can even move.

Well, hold on, that’s not to say Asuna is completely screwed right away. Just because she can’t move (Or she can if that Class E calc i mentioned in Asuna vs Cobalt is allowed to be added Venefica?) doesn’t mean her mind can’t, which is mainly how she uses magic/skills to begin with. If leaf girl is pressing her against a wall with TK, Asuna can use this to use any force pressed on her to her advantage, AKA, pushing her right into this to escape:

• Riftway Creation: A Self-made skill, which allows Asuna to open portals leading to nearby locations, allowing her to travel faster and outmanoeuvre opponents with ease.

^ Which could also be helpful with simply allowing any attacks leaf girl throws at her straight through a riftway and back to her, which she wouldn’t see coming given Asuna’s versatile kit. Could leaf girl resist her own durability negation?

 

[Rayfire]

I also don’t find it far-fetched that Asuna could simply use her other skills out of her mouth, like goku did once according to this (lol) which would also help her further in deflecting any pesky danmaku or dura neg attacks with her own.

 

[Javenplayz253]

I also don’t find it far-fetched that Asuna could simply use her other skills out of her mouth, like goku did once according to this (lol) which would also help her further in deflecting any pesky danmaku or dura neg attacks with her own.

(Ew)

 

[Rayfire]

(Ew)

()

 

[Javenplayz253]

()

 

[Froggytron]

Following (ganbare Leo, ganbare)

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Leaf Girl​

Pure Form Mastery

Wtf

Well, hold on, that’s not to say Asuna is completely screwed right away. Just because she can’t move (Or she can if that Class E calc i mentioned in Asuna vs Cobalt is allowed to be added Venefica?)

We did Minty scaling so I think it's fine.

doesn’t mean her mind can’t, which is mainly how she uses magic/skills to begin with. If leaf girl is pressing her against a wall with TK

She hasn't ever done that in canon. She mostly just holds them in place or tries to crush them. The former could work because LG Samsung only needs to support Asuna's weight but the latter no.

Could leaf girl resist her own durability negation?

No. If it's reflected at her, she will feel the effects.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Wtf

Gimme a break

 

[Javenplayz253]

Gimme a break

Let me win against a Magistream magic user and then we'll talk.

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Gimme a break

Nah Leaf Girl is the Supreme Duelist now.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Let me win against a Magistream magic user and then we'll talk.

I thought you didn’t want them anymore?

 

[Javenplayz253]

I thought you didn’t want them anymore?

Nah Divine destiny is what I truly need to open my heart and prove that I'm alright to these witches!

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Nah Divine destiny is what I truly need to open my heart and prove that I'm alright to these witches!

We’ll see if they hold a candle to the new witch physiology

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Nah Divine destiny is what I truly need to open my heart and prove that I'm alright to these witches!

Don't forget to live and learn.

 

[Javenplayz253]

We’ll see if they hold a candle to the new witch physiology

Gwehehe

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Gwehehe

OLH Cosmic Entity Physiology solos both.

 

[Javenplayz253]

OLH Cosmic Entity Physiology solos both.

Your not ready for 100D Divine Destiny (It's true I thought it was funny when I was younger)

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

OLH Cosmic Entity Physiology solos both.

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see

 

[Rayfire]

We did Minty scaling so I think it's fine.

Oh, Fr? Alright. I’ll probably add this to Asuna (and haruka’s) profile, but here’s the calc.

She hasn't ever done that in canon. She mostly just holds them in place or tries to crush them. The former could work because LG Samsung only needs to support Asuna's weight but the latter no.

I see. Even so, that won’t stop Asuna from redirecting leaf girls’ attacks with Riftways even if the TK somehow works and stops her from physically moving at all despite the LS difference (Class E > Class T since this is leaf girls’ 7-A key) And even then, Asuna has plenty of options to do the same thing, if not better:

• Air Manipulation & Telekenesis (Asuna learned air magic in the endless library, which she uses to replicate Telekenesis initially.)

^ (More of a pseudo-telekinesis in this case)

• Gravity Manipulation, Pressure Manipulation, Limited Existence Erasure, &Space-Time Manipulation (Type 1, Via Gravity Magic. Copied from Chidori in the endless library. Using skills such as “Mirrored Spacetime” Asuna can flip gravity around, confusing and taking opponents off-guard. Additionally, it was stated by Shizu that she used it to crush a book into thin air by focusing a massive amount of Spacetime onto it, due to the fundamentals on how Gravity Magic normally works.)

Basically, Asuna can also keep leaf girl in place, or even crush her altogether if she really wanted to, which would bypass the main point of leaf girls’ TK, which is putting opponents in a position where they physically can’t do anything in response. So while Asuna couldn’t dodge, block, or move around, she still has plenty of other options of fighting, since Magic is mostly a mind-based thing. Staffs for example just give Asuna swag points and also slightly better aim, like a sight on a gun.

(Dunno if venefica himself approves of the LS change, so I’m responding to this assuming that Asuna is still inferior in terms of LS, lol)

 

[Javenplayz253]

(Dunno if venefica himself approves of the LS change, so I’m responding to this assuming that Asuna is still inferior in terms of LS, lol)

(I still can't believe after all this time Vene's a boy )

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Oh, Fr? Alright. I’ll probably add this to Asuna (and haruka’s) profile, but here’s the calc.

Now wait just a minute, we can calc characters LS based on whether or not their own attacks force them backwards? Wouldn’t this make almost all V. Verse minimum Class E in that case? My characters don’t really get forced back by their own force either

As for allowing it, it’s a bit iffy since she didn’t have it when I allowed her into the tourney but it was also made before this match. What do others think is fair?

(I still can't believe after all this time Vene's a boy )

(Tbh I thought it was hilarious, you calling me female so I let it continue for a while)

 

[MintyBoi1]

We did Minty scaling so I think it's fine.

I mean Black Star’s Class E is different since it’s just downscaling using the unknown and the fact of Maka being somewhat close to but below him, but if Venefica allows it I don’t mind the sudden Class E ig.

Nah Leaf Girl is the Supreme Duelist now.

This timeline is crazy

 

[MintyBoi1]

Now wait just a minute, we can calc characters LS based on whether or not their own attacks force them backwards? Wouldn’t this make almost all V. Verse minimum Class E in that case? My characters don’t really get forced back by their own force either

As for allowing it, it’s a bit iffy since she didn’t have it when I allowed her into the tourney but it was also made before this match. What do others think is fair?

(Tbh I thought it was hilarious, you calling me female so I let it continue for a while)

It does sound like a Light in Fiction argument where it’s usually just suspension of disbelief unless shown otherwise. Like you need evidence for light to actually be SOL, wouldn’t you need an example of people not being able to take recoil to really prove people casting spells is that impressive LS wise?

Female is such a weird term to use when referring to a person

 

[Rayfire]

Now wait just a minute, we can calc characters LS based on whether or not their own attacks force them backwards? Wouldn’t this make almost all V. Verse minimum Class E in that case? My characters don’t really get forced back by their own force either

Well, there aren’t really any other reliable LS feats in the Web novels currently, so I’m just going off what’s there to use mostly. Not many other choices

As for allowing it, it’s a bit iffy since she didn’t have it when I allowed her into the tourney but it was also made before this match. What do others think is fair?

Leo and now minty seem to think it’d be fine, and so do I seeing as it isn’t anything ‘substantial’ like a bunch of new abilities

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Female is such a weird term to use when referring to a person

I believe that the act of addressing individuals of the female gender as "females" is not only socially acceptable but also reasonable and appropriate in many circumstances. In the absence of any context or prior knowledge of a particular person's identity, it is simply a straightforward and objective way to refer to them. This practice should not be considered derogatory or demeaning in any way, as it is simply a biological classification. While there may be cases where the use of this term is inappropriate or offensive, I believe that such instances are relatively rare and do not negate the validity of its general usage.

 

[Javenplayz253]

Leo and now minty seem to think it’d be fine, and so do I seeing as it isn’t anything ‘substantial’ like a bunch of new abilities

I don't

 

[Rayfire]

^^^ I do have a feeling venefica won’t approve tho, so that’s why my last response was going under the assumption Asuna’s LS is still inferior just in case

Probably Gonna be on and off a lot today as well, mb

 

[Rayfire]

^^^ Oh, and I should also mention that Asuna doesn’t get pushed back by her own explosions (She used them for pseudo-flight before the current arc) unless she allowed them to, so there’s that.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Leo and now minty seem to think it’d be fine, and so do I seeing as it isn’t anything ‘substantial’ like a bunch of new abilities

There’s another aspect though. Normally with LS being Class E, while super impressive, could be restricted only to hand to hand based on how they work, but with Asuna can’t she just use gravity magic as an instant win on anyone not Class E/those not with a gravity or TK resistance?

 

[MintyBoi1]

I believe that the act of addressing individuals of the female gender as "females" is not only socially acceptable but also reasonable and appropriate in many circumstances. In the absence of any context or prior knowledge of a particular person's identity, it is simply a straightforward and objective way to refer to them. This practice should not be considered derogatory or demeaning in any way, as it is simply a biological classification. While there may be cases where the use of this term is inappropriate or offensive, I believe that such instances are relatively rare and do not negate the validity of its general usage.

Ok but imagine people being called males and females in casual conversation, just seems a bit incelish. That’s usually how it’s used. Using biological terms to refer to a person seems creepy at worst and just weird at best given some people using the words like that are pretty derogatory. It might be different in text but irl it’s just crazy.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Ok but imagine people being called males and females in casual conversation, just seems a bit incelish. That’s usually how it’s used.

Are you accusing me of something?

 

[Javenplayz253]

Ok but imagine people being called males and females in casual conversation, just seems a bit incelish. That’s usually how it’s used.

Don't attack me for this but unless they state their Genders I usually call them the gender I think by what they do.
Edit: Pls don't start a war.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Are you accusing me of something?

Just saying it’s weird, wasn’t it Javen anyway?

 

[Javenplayz253]

Just saying it’s weird, wasn’t it Javen anyway?

Ye sorry.